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My favorite is, planes don’t actually fly at an angle, and this proves flat earth since they would just fly tight off into space! This Jim Jefferies Qanon interview has been posted a few times. At just before 4:00 the qultists start arguing over flat earth, then other nonsense.
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The earth is very obviously flat. You very obviously fall off the bottom of a sphere. You can walk outside and look and the world is clearly flat. Nearly any person of normal intelligence would see that is the shape of the earth. Like, it's all wrong, none of that is right. But it's the only conspiracy theory where you can walk outside and easily 'see' it's true. and the only conspeircy where if you bonked a normal intelligence person on the head and made them forget facts they would likely recreate on their own. All the complicated extra stuff, like asking how time zones in australia work are just brush offs, they will give you some really stupid theorycrafted answer but that isn't what they think, it's just a brush off, stuff like time zones in australia might as well be gibberish and not exist, they are outside their worldview and the 'answers' they give are just whatever they come up. australia is far away and abstract and has little impact on anything and might be fake as well, or nothing like people say or whatever. Like, flat earth is a thing because it's like the ur example of rejecting received knowledge, the shape of the earth is the biggest example of school requiring you to give up what you know and see to be true for what you are told is true. It happens that the earth IS absolutely definitely round. it's not a government trick. But it's not really surprising that becomes a target of conspiracy.
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Sep 20, 2018 16:01
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You can scrape together a few thousand dollars for a high altitude baloon and a camera and see the curvature of the Earth yourself. School children can do this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1zF6rXLjxc
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Sep 20, 2018 16:08
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7c Nickel posted:You can scrape together a few thousand dollars for a high altitude baloon and a camera and see the curvature of the Earth yourself. Yes but something something fish eye lens, something something own two eyes, something something
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Sep 20, 2018 16:13
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I mean, yeah that is pretty obviously a fish eye lens. I wonder how dramatic it would be at that height without one.
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Sep 20, 2018 16:22
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When private space travel becomes more viable we should crowdfund sending a bunch of flatearthers to space. Then leave them there, lmao
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Sep 20, 2018 16:22
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Moose-Alini posted:I mean, yeah that is pretty obviously a fish eye lens. I wonder how dramatic it would be at that height without one. This was in the comments. A rebuttal to a flat earther "rebuttal". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXYJ0B4spJ8 Skip to 3:52 for what you're looking for.
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Sep 20, 2018 16:24
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7c Nickel posted:You can scrape together a few thousand dollars for a high altitude baloon and a camera and see the curvature of the Earth yourself. FAKE: 
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Sep 20, 2018 16:27
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Mantis42 posted:When private space travel becomes more viable we should crowdfund sending a bunch of flatearthers to space. You can go up but can’t come down? The “gravity doesn’t exist” guy would love that.
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Sep 20, 2018 16:27
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Shifty Pony posted:Ugh I could see how this would be disturbingly plausible to a person who tried to self-educate themselves about the trigonometric methods used for navigation and the physics behind gravitation and orbital mechanics. There's a ton of "the math works out easier if you shift to this point as a reference and/or use this coordinate system" in both of those and someone who doesn't understand exactly why it works in a particular situation could easily come to the conclusion that you can do that for anything Oh yeah such a coordinate transform would obviously be incompatible with gravitation as we know it, but flat earthers don't believe in gravity (they can't, because gravity would pull a disk the size of the Earth into...a ball!) They believe the gravitational pseudoforce we feel is really the Earth accelerating upward at a constant 32 feet per second per second. What's that, we could do an experiment and measure this force at different points on the Earth to see if it's truly constant or if it varies with altitude and local composition, pfft yeah okay have you done that personally or are you just taking the word of the scientists who made up gravity that they didn't fake these results too. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 16:50 on Sep 20, 2018 |
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Sep 20, 2018 16:29
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I think that Flat Earth-ism is the end result of Trumpism and modern conservatism taking the "you're being lied to by science" narrative and pushing it to it's absolute limit. That meme has always been stewing in the background of conservatism, but if you've been on the fringes of conservative thought for long enough, it almost seems like the logical next step. Like, it used to just be "the scientific community is collectively lying about Evolution because they are angry at God". Then it was "the scientific community is lying to you about global warming because they want to institute socialism". Then it was "the scientific community is lying to you about vaccines because they want to hurt our kids". Then it was "the scientific community is lying to you about psychology/LGBT people because they want to turn America into a weak feminized nation". (And that's not even getting into the "the scientific community is lying to you about race science/the Holocaust," that's a whole other can of worms.) Someone who has been in a right-wing echo chamber for literal decades has absorbed all of these arguments. Now that there's a President in the White House that will boldly declare anything he doesn't like as "fake", and is claiming the scientific community is lying about thousands of dead people in Puerto Rico in order to make him, personally, look bad, it's not out of the question that these people would think "hey, what if the scientific community is lying about literally everything?"
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Sep 20, 2018 16:40
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Post poste posted:Yes but something something fish eye lens, something something own two eyes, something something Basically this. Almost no one is a scientist and almost everyone has a limited understanding of scientific facts (and even science always has current frontiers). If you grilled me on why a ball falls I could give the 4th grade explanation perfectly, up through highschool. I could glance at some notes and probably explain it passingly at like "what I learned in college". Then have to get pretty stammery and wrong explaining anything modern science. Like I watched a bunch of PBS spacetime, so I got some general overview of some general concepts, but I'd clearly just be saying "it's something, I don't know, but they know, I heard the answer, it's something, things have mass because, uhh, it's like photons in a mirrored ball would have intertia, but like that is a metaphor, like, for higgs bosons, but the boson isn't the thing, the field is, it, causing drag, and like, gravity isn't an attraction, it's things taking a curved path through straight space?" If you make anyone talk about science beyond their level it's pretty rough, if someone has a level of education that is like kindergarden or less they talk about low level stuff like we'd talk about "explain quantum mechanics" where you know some generals and maybe took a class once, but are at the edge of your knowledge. You would just have a higher and better edge to that knowledge.
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Sep 20, 2018 16:45
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Crunch Buttsteak posted:I think that Flat Earth-ism is the end result of Trumpism and modern conservatism taking the "you're being lied to by science" narrative and pushing it to it's absolute limit. This, but I refer to it as Contrarianism: Science says the earth is spherical? Then it's flat. Nike supports Kaep? Burn your Nikes (poo poo, even Kaep's BLM stance can result in "gently caress football"). Coffee maker stops advertising on Fox? Smash your Keurig. Science says vaccinate your kid? That means they're giving your kid a disease. Straws banned in Cali? Use extra straws with every drink (which adds no benefit, it's just contrary). I can go on but it can be summarized as "_____ to own the libs." I can't find it on youtube but Key and Peele had a segment where republicans kept wanting the opposite of Obama at a policy meeting so Obama started suggesting things that were objectively bad so the GOP "opposed him" by fighting for good things (at least that's how I remember it). edit: Just saw this in the trump thread. https://twitter.com/chick_in_kiev/s...r%3D4693%23pti1 The Sean fucked around with this message at 17:20 on Sep 20, 2018 |
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Sep 20, 2018 16:50
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I remember vaguely some...I think it was a children's book one of my kids had? Something I read years ago, regardless, where a farmer goes to his daughter's school and they're learning about germs. He doesn't believe that germs exist until the teacher shows him germs under a microscope. I think about that story a lot when I think about conservatives.
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Sep 20, 2018 16:52
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Enola Gay-For-Pay posted:I remember vaguely some...I think it was a children's book one of my kids had? Something I read years ago, regardless, where a farmer goes to his daughter's school and they're learning about germs. He doesn't believe that germs exist until the teacher shows him germs under a microscope. My go-to is creationist author Ken Ham's insistence that a single kid asking "were you there?  " during a lesson on evolution is the best way to expose the evil, corrupt lies of the scientific-industrial complex. These people have... Interesting ideas about thresholds of proof.
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Sep 20, 2018 17:06
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Crunch Buttsteak posted:My go-to is creationist author Ken Ham's insistence that a single kid asking "were you there? I mean, Trump tried that with historians when he said his golf course was a Civil War battle site and they all went "lol no."
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Sep 20, 2018 17:20
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Didn't the Internet Research Agency in Russia pump up flat earthers somehow?
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Sep 20, 2018 17:22
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Enola Gay-For-Pay posted:I remember vaguely some...I think it was a children's book one of my kids had? Something I read years ago, regardless, where a farmer goes to his daughter's school and they're learning about germs. He doesn't believe that germs exist until the teacher shows him germs under a microscope. I remember that story! Amusingly enough I read in my fundamentalist middle school’s literature textbook
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Sep 20, 2018 17:26
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TulliusCicero posted:I honestly always thought Flat Earth poo poo was an elaborate troll. People actually believe this nonsense?! It started as a satirical joke, not a troll. Nobody was trying to convince anyone they actually believed it and it wasn't even elaborate at all. It was all just very thinly veiled "ha conspiracy theorists are loving stupid". Stuff like that happens all the time in science. I remember some grad students who whipped up presentations from the crackpot mail their advisors got and "presented" them to the department over drinks after finals. Then there is the famous chicken paper and presentation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yL_-1d9OSdk But as we've seen over and over and over again written correspondence strips out all the social cues that let you tell if someone actually believes something or if they are just joking around, and the Internet supplied a steady stream of new eyes. That caused a gradual accretion of people who didn't catch that it was satire and instead were genuinely convinced. Or put another way: OAquinas posted:I got one of the best pieces of advice in my life from a Rennie (basically a carnie but who works Renaissance Faires):
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Crunch Buttsteak posted:My go-to is creationist author Ken Ham's insistence that a single kid asking "were you there? "Were you there?" is an interesting creationist argument. So there I was hanging out in the featureless void with my roommate Jehovah and I said "yo it's really dark in here I can't find my weed" and He said...
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Bullfrog posted:Didn't the Internet Research Agency in Russia pump up flat earthers somehow? Most likely, would give them an in with the crazies and use it to spread more propaganda.
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Sep 20, 2018 17:54
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Moose-Alini posted:My favorite is, planes don’t actually fly at an angle, and this proves flat earth since they would just fly tight off into space! This is my favorite too. Especially if you use it back on them. 'So like on a flat earth the plane will have to turn right/left all the time to go around the circle to the other side, correct?'
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Sep 20, 2018 18:02
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🚨 THERE IS A VERY REAL CHANCE THAT KHAZARIAN CABAL RULE WILL COLLAPSE OVER THE NEXT THREE MONTHS 🚨 
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Sep 20, 2018 18:18
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McGlockenshire posted:🚨 THERE IS A VERY REAL CHANCE THAT KHAZARIAN CABAL RULE WILL COLLAPSE OVER THE NEXT THREE MONTHS 🚨 I'm confused. I thought Hivites ran everything. What does an ethnic group of Turkish people have to do with anything?
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Sep 20, 2018 18:30
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VitalSigns posted:"Were you there?" is an interesting creationist argument. Well, there are two kinds of science, experimental and forensic. Nobody's made a species turn into another species in the lab, so then evolution isn't experimental science. So, it must be forensic. And what's the most reliable sort of forensic evidence? That's right, eyewitness testimony . And since The Bible is directly inspired (i.e. written by) God, who was there, it's the most reliable source on origins we have! Checkmate, atheists! Read that in an Australian accent and boom, I just saved you the $35 it would take to go to Ken Ham's Creationist Museum.
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Sep 20, 2018 18:32
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TulliusCicero posted:What does an ethnic group of Turkish people have to do with anything? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazar_hypothesis_of_Ashkenazi_ancestry
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Sep 20, 2018 18:33
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TulliusCicero posted:I'm confused. I thought Hivites ran everything. What does an ethnic group of Turkish people have to do with anything? close. "the khazarian cabal" is actually a different "jews are lying about being jews" conspiracy theory
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Sep 20, 2018 18:37
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Gum posted:close. "the khazarian cabal" is actually a different "jews are lying about being jews" conspiracy theory ...so who are the actual jews? Why is all of this so loving dumb?
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Sep 20, 2018 18:42
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It's kinda dumb of this Q bullshit to be SO specific about these text tests. Saying that trump is gonna use them to drop truth bombs and then when it happens its **TEST MESSAGE** Would seem quite risky in the sense that, they can spin most things but not everything
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Sep 20, 2018 18:49
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Its probably because they know that Qults will go "TRUST THE PLAN!" and that will be enough to forgive that the EMS test is just a test. That post is so typical, its all generic "sources" never anything specific.
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Sep 20, 2018 19:24
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I like how the piece about the end of the world is written in the same style tabloids use to talk about made up celebrity gossip.
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Sep 20, 2018 19:30
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McGlockenshire posted:🚨 THERE IS A VERY REAL CHANCE THAT KHAZARIAN CABAL RULE WILL COLLAPSE OVER THE NEXT THREE MONTHS 🚨 Kazarian? The goat people from Diablo 3 rule the world? 
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Sep 20, 2018 19:35
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TulliusCicero posted:...so who are the actual jews? that's not important. what's important is that this means that if you're a christian then you can be as antisemetic as you like without having to explain away all the pro-jewish stuff in the bible
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Sep 20, 2018 19:35
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steinrokkan posted:I like how the piece about the end of the world is written in the same style tabloids use to talk about made up celebrity gossip. I like that it talks about MI6 having "confirmed sources" and then casually brings up how they contacted Swiss banking gnomes and the White Dragon Society. Worst session of Dnd ever.
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Sep 20, 2018 19:43
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TulliusCicero posted:I honestly always thought Flat Earth poo poo was an elaborate troll. People actually believe this nonsense?! You should check out flat earth twitter and facebook, they're pretty good when you need a laugh every once in a while.
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TulliusCicero posted:I honestly always thought Flat Earth poo poo was an elaborate troll. People actually believe this nonsense?! I used to think that about 4chan racism.
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hitchensgoespop posted:It's kinda dumb of this Q bullshit to be SO specific about these text tests. The Q who used to do super vague "drops" seems to have changed during one of the tripcode changes. It's either a whole new person who is willing to directly say something will happen (then make excuses or brush it off when nothing happens) or the original Q has been off their meds long enough they are fully schizophrenic. Alternatively, they are straight up trolling and always have been and are seeing how far they can push it. It's also worth remembering that Q was not the only "prophet" posting to a chan board and still isn't, this is just the one some merch sellers signal boosted probably because one of them was at one point posting as Q. It's always always always about selling merch to fools. Space Skeleton fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Sep 20, 2018 |
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Sep 20, 2018 19:55
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TulliusCicero posted:...so who are the actual jews? The British.
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Space Skeleton posted:It's also worth remembering that Q was not the only "prophet" posting to a chan board and still isn't, this is just the one some merch sellers signal boosted probably because one of them was at one point posting as Q. It's always always always about selling merch to fools. Somehow that just makes so much sense.
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TulliusCicero posted:There is no curvature to the Earth... :psyboom There are people who listened to, then believed, then voted for Donald Trump. Similarly, don't forget that phone scams and the Home Shopping Network work for a reason.
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