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dems being bad was instrumental to us ending up in the position we find ourselves in and it;s bizarre that it wouldn't be discussed in the trump thread.
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Groovelord Neato posted:dems being bad was instrumental us ending up in the position we find ourselves in and it;s bizarre that it wouldn't be discussed in the trump thread. It should be renamed the "Trump and Dems Are Good Actually" thread, because that's the only discussion of Democrats that is actually allowed. There are pages and pages of smooth-brained posters in that thread talking about how Democrats are totally going to stack the court once they take over, even though ~20% of the Democratic caucus in the Senate still hasn't taken a firm stance on whether they're going to vote for Kavanaugh. Totally grounded in reality.
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Sep 17, 2018 19:54
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B B posted:It should be renamed the "Trump and Dems Are Good Actually" thread, because that's the only discussion of Democrats that is actually allowed. There are pages and pages of smooth-brained posters in that thread talking about how Democrats are totally going to stack the court once they take over, even though ~20% of the Democratic caucus in the Senate still hasn't taken a firm stance on whether they're going to vote for Kavanaugh. Totally grounded in reality. Please show us. Let's see these horrific posts and their disastrous effect on the discourse!
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Sep 17, 2018 19:55
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i mean it’s why someone decided on this title was a good use of their ten bucks.
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Sep 17, 2018 19:57
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Groovelord Neato posted:i mean it’s why someone decided on this title was a good use of their ten bucks. now we get to the real issue behind the complaint
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Sep 17, 2018 19:59
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B B posted:It should be renamed the "Trump and Dems Are Good Actually" thread, because that's the only discussion of Democrats that is actually allowed. There are pages and pages of smooth-brained posters in that thread talking about how Democrats are totally going to stack the court once they take over, even though ~20% of the Democratic caucus in the Senate still hasn't taken a firm stance on whether they're going to vote for Kavanaugh. Totally grounded in reality. Groovelord Neato posted:dems being bad was instrumental us ending up in the position we find ourselves in and it;s bizarre that it wouldn't be discussed in the trump thread. One of the things I'm noticing is that the Obama campaign had a lot of dishonest subtle signalling like distancing from DLC, but overall had a lot of a meaningless very bland inclusive messaging that made people who would be Republican otherwise feel good about voting Democrat for non-specific reasons, and now that only lunatic idiots are left in the Republican party, you're left with an incompatible coalition of people who shouldn't be in the same party fracturing with the conservative Democrats thankful for the Trump TV show keeping people inline or else, and not liking the not-serious people rocking the boat.
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Sep 17, 2018 20:00
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Sneakster posted:Howard Dean is going to arrive on Namek just in time. If we come out of all of this with current era democrats being the conservative party, and a new left wing party, I can be okay with that. The question is how long this process takes, and what the demographics looks like when all the dust is settled.
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Sep 17, 2018 20:04
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:This level of persecution complex is mind boggling. The thread you are posting in is literally titled "Democrats Bad" Containment Zone.
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Sep 17, 2018 20:10
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WampaLord posted:The thread you are posting in is literally titled "Democrats Bad" Containment Zone. Right, and the reasons for it existing are plainly clear, yet here were are. Maybe if the topic wasn't so tarnished with bad faith posters, and constant derails this wouldn't be the reality we live in. Heck Yes! Loam! fucked around with this message at 20:13 on Sep 17, 2018 |
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Sep 17, 2018 20:11
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Please show us. Let's see these horrific posts and their disastrous effect on the discourse! If you're not going to read the Trump thread I'm certainly not going to write you the Cliff Notes. Just google the date that Ocasio-Cortez called out Crowley for going back on his pledge not to run on a spoiler ticket, then start reading the Trump thread on that date.
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Sep 17, 2018 20:26
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:If we come out of all of this with current era democrats being the conservative party, and a new left wing party, I can be okay with that. The question is how long this process takes, and what the demographics looks like when all the dust is settled. After the last two years and especially the New York primaries, I'm pretty confident that socialists will take over the Democratic party eventually and get control of our government. As that happens, I have no doubt the socially liberal economically racist types wont be able to put on their MAGA hats fast enough. I agree that how long that takes is a huge question and I think will have the biggest impact. It will be the difference between socialism retooling society into something more equal and long term sustainable or if it will be providing hospice care for a species dying of terminal climate change.
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Sep 17, 2018 20:27
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Right, and the reasons for it existing are plainly clear, yet here were are. Maybe if the topic wasn't so tarnished with bad faith posters, and constant derails this wouldn't be the reality we live in. Heck Yes! Loam! posted:This level of persecution complex is mind boggling.
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Sep 17, 2018 20:29
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:Ok so if I understand you correctly then, when you say: Close. I don't think the double standard is as bad as it is represented here. I also think it is deserved. My solution is two fold. One, start probating more people in the trump thread for bad posting. Two, stop posting "dems are a waste" in the trump thread and getting mad when you catch a probe for it.
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Sep 17, 2018 20:43
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But seriously, the mods have asked people to report those lovely "dems are our heros" posts tooselec posted:Dems are sometimes good, sometimes bad, but the DEMS ARE GOOD/DEMS ARE OUR HOPE/DEMS ARE GONNA DO THIS posts all slide right past that rule because they basically don't upset the feelings of the people who insist on the DEMS ARE BAD rule, which to be fair is the majority of the posters in the thread. It's as simple as that--one side of the debate gets to run wild in there, and even actively bait, as I've seen, the other side with "I bet Greenwald/VitalSigns is going to pop up in a second to tell us..." posts, and the impulse to respond is officially against the rules. R. Guyovich posted:you should report that stuff when you see it because those posts also suck rear end.
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Sep 17, 2018 20:45
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Trabisnikof posted:But seriously, the mods have asked people to report those lovely "dems are our heros" posts too I don't think that factors into their persecution
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Sep 17, 2018 20:48
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Close. I don't think the double standard is as bad as it is represented here. I also think it is deserved. My solution is two fold. One, start probating more people in the trump thread for bad posting. Two, stop posting "dems are a waste" in the trump thread and getting mad when you catch a probe for it. However what often happens is the discussion starts to wander into the "what should Democrats do about [thing]?" and so someone will say "hmmm I think X is a good idea, they should do X." If at that point you say "they're unlikely to do X and here's why" you're likely to catch a probation. That's what happened to VS which led to PJ calling it out and getting probated for it, and it's bullshit. MSDOS KAPITAL posted:Here's a mod challenge: quit playing favorites in the Trump thread.
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Sep 17, 2018 20:48
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:I don't think that factors into their persecution I think the fact that "centrists" are more likely to slam the report button constantly is a big part of why some people feel like the moderation is biased in that thread. A thousand wails go out whenever someone mentions the ACA negotiations but idk if people do the same when someone posts something "good dems".
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Sep 17, 2018 20:52
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Trabisnikof posted:But seriously, the mods have asked people to report those lovely "dems are our heros" posts too
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Sep 17, 2018 20:52
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tbf the question was "Why would Collins vote against ACA repeal but for Kavanaugh" and I answered that (big donors didn't want to blow up their sweet health care grift to own the libs but do want a corporate stooge on the court), but then went the next step and mentioned it's the same reason Democrats will do the same and Schumer won't try to stop them which was obviously crimethink.
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Sep 17, 2018 20:53
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:Those reports mostly get ignored. Maybe if you can find a really egregious one it'll get actioned, but it's nothing like the zealousness on the other side of things where you catch a probation or a ban you if type "Democrats" and "bad" within three sentences of each other. I don't know how true that is, and without people going "I reported this post and nothing happened wtf" we have no real insight into that.
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Sep 17, 2018 20:55
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:I think there's a difference between Kramering into the Trump thread and blurting out "THE DEMS loving SUCK" which I agree should be probatable on the grounds of it being a bad (if correct) post. I agree there is a difference. Posters that post in good faith on those discussions within the limits of the thread don't seem to behaving the same problem with getting probated as others. Lengthy discussions of those issues should likely not occur in the trump thread either.
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Sep 17, 2018 20:56
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Trabisnikof posted:I don't know how true that is, and without people going "I reported this post and nothing happened wtf" we have no real insight into that. Heck Yes! Loam! posted:I agree there is a difference. Posters that post in good faith on those discussions within the limits of the thread don't seem to behaving the same problem with getting probated as others. Lengthy discussions of those issues should likely not occur in the trump thread either.  they absolutely are what the gently caress are you talking about.Do you think anyone here is actually complaining about the first example not being allowed?
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Sep 17, 2018 20:58
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:I'm people, and I'm telling you exactly that. Can you give an example of a post you reported and the mods ignored?
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Sep 17, 2018 21:00
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I don’t think I’ve reported more than 2 or 3 posts my entire time on this site and certainly none in the last few years because what am I, a racist suburban wine mom?
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Sep 17, 2018 21:00
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Trabisnikof posted:Can you give an example of a post you reported and the mods ignored?
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Sep 17, 2018 21:07
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the mods tried to subject prester jane to cruel and inhumane punishment for sticking up for vital signs (demanding she read "what happened", a book so horrifically terrible it can annihilate even the most powerful minds), and should be guillotined for their crimes against humanity
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Sep 17, 2018 21:07
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imagine being forced to read a book that answers its own question on the jacket, and spends its 512 pages ruthlessly pummeling that answer into your mind... it would leave you a broken, gibbering wreck of a human being. which explains the state of centrists on these forums
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Sep 17, 2018 21:11
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Condiv posted:imagine being forced to read a book that answers its own question on the jacket, and spends its 512 pages ruthlessly pummeling that answer into your mind... it would leave you a broken, gibbering wreck of a human being. which explains the state of centrists on these forums Its calculus all over again.
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Sep 17, 2018 21:16
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VitalSigns posted:If you're not going to read the Trump thread I'm certainly not going to write you the Cliff Notes. Speaking of, are you people still convinced he's secretly running?
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Sep 17, 2018 21:19
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Condiv posted:imagine being forced to read a book that answers its own question on the jacket E:oh poo poo it's kinda my fault PJ went down I might need to read this if someone else hadn't claimed that prize yet VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Sep 17, 2018 |
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Sep 17, 2018 21:20
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HootTheOwl posted:Speaking of, are you people still convinced he's secretly running? There you go HYL! saved you the trouble of trawling through the Trump thread
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Sep 17, 2018 21:23
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:You can search my post history in this very thread and on the first page (toward the bottom) you'll find an example of just such a post, by a prolific Hillaryman in the Trump thread. If someone like VitalSigns or myself or whoever had posted exactly that we'd get a sixer before you could say "free Prester Jane." Here, let me sum up what you will spend the next 8 pages saying. Helpfully given by something with similar levels of self importance, and who also runs on hating the libs. https://youtu.be/EbTcHpPDCu8
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Sep 17, 2018 21:25
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Fulchrum posted:Here, let me sum up what you will spend the next 8 pages saying. Helpfully given by something with similar levels of self importance, and who also runs on hating the libs. i'm gonna spend the next 8 pages saying that homophobes like you are lovely, terrible human beings
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Sep 17, 2018 21:26
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edit: The funny thing about the persecution stuff is that the left totally is persecuted in the US, but these folks use this tone implying it's inherently absurd as a way to sort of gaslight themHeck Yes! Loam! posted:I don't understand this straw man. My read on the thread general mindset is that an only a small minority (fulchrum, JC, who else?) would support a bloomberg run. What's the point of the trump thread characterization and treating it as a hive mind? The Trump thread is pretty bad, but you're right that they wouldn't support Bloomberg. From my experience, their issue isn't so much "actively being centrist" and is more "just really disliking leftists for some reason." My guess is that most would either support the main non-Bernie option or would support Bernie while still actively disliking "the far left." While it fortunately isn't an issue now, if Franken hadn't been a sex pest I would have expected him to be the top Trump thread pick - he fit the right balance of not being particularly left-wing, but still being outspoken in opposition to Republicans. Trabisnikof posted:I think the fact that "centrists" are more likely to slam the report button constantly is a big part of why some people feel like the moderation is biased in that thread. A thousand wails go out whenever someone mentions the ACA negotiations but idk if people do the same when someone posts something "good dems". This is probably the biggest thing. The sort of person who is likely to whine about leftists is also the sort of person who asks to see the manager at a store/restaurant. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Sep 17, 2018 |
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Sep 17, 2018 21:27
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does the trump thread still miss franken despite him being a sex pest?
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Sep 17, 2018 21:29
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Condiv posted:i'm gonna spend the next 8 pages saying that homophobes like you are lovely, terrible human beings Well you see there's obligate homophobia and facultative homophobia. While an obligate homophobe is a deplorable who will hate the gays no matter what, a facultative homophobe only hates the gays as a matter of political survival which is actually a good thing...
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Sep 17, 2018 21:33
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Condiv posted:does the trump thread still miss franken despite him being a sex pest? No, we thought that a proven sexual assaulter had no business in government, despite leftists railing against that kind of thinking as  .
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Sep 17, 2018 21:34
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Fulchrum posted:No, we thought that a proven sexual assaulter had no business in government, despite leftists railing against that kind of thinking as The next moment there was a tremendous commotion. The banners and posters with which the square was decorated were all wrong! Quite half of them had the wrong faces on them. It was sabotage! The agents of Goldstein had been at work! There was a riotous interlude while posters were ripped from the walls, banners torn to shreds and trampled underfoot. The Spies performed prodigies of activity in clambering over the rooftops and cutting the streamers that fluttered from the chimneys. But within two or three minutes it was all over. The orator, still gripping the neck of the microphone, his shoulders hunched forward, his free hand clawing at the air, had gone straight on with his speech. One minute more, and the feral roars of rage were again bursting from the crowd. The Hate continued exactly as before, except that the target had been changed. The thing that impressed Winston in looking back was that the speaker had switched from one line to the other actually in midsentence, not only without a pause, but without even breaking the syntax. But at the moment he had other things to preoccupy him. It was during the moment of disorder while the posters were being torn down that a man whose face he did not see had tapped him on the shoulder and said, 'Excuse me, I think you've dropped your brief-case.' He took the brief-case abstractedly, without speaking. He knew that it would be days before he had an opportunity to look inside it. The instant that the demonstration was over he went straight to the Ministry of Truth, though the time was now nearly twenty-three hours. The entire staff of the Ministry had done likewise. The orders already issuing from the telescreen, recalling them to their posts, were hardly necessary. Oceania was at war with Eastasia: Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia. A large part of the political literature of five years was now completely obsolete. Reports and records of all kinds, newspapers, books, pamphlets, films, sound-tracks, photographs -- all had to be rectified at lightning speed. Although no directive was ever issued, it was known that the chiefs of the Department intended that within one week no reference to the war with Eurasia, or the alliance with Eastasia, should remain in existence anywhere. The work was overwhelming, all the more so because the processes that it involved could not be called by their true names. Everyone in the Records Department worked eighteen hours in the twenty-four, with two three-hour snatches of sleep. Mattresses were brought up from the cellars and pitched all over the corridors: meals consisted of sandwiches and Victory Coffee wheeled round on trolleys by attendants from the canteen. Each time that Winston broke off for one of his spells of sleep he tried to leave his desk clear of work, and each time that he crawled back sticky-eyed and aching, it was to find that another shower of paper cylinders had covered the desk like a snowdrift, half burying the speakwrite and overflowing on to the floor, so that the first job was always to stack them into a neat enough pile to give him room to work. What was worst of all was that the work was by no means purely mechanical. Often it was enough merely to substitute one name for another, but any detailed report of events demanded care and imagination. Even the geographical knowledge that one needed in transferring the war from one part of the world to another was considerable.
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Fulchrum posted:No, we thought that a proven sexual assaulter had no business in government, despite leftists railing against that kind of thinking as  where did this happen? in the same delirious fever dreams that made you think LGBTQ groups cost kerry the election?
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The Trump thread (vanilla USPOL really) has been irretrievable for years, although you can be forgiven for believing Trump had shaken the dynamics. ANYWAY https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1041757093022392321?s=21
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