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MikeJF posted:We apologise for the inconvenience, but the twelve thirty seven to Mars has been delayed and is now departing in twenty-three minutes. This is the final boarding call for Honourable Warplines flight 347 to Q'onoS. A reminder that you must check all disruptors at the gate and stow your bat'leth in the overhead compartment.
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The_Doctor posted:Aww dammit, I’ve loved seeing the updates. What are they banning them for? They’re not selling anything. Ugh. poo poo like this is why the world seriously needs to revisit it's copyright and trademark laws. Many things like this are done to avoid a 'precedent' set in law terms that would mean they lose the intellectual property rights for a failure to defen it. Something to that effect - I'm no lawyer. Though don't CBS officially let fans make fan-films or something as long as there is certain conditions? I'd consider this the same thing. I seriously doubt CBS would ever release a product with such slavish devotion to details like Stage 9. It'd never make financial sense for them to do so. They should treat it as free publicity.
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Sep 17, 2018 11:34
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1000 Brown M and Ms posted:40,000km actually, but still that's only a bit more than 10% of the way to the moon, let alone Mars. Of course, JJ Trek had interstellar transporters so who knows. The 40k number is from the TNG Tech Manual, right? I wonder if that was referring to the tech in general or the Galaxy class version of the transporters specifically. Maybe those are like the transporter equivalent of the gangplanks on a modern boat and planetary transporters can easily reach the Moon point-to-point or nearby planets with relays/transfers.
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Sep 17, 2018 12:25
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There’s no mention of ‘commercial’ passenger transports, are there? Everyone is always booking passage on some freighter or starship to get somewhere they need to be, which is fine for individuals or small groups, but not en masse. The only thing like it I can think of is the shuttle service that runs between DS9 and Bajor. But I have to imagine there’s dedicated ships ferrying people between, say, Earth and Vulcan or what have you.
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Sep 17, 2018 12:53
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Jellico mentions being a shuttle pilot for the "Jovian Run" along with Geordie, which certainly sounded like a regular ferry service of some sort.
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Sep 17, 2018 12:58
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The_Doctor posted:There’s no mention of ‘commercial’ passenger transports, are there? Everyone is always booking passage on some freighter or starship to get somewhere they need to be, which is fine for individuals or small groups, but not en masse. There are commercial cargo transports. I think Kasidy Yates even had a passenger once.
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The_Doctor posted:There’s no mention of ‘commercial’ passenger transports, are there? Everyone is always booking passage on some freighter or starship to get somewhere they need to be, which is fine for individuals or small groups, but not en masse. I don’t know about that. Vulcans are secretive, xenophobic, even downright racist. They don’t care very much about humans by and large, guys like Sarek and Spock are huge outliers. At one point they apparently had their own segregated Starfleet ships. A highly educated human professional like Kirk has never even heard of their marriage customs what, like 200 years after first contact? They aren’t big on outsiders and it’s not clear to me that their elite would have any interest in a bunch of human tourists or mercantile connections. In fact, humanity is generally portrayed as somewhat exceptional even within the Federation for its willingness to live with alien species. The Andorians are more incredibly secretive assholes, the Tellarites are just assholes. Even then though, there’s no indication that there’s large numbers of aliens living on Earth. Trek operates on a kind of alarming logic where it’s one sentient species (hopefully with a single culture and government) to a planet and if there’s more, that’s probably some kind of problem.
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Sep 17, 2018 13:05
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Colony worlds tend to have a bunch of different species on them - off the top of my head, the Scottish colony in everyone's favorite TNG episode had an alien as governor despite being human-founded. I imagine homeworlds tend to be overwhelmingly one species, just because there's already a few billion humans/Vulcans/whatever there when they develop spaceflight, it's going to be a very long time before immigration has a noticeable effect.
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Sep 17, 2018 13:18
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I want to say that one of Bashir's father's jobs was as a flight attendant on a passenger transport but I could be mixing it up. Also IIRC Earth has quite a few different species living on it, I vaguely recall Harry mentioning it to Seven when they thought they found a wormhole home but it was some space monster instead. I assume it's because Earth is both the capital world of the Federation and Starfleet.
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Sep 17, 2018 13:58
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TOS and early TNG have taught us that half of the colonies starships visit are run by crazed scientists with hot wives
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Sep 17, 2018 14:08
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The_Doctor posted:There’s no mention of ‘commercial’ passenger transports, are there? Everyone is always booking passage on some freighter or starship to get somewhere they need to be, which is fine for individuals or small groups, but not en masse. Yeah but we never really see the civilian side of the Federation. DS9 sure, but Bajor's not part of the Federation. I imagine that it's a bit ad hoc for places outside or new colony worlds, but there's probably a regular service from Earth to Vulcan.
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Sep 17, 2018 14:16
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Kinda thankful we don't see a lot more civilian life in Star Trek. Knowing this franchise, for every good character like a Kassidy Yates or Bashir's parents, we'd get like five Outrageous Okonae.
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Drone posted:Kinda thankful we don't see a lot more civilian life in Star Trek. Knowing this franchise, for every good character like a Kassidy Yates or Bashir's parents, we'd get like five Outrageous Okonae. Plus it'll just all be that thing they do half the time where they can't be bothered to actually think about how life might be different and it's just basic 20th century life with some new words despite it not making any sense.
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Sep 17, 2018 15:39
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Drone posted:Kinda thankful we don't see a lot more civilian life in Star Trek. Knowing this franchise, for every good character like a Kassidy Yates or Bashir's parents, we'd get like five Outrageous Okonae. Civilians in the Federation tend to be really loving insufferable, like Picard's brother or something, so maybe we don't see them because then when colonies got attacked by death worms or whatever too much of the audience would be like "freakin good, you fucks" Especially if they were there to "grow crops" on Death Worm Planet to "give their lives meaning".
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Sep 17, 2018 15:42
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Pick posted:Civilians in the Federation tend to be really loving insufferable, like Picard's brother or something, so maybe we don't see them because then when colonies got attacked by death worms or whatever too much of the audience would be like "freakin good, you fucks"
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Sep 17, 2018 15:46
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It's also why I hate the episode "Paradise". Suffering's not that cool irl you stupid writers!!
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Sep 17, 2018 15:49
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Pick posted:It's also why I hate the episode "Paradise". Suffering's not that cool irl you stupid writers!! You can't deny there are millions of people the world over who fall for "suffering is a virtue" and subscribe to religions that teach this as dogma. Some of them cults, some only a couple steps above
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Al Borland Korn posted:You can't deny there are millions of people the world over who fall for "suffering is a virtue" and subscribe to religions that teach this as dogma. Some of them cults, some only a couple steps above I wouldn't mind if some people stayed but whoever had been in the box most recently should have been like "NO MORE BOX!!!"
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Sep 17, 2018 16:12
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All of those Maquis civilians from the DS9 two-parter were insufferable
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Sep 17, 2018 16:26
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Its not just the civilians. Everyone in the fed is insufferable. You just get used to the main cast after a while and their idiotic habits and idiosyncrasies are shown in best light wheras the guest stars are portrayed as villains and obstructionists at best.
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Nessus posted:If the traffic would bear it you could have some kind of big ol' barge that collects people from Earth who beam up for fifteen minutes, then goes to Mars at impulse or low warp, parks for fifteen minutes, and makes the trip back. The only downside is buried in the fine print of the terms and conditions: in case of emergency, these ferries (passengers and all) are pressed into duty as the "Mars Defense Perimeter": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwxdT5Dqr_A
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skasion posted:Trek operates on a kind of alarming logic where it’s one sentient species (hopefully with a single culture and government) to a planet and if there’s more, that’s probably some kind of problem. Isn't part of it that the various Star Trek species are just really physically and socially different. Like, there's nothing keeping you from moving to Vulcan, but you better like living in the desert with a bunch of vegetarian ascetics who think smiling is a sign of barbarism. You can move to Andoria but you better enjoy living g someplace where it never gets above freezing and in a militaristic clan based honor culture that participates in ritual duels. Not to mention the fact that different species have different metabolic requirements and different medical needs. On TOS, for instance, there was Dr. M'Benga, who was a specialist in Vulcan medicine who would treat Spock. Is a hospital on, say, Vulcan, going to have doctors with the training to treat humans? Some do, no doubt, but it's still going to be less likely than on Earth. We know that the various species of the Federation can, for the most part, eat each other's food, but I'd be surprised if their nutritional needs were identical. And while things like replicators make that less an issue, it's still a consideration. So I think it's not that there's much formal restrictions on internal migration within the Federation. It's more that, since the core Federation worlds are utopian, the main reason someone is going to move to an alien world is because that person is in love with that world's culture.
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Nah it’s like if there’s more than one species on a planet they’re usually at waaarrrr
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Sep 17, 2018 18:51
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Just move to Denobula, home to every ethically-grey polyamorous pufferfish doctor in the galaxy
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Sep 17, 2018 18:54
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I need to move to Bolius to finally get the robust plumbing I need.
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Epicurius posted:Isn't part of it that the various Star Trek species are just really physically and socially different. Like, there's nothing keeping you from moving to Vulcan, but you better like living in the desert with a bunch of vegetarian ascetics who think smiling is a sign of barbarism. On the other hand, Vulcan is the center of scientific research in the Federation, and in the EU Andoria has the most prestigious institute of the fine arts in the Federation while Tellar Prime has the largest and busiest shipyards in the Alpha Quadrant. If nothing else for things like medical care, there's probably a Starfleet station somewhere on every colony of note with a trained medical staff. And certainly there'd be an extensive Starfleet presence in the Federation's core worlds.
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Sep 17, 2018 22:08
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I just had this job come through in an email from LinkedIn:
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The_Doctor posted:I just had this job come through in an email from LinkedIn: Well what the hell are you waiting for? Apply, already! You'll get to work with the likes of Gul Dukat, Weyoun and the Breen Confederacy! Let us know how it goes.
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The_Doctor posted:I just had this job come through in an email from LinkedIn: You should feel honored to have received the opportunity to fetch coffee for a god! / 
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Sep 17, 2018 22:38
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Duties: - descum the Link pond - smarm - genetically replicable amounts of loyalty
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Sep 17, 2018 22:52
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I need to brush up on my walking backwards out of a room while bowing.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Duties: - eats pizza with chopsticks
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Epicurius posted:Not to mention the fact that different species have different metabolic requirements and different medical needs. On TOS, for instance, there was Dr. M'Benga, who was a specialist in Vulcan medicine who would treat Spock. Is a hospital on, say, Vulcan, going to have doctors with the training to treat humans? Some do, no doubt, but it's still going to be less likely than on Earth. Even if you're a Tholian on Earth who lives in Port Moresby and the only Tholian-trained doctor lives in Madrid it doesn't matter because you've got transporters. Planet side distances are meaningless, it's like in the book "The Stars My Destination" - when you can teleport you can have anything anywhere with no problems. Also if the transporter is only 40,000KM then they must be loving close to the planets they're beaming on to.
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Is anybody getting the Heroes & Icons digital sub-channel? They show all five Trek shows every weeknight.
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The_Doctor posted:I just had this job come through in an email from LinkedIn: (m/f/solid) Mister Kingdom posted:Is anybody getting the Heroes & Icons digital sub-channel? Yeah, that station is rad as hell!
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Taear posted:Even if you're a Tholian on Earth who lives in Port Moresby and the only Tholian-trained doctor lives in Madrid it doesn't matter because you've got transporters.
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Enterprise makes Hoshi completely obsolete by routinely forgetting they don’t have working universal translators that talk into their ear. It’s a device they hold in their hand. And then later nearly every episode the aliens speak English until Hoshi is needed for some screen time where the suddenly forget they were always capable of just talking at aliens and understanding. Archer just read a complete pilots console in a different language on a prisoner transport. The entire episode there is a running gag that one of the aliens won’t shut the gently caress up and keeps talking in Trip’s ear. How would Trip even know what the dude was saying?
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This prison transport ship in Enterprise makes the same metal door closing noise as Goldeneye 007 on the N64
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