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Solo Wing Pixy posted:The WoL is a Primal twist only works if they go full Panzer Dragoon Saga. As in, the player themself is a divine visitor empowering and animating what would otherwise be a lifeless husk. Which would actually work incredibly well in the context of a subscription MMO, but I doubt they go for that level of meta commentary. I tempered my own character, and it turns out that my divine will consists of lazing about and complaining a lot about content I don't run.
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There was the whole bit with Shiva, Thordan and now Yotsuyu being people who were able to turn into primals. I'm not hot on the PC being a day 1 primal, just cause there wasn't a major post-Calamity threat until Gaius touched down early in the MSQ. (Sidebar: dunno how many people know this, but that cutscene of Gaius' airship landing was prerendered. Kinda cool when you consider how far the game has come in terms of showing action and complex scenes in-game). Also, did the concepts presented in 3.4 regarding the emotions of a summoner affecting a primal ever get followed up on? Ba Gu showing up in 4.4 reminded me of that incident, but I don't remember it coming up again.
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Vitamean posted:There was the whole bit with Shiva, Thordan and now Yotsuyu being people who were able to turn into primals. I'm not hot on the PC being a day 1 primal, just cause there wasn't a major post-Calamity threat until Gaius touched down early in the MSQ. If I'm not mistaken, while a person can become the basis for a primal, they're not actually the primal themselves, are they? Like Shiva the primal is just a manifestation of people's beliefs and legends about the real Shiva, not actually summoning the real Shiva back. So even if the Warrior of Light did become a primal, it wouldn't be you--it'd be a primalized representation of people's beliefs about you. And while we see people turning into those primals, what they're doing is essentially serving as a host body for a primal--so Ysayle isn't Shiva, she's a host for Shiva, who is herself not the real historical Shiva. Which sort of lends itself more to the idea that eventually someone will summon a primal based on the Warrior of Light that you'll have to fight.
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Sep 21, 2018 17:58
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I cannot believe the new raid gave us proof that War of the Lions is the definitive worst version of FFT because because of the necessity of vocalization components.
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Sep 21, 2018 18:01
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Harrow posted:If I'm not mistaken, while a person can become the basis for a primal, they're not actually the primal themselves, are they? Like Shiva the primal is just a manifestation of people's beliefs and legends about the real Shiva, not actually summoning the real Shiva back. So even if the Warrior of Light did become a primal, it wouldn't be you--it'd be a primalized representation of people's beliefs about you. And while we see people turning into those primals, what they're doing is essentially serving as a host body for a primal--so Ysayle isn't Shiva, she's a host for Shiva, who is herself not the real historical Shiva. This is slightly complicated by the case of Louisoix and Phoenix. When the Eorzeans were praying for salvation, they weren't specifically praying for Phoenix, but what Phoenix represents. There's nothing to indicate that Phoenix even existed prior to the Calamity, in fact. Of course, this is a bit different, since it wasn't Louisoix's original body, but Reconstituted Louisoix Bits.
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Got yelled at by a tank to stop using DPS spells so I wouldn't be OOM when he needs a rez. I'm a RDM and just had to cast verraise 3 consecutive times on the healers because of starboard/larboard happening right after they died from something else. I guess conserving all my MP and doing nothing but rezzing the rest of the party could be a viable strategy in that fight.
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Sep 21, 2018 18:35
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Gruckles posted:Got yelled at by a tank to stop using DPS spells so I wouldn't be OOM when he needs a rez. This is the first patch since 4.0 launch that I've done content with mostly pubs, and I swear I've cast verraise more in the past three days than I have the rest of the expansion. I usually bite the bullet cause at the end of the day, I want to win and get out, but if I'm under half MP I'm saving it for healers.
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Gruckles posted:Got yelled at by a tank to stop using DPS spells Gruckles posted:I'm a RDM Does not compute.
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I’m really confused how this larboard/starboard mechanic is supposed to work. I get that it kills everyone but one healer (I guess it always chooses the SCH since it’s always me) but how are you supposed to raise everyone after that? Am I supposed to build a LB3 with something?
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O11 tip for nautical nancies: Stand in the middle of the boss, step slightly left or right to not die, rotate with the boss, repeat. If you’re right in the middle, I’ve found the second or so long flash of the aoe is enough warning to get out. It works for Rathalos too.
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Sep 21, 2018 19:20
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I've been thinking of doing the new raid tier on RDM instead of SAM, but getting turned into a rezbot doesn't sound very fun.
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Sep 21, 2018 19:22
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Stand way the gently caress too far off to one side as a ranged class to ever have a prayer of reacting, hope it doesn't target that side twice in a row, die anyways
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Sep 21, 2018 19:23
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Gruckles posted:Got yelled at by a tank to stop using DPS spells so I wouldn't be OOM when he needs a rez. 
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Sep 21, 2018 19:29
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Poops Mcgoots posted:I've been thinking of doing the new raid tier on RDM instead of SAM, but getting turned into a rezbot doesn't sound very fun. You don't need to be a rezbot if your party gets good and don't die!
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Sep 21, 2018 19:40
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I was tempted to yell at tanks for being in DPS stance in O12n considering all of the damage that gets thrown out. Then we beat it on our third pull. The O11n blaster tether can be swapped/grabbed by people and whoever has it should run away from everyone so they're the only one's who get paralyzed. I was able to take the damage as SAM with third eye and still have around a quarter of my health left (and I was pretty much the only one who was actually able to see and react to the tether since it doesn't always happen  )
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Harrow posted:If I'm not mistaken, while a person can become the basis for a primal, they're not actually the primal themselves, are they? Like Shiva the primal is just a manifestation of people's beliefs and legends about the real Shiva, not actually summoning the real Shiva back. So even if the Warrior of Light did become a primal, it wouldn't be you--it'd be a primalized representation of people's beliefs about you. And while we see people turning into those primals, what they're doing is essentially serving as a host body for a primal--so Ysayle isn't Shiva, she's a host for Shiva, who is herself not the real historical Shiva. This is basically the case. Primals are like fire, you need the right mix of inputs (fuel, oxygen, heat) to create a stable flame. In the case of primals it's belief, intent/emotion, and aether. The Doman artifacts like the Three Regalia that formed Susano have the aether and the belief, but they were inert and did not manifest a Primal until the Red Khojin became desperate enough to wish for a divine intervention to protect their vault. Ysayle provides the intent of summoning the idealized form of Shiva created by the beliefs of the Dravanian Heretics. In the particular case of Primals manifesting around individual people, the process relies on those individuals to provide the raw emotion to keep the summon going, as we can see with Yotsuyu's need to create phantoms to attack her and renew her suffering.
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Leal posted:if your party gets good and don't die! lol
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Sep 21, 2018 19:57
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Poops Mcgoots posted:I've been thinking of doing the new raid tier on RDM instead of SAM, but getting turned into a rezbot doesn't sound very fun. You don't have to rez people, but it helps.
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Here isba quick nautical etymology lesson: This is a boat. What you see circled in red there, is a starboard. Contrary to what you MIGHT have thought, "starboard" has absolutely nothing to do with stars. It has to do with "steering", which would make that a "steer board". In later English, it would be called a "steering oar" and then when it was moved to the middle of the boat, it would be called a "rudder", but for now, because most people are right-handed, the "starboard/steer board" is mounted on the right-hand side of the boat. Now, there are a few considerations you have to take into account when using a steering oar. For one, on which side do you park your boat when you pull up to the dock or port? If you answered the "port side", and this were QI, this would be where we would sound the klaxon. You would be putting the "larboard" side of the boat against the dock or port, and then using a "larboard", or, in later english, "load board", to move cargo on or off your boat, because putting your steering oar between your boat and the dock is a good way to get it smashed to pieces and make leaving the dock harder. In the mid-19th century, however, the English navy deemed that these two terms were too easy to be confused with eachother, and so changed the official nomenclature used from "larboard" to "port", thereby retaining the logic and connotations with each term. And now you have no reason to ever screw the starboard/larboard mechanic ever again.
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SwissArmyDruid posted:And now you have no reason to ever screw the starboard/larboard mechanic ever again. Why do boats not just use "left" and "right" sides? Is keeping track of which end of the boat is the front hard or something?
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Sep 21, 2018 23:09
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my knowledge of boat terms comes solely from this calvin and hobbes strip which for whatever reason has been burned into my brain since i read it as a kid starboard is right, port is left 
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For me it's FFIV - all the passengers board/leave the ships from the port side, and that stuck in my impressionable mind.
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I remember it because port and left have the same number of letters, just like when setting a dinner table, fork goes on the left too.
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quote:In the mid-19th century, however, the English navy deemed that these two terms were too easy to be confused with eachother, and so changed the official nomenclature used from "larboard" to "port", thereby retaining the logic and connotations with each term. This is 100% the problem with the move, at least for me. That extra quarter-moment double checking which one it is that wouldn't be necessary if they just used 'port.' Oh well, everyone will get used to it eventually.
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Sep 21, 2018 23:28
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SwissArmyDruid posted:And now you have no reason to ever screw the starboard/larboard mechanic ever again. what if I get left and right confused still
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Sep 21, 2018 23:30
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Renegret posted:what if I get left and right confused still Your left pointer finger and thumb form an L
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SwissArmyDruid posted:Here isba quick nautical etymology lesson: This is a boat. jokes on you i already forgot
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Rainuwastaken posted:Why do boats not just use "left" and "right" sides? Is keeping track of which end of the boat is the front hard or something? Because if someone said left, which frame of reference are you working on? The boat, the captain, the bo'sun, the deckswabs? Larboard(or port) and starboard (and bow/stern) are specifically the frame of reference of the boat, so people don't get confused.
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Sep 21, 2018 23:49
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I made the mistake of doing things like 'looking at guides' or 'caring' before O10. LET ME TELL YOU IT WORKED WONDERS. If you think learning is fun try unlearning
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The Doomhammer posted:This is 100% the problem with the move, at least for me. That extra quarter-moment double checking which one it is that wouldn't be necessary if they just used 'port.' You're over thinking it. Look at the word. Does it start with L? Then he's firing on his left side. If L go to his right. If No L go to his Left.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:You're over thinking it. Look at the word. Does it start with L? Then he's firing on his left side. If L go to his right. If No L go to his Left. l = left if l go left, got it, thanks! 
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Kaubocks posted:l = left STAGE LEFT
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:STAGE LEFT oh god there's a stage involved now too? i didn't sign up for this
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Saint Freak posted:I made the mistake of doing things like 'looking at guides' or 'caring' before O10. LET ME TELL YOU IT WORKED WONDERS. Wait, what? Isn't this backwards? A spin then a flip is move in, two flips is corners.
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Smells like a MrHappy guide.
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Poops Mcgoots posted:Wait, what? Isn't this backwards? A spin then a flip is move in, two flips is corners. normal and savage have different tells but savage is structured so it's never really a random one just one of any given two
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Honestly my biggest problem with O10 is I can't zoom the camera out far enough so both the "middle is safe" and "corners are safe" cartwheels look kind of similar. Though as long as you stand at the Melee Position at the back left or right of the target circle, you usually have enough time to adjust if you couldn't tell which it was.
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Rainuwastaken posted:Why do boats not just use "left" and "right" sides? Is keeping track of which end of the boat is the front hard or something? Yes, actually. Boats got busy as gently caress, so you needed terms that were absolutes rather than subjective. Saint Freak posted:If you think learning is fun try unlearning 
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I think the move to corners thing is a little misleading too; because it depends on what direction the tank is facing the boss (i.e., you can turn him 45 degrees and get most of the raid killed this way).
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