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Once, just once, I'd like to see an example of someone experiencing cognitive dissonance and reacting to and dealing with it in a reasonable mature way. It's undoubtedly confirmation bias because all I read are these types of threads, but it just seems like everyone just goes crazy from it. No wonder it's been so effectively weaponised by bad-faith actors.
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So what aren't you getting? Do you think every leftist tendency is precisely placed on the single dimension of "more left"? You don't think there's say, also a dimension of state versus no state, ownership by all of society versus ownership by local workers, those who are inclined to lash out with violence as often as possible to enforce their goals versus those who seek other means first? And the same sort of things crop up on all points of the description of a room in France 200+ years ago - indeed the pro-monarchy left ain't exactly influential for nearly as long ago as that was even though pro-strong-central-leader-but-he's-totally-not-a-monarch tendencies are still quite strong.
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Sep 17, 2018 18:20
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Literally: "Extremists are actually more nuanced than you think" followed immediately by "All centrists are racist shills for the status quo!" Y'all need some philosophy, as your sophistry is leaking all over the floor.
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Sep 17, 2018 18:32
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Like there's one person in this idiotic argument that wouldn't be executed by the Khmer Rouge for their right wing beliefs. "But I make fun of lanyaaardsssss!" as they beat your bourgeois skulls in with a shovel. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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1337JiveTurkey posted:Like there's one person in this idiotic argument that wouldn't be executed by the Khmer Rouge for their right wing beliefs. "But I make fun of lanyaaardsssss!" as they beat your bourgeois skulls in with a shovel. your masturbatory fanfiction is your own business, imo
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Sep 17, 2018 19:02
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Leftist hatred of Hillary is kind of fascinating in that even though some of the reasons they have for disliking her is totally valid, it also ends up being an example of progressives buying into the RW propaganda narrative about something.
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Sep 17, 2018 19:08
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Cactus posted:Once, just once, I'd like to see an example of someone experiencing cognitive dissonance and reacting to and dealing with it in a reasonable mature way. i came around to reality a few years after i left my parents house, but i was a piece of poo poo til then its not stupidity per se. you cultivate the unconscious ability to turn off your brain to ignore evidence against the worldview youve invested yourself in. its easier in the moment every time to stand firm in your wrongness than it is to let go of your erroneous ideas. you might lose a lot of arguments but you just dont admit you were owned. it doesnt quite feel right but if you dont have to do it too often you can deal w it. if you have to deal w it a lot you get real distressed and either go crazier or come around to the truth bit by bit. its a gradual process. one day abortion is murder, another day you learn the realities of pregnancy-related health risks, another youre brought to understand what being forced to keep and raise a kid really entails, another day you find out abortion numbers dont change, just the safety of women. and then you realize your most optimistic read of the universe is that god is fake, nothing is real, nobody has a soul anyway and decide that its perfectly fine morally and ethically to terminate humans before they finish booting up. its better then it is to play out a lovely disadvantaged life while seriously loving w moms dreams or be the anchor drowning two people in a terrible marriage or so on. untold quadrillions (im probably underestimating magnitude) of potential human beings are ended before they ever begin by blind chance, theres nobody there yet to wrong
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We must ignore valid reasons to decide that HRC is a terrible politician, lest we appear to be influenced by RW propaganda. Sounds reasonable and mature!
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Sep 17, 2018 19:10
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Tollymain posted:then you realize your most optimistic read of the universe is that god is fake, nothing is real, nobody has a soul anyway and decide that its perfectly fine morally and ethically to terminate humans before they finish booting up. Sad to see someone succumbing to nihilism the moment they reject christianity.
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Sep 17, 2018 19:15
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fishmech posted:So what aren't you getting? Do you think every leftist tendency is precisely placed on the single dimension of "more left"? You don't think there's say, also a dimension of state versus no state, ownership by all of society versus ownership by local workers, those who are inclined to lash out with violence as often as possible to enforce their goals versus those who seek other means first? And the same sort of things crop up on all points of the description of a room in France 200+ years ago - indeed the pro-monarchy left ain't exactly influential for nearly as long ago as that was even though pro-strong-central-leader-but-he's-totally-not-a-monarch tendencies are still quite strong. Man, you'll do it regardless of what other people even say. Remarkable.
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Zerilan posted:Leftist hatred of Hillary is kind of fascinating in that even though some of the reasons they have for disliking her is totally valid, it also ends up being an example of progressives buying into the RW propaganda narrative about something. hillary is like all "centrist" democrats, a corporatist that happens to have something resembling a conscience. far better than republicans, who range from corporatists w/o consciences to hatred golems,. but if shed won wed still be sleepwalking into authoritarianism. i dont like her but im proud i voted for her because she was the best chance after she took the primary. i think im p leftist, but its also a matter of how much you think about this poo poo (there is no center and horseshoe theory is bullshit. in the real world where peoples ideal positions fall is either among of a whole mess of mostly unknowing leftists, a much smaller group of hardline right wing assholes, and people who benefit from corporatism because theyre rich (has some crossover w right wingers))
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Sad to see someone succumbing to nihilism the moment they reject christianity. bitch its the best thing that ever happened to me. nothing fuckin matters, so i get to decide what matters to me
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Sep 17, 2018 19:23
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pop fly to McGillicutty posted:Man, you'll do it regardless of what other people even say. Remarkable. Sorry you're mad about leftism existing?
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Sep 17, 2018 19:24
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fishmech posted:Sorry you're mad about leftism existing? Nothing even close to what I said.
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Sep 17, 2018 19:25
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fishmech please be tiresome somewhere else
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Sep 17, 2018 19:26
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can we not make literally every d&d thread about hillary clinton jesus christ it's like a trump family reunion in here unless its about how she's removing children's organs to be ground into meat to be served in the pentagon courtyard cafeteria its probably not on topic of the #qanon thread
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E::; nvm
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Sep 17, 2018 19:27
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centrism (again, corporatism) is when you vote for your big donors to have more money people only think its centrist because both parties do it
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Sep 17, 2018 19:28
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somebody go get us some of the high-octane stuff, im getting irritable w/o my fix
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Sep 17, 2018 19:30
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Tollymain posted:centrism (again, corporatism) is when you vote for your big donors to have more money Corporatism has nothing to with "big donors", please take a remedial politics class.
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the big donors are the people who own the corps by stock and boardroom e: wait poo poo im responding to fuckin fishmech. go away, you bore
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Sep 17, 2018 19:52
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im probably using the wrong word but its not like most people use the word corporatist properly or indeed at all anyway and im high and the basic message is clear (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Sep 17, 2018 19:54
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Hey, could ya'll kindly shut the gently caress up about Hillary and leftist alignment and post some insane loving chuds to laugh at in the thread solely devoted to laughing at insane loving chuds? Tia.
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Sep 17, 2018 20:10
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im a fragile being that cannot enter places saturated w hate so uh somebody else do it
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Tollymain posted:the big donors are the people who own the corps by stock and boardroom Corporatism is when your government is like "the clergy get to vote for this group, the workers in factories vote for this group, etc". Like literally dividing up the population and government on the basis of these putative interest groups (and incidentally locking in certain ratios of power) and that's how things go from then on. It's got antecedents going way back into like Ancient Greece, and a lot of regimes in the medieval and early modern periods effectively operated as one - think of how there were all sorts of little privileges and representation like the Estates under the ancien regime - but it largely developed post 1848 as an alternative to ongoing liberal capitalism, monarchies, and actual socialisms. The Catholic Church would particularly pick it up and push it cuz it saw the concept as a great way to anchor the Church while attempting to change class conflict into class harmony via shared power. Eventually a lot of other philosophies brought in concepts from it during the 20th century, with fascists particularly liking to deploy its rhetoric. For instance Mussolini had the lower house of the original Parliament of the Kingdom of Italy dissolved and replaced by a "Chamber of Fasci and Corporations" which by coincidence was all Fascist candidates who won. Clearly the voices of both the cheesemaker and the steel industry cried out for Mussolini right? The broad extent of political power the unions of northern social democratic Europe still hold is part of another thread of corporatist thought with governance nominally divided up in part with the unions and the alliances of businesses in association with the regular government (this part of the reasons many countries didn't have official national minimum wages as those were supposed to be handled by each industry under labor agreements). Basically corporatism is behind a whole bunch of modern political thought even though proposals to go the whole way again ain't popular anymore. You will see a lot of proposal for actual corporatist divvying up of government/power among a lot of conspiracy types including the qanon crowd. People in modern times who are angry about separation of church and state or "want prayer back in schools" for instance, they absolutely want churches to be given legal political power, and of course its got to be the right kind of churches. They think they should have guaranteed rights to be heard because those "urbans" get to have all the power - they want to build a "rural" aka white block of reserved power no one can take away etc. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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Sep 17, 2018 20:24
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Lol the Q thread
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Sep 17, 2018 20:45
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Will someone go on goddamn voat already so we can end this goddamn derail?
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Sep 17, 2018 20:55
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fishmech posted:I support Q Seriously, stop.
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Fulchrum posted:Will someone go on goddamn voat already so we can end this goddamn derail? Honestly it's calmed down over there for the most part. It's quite back to "normal" in fact. Don't read all of this at one sitting, it won't be good for your health. Just pick a paragraph. Most of the later ones are really good representative samples. 
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Sep 17, 2018 21:15
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So have they won a victory over themselves, or is there still bickering?
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McGlockenshire posted:Honestly it's calmed down over there for the most part. It's quite back to "normal" in fact. Don't read all of this at one sitting, it won't be good for your health. Just pick a paragraph. Most of the later ones are really good representative samples. I stopped at "as you can see..."
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Well, part of it was validated at least--Trump IS going to release Nunes memos this week. Not sure how telegraphed that was but no doubt they'll see it as cementing the infallibility of Q.
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Sep 17, 2018 22:48
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Hasn't that been set in stone for months?
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OAquinas posted:Well, part of it was validated at least--Trump IS going to release Nunes memos this week. The fake memos to lure (((The Deep State))) to their executions only to be replaced with body doubles.
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OAquinas posted:Well, part of it was validated at least--Trump IS going to release Nunes memos this week. Nunes memos are literally worthless. Who gives a poo poo what Nunes draws on a napkin about the Deep State when he not even bothering to read the drat information and is supposed to be doing his job? Like, he's not even good at political ratfucking, but he attempts it constantly. Devin Nunes is such a waste of oxygen in Congress, and I hope someone destroys him in this election to puts an end to this colossal moron's waste of absolutely everyone's time.
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SerialBrain2 posted:Quick reminder: the filename of the picture in Q2095 is ppphhaarrrttt. The ordinal gematria is ppphhaarrrttt=212 Love this guy
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BiggerBoat posted:I stopped at "as you can see..." Just read the whole thing as this guy 
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fishmech posted:(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) I get that this was a dumb fishmech derail, but he did actually do a decent pedantic explanation that covers one of my pet peeves.
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Illuminti posted:Love this guy Is SerialBrain2 a bot that was created to interpret Q posts? It all seems so stilted and jarring
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