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Getting ready to build a new rig. Im purchasing one of the dell 1440 144hz gsync monitors and will be using a 1080ti. I already know i wont be hitting 144hz on most games but thats ok. I keep going back and forth on cpu setup. Is the 2600x and a b450 tomahawk a decent choice? My secondary thought is it would be easy to upgrade to Ryzen 2 in a year or two. Would I be better off going with an 8600k?
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Whale Cancer posted:Getting ready to build a new rig. Im purchasing one of the dell 1440 144hz gsync monitors and will be using a 1080ti. I already know i wont be hitting 144hz on most games but thats ok. As much as I recommend ryzen you should probably go with intel if high refresh rate gaming is your main concern and it’s within your budget.
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So I ended up upgrading my i7-4790k for a i9-7900X, and a new Asus prime X299 deluxe mobo Also added ddr4 ram for a total of 32gb. Everything else remains(2x1080ti, Ssd) The difference is insane, I love it. Assassins creed finally runs at a constant 60fps with everything on, so that’s nice, but what I really like is that 3d rendering (modo) is insanely faster, the extra cores are super nice. It feels like a 10x difference in rendering time, although I still have to do some tests, but at least the rendering preview was ridiculously faster. The time spy demo ran at almost 15k points, notable difference with the only change being cpu mainly. I guess I was really cpu-limited. The Asus mobo is also extremely nice and pretty looking, highly recommend.
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B-Mac posted:As much as I recommend ryzen you should probably go with intel if high refresh rate gaming is your main concern and it’s within your budget. I’m very much enjoying a 1080ti/ryzen 2700x combo with a dell 1440p 144hz gsync monitor (and in VR) and always play games pretty much maxed out (AA not maxed since it doesn’t matter as much on 1440p)while the numbers might be lower than an equivalent intel CPU they aren’t lower enough to be perceptible in game.
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B-Mac posted:As much as I recommend ryzen you should probably go with intel if high refresh rate gaming is your main concern and it’s within your budget. I don't exepect to go over 144 on any chip really. 144 is mainly for going over 60 regulary. Do you think a lot more games will start utilizing more cores and threads in the near future?
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Sep 22, 2018 18:30
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Get a 2600x and upgrade to Ryzen 2 later. You probably get a little more single core frequency.
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What CPU would you folks recommend for a non-gaming build? My sis wants me to build her an inexpensive PC. She only uses it for the basic stuff, writing, web surfing, youtube, spotify etc. No gaming or anything graphically intensive. I was thinking of a Ryzen 3 2200G especially since I won't need a GPU if I use that CPU as it has integrated graphics. It's only $100 too. But is this CPU overkill for a system like this? Can anyone recommend a cheaper one that won't show any signs of slowness in normal everyday PC tasks?
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I replied to this query in the short questions thread. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3664613&pagenumber=132#post488198326
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Whale Cancer posted:I don't exepect to go over 144 on any chip really. 144 is mainly for going over 60 regulary. I have a 1080ti paired with a 6700k @ 4.6 ghz. The 1080ti can and will routinely get 90+ FPS in many games, especially if you drop some frivolous settings from ultra to high. The 2600x will still give you a good experience, it’s just that intel will let you pump out an additional 5-10% more frames. I’m sure we will see game engines start to use more cores and threads, I just don’t like trying to predict the future and recommend folks buy a processor that fits their needs now. Here’s a 2600x review that might help you make a decision. https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3288-amd-r5-2600-2600x-review-stream-benchmarks-gaming-blender
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B-Mac posted:I have a 1080ti paired with a 6700k @ 4.6 ghz. The 1080ti can and will routinely get 90+ FPS in many games, especially if you drop some frivolous settings from ultra to high. The 2600x will still give you a good experience, it’s just that intel will let you pump out an additional 5-10% more frames. I’m sure we will see game engines start to use more cores and threads, I just don’t like trying to predict the future and recommend folks buy a processor that fits their needs now. I have a 2600x and a 1080 (non-Ti), and I've definitely had >90 fps in just about every game I play at 1440p, including DOOM on Ultra. The game that has taxed my system the most has been Divinity Original Sin 2, which I suspect is from the CPU. If you end up going with a 1080 Ti I'm sure you'll be more than set, but I haven't played something like GTAV if that's your jam.
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1080ti plus 2600x certainly runs DOOM at full speed 144/1440 ultra.
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LRADIKAL posted:1080ti plus 2600x certainly runs DOOM at full speed 144/1440 ultra. To be fair a toaster and a pile of dirt runs doom at max FPS, the game is that well optimized.
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B-Mac posted:To be fair a toaster and a pile of dirt runs doom at max FPS, the game is that well optimized. Probably right, but it was the best I could come up with for a decent benchmark, I don't play a lot of AAA games, honestly.
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"My setup runs it fine" is a useless statement, aimed at no one in particular posting that. But doom, really? Averages over large samples of benchmarks still give Intel a good ~10% lead when the game is CPU bound (i.e. at high framerates) so it's still the best recommendation for high framerates. Even if the games industry went on a multi-core optimization bender it'd be a long time before we saw game engines optimised for >6c. At present, >4 is mostly only a good buy-in for VR. Ryzens remain an excellent choice for blending gaming and a workstation that needs cores, though.
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What is your point? No one has said otherwise.
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My point is "I get X in [title] with [ryzen cpu]" doesn't answer the question. But yeah I was a little snippy, I'm just generally mad about subjective answers that mean nothing.
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I know n=1 and all that, but I was just trying to offer whatever help I could; I'm not an expert and don't claim to be. I bought a 2600x because it was the more affordable option and I'm happy with it, do what you want with that information.
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One of the major appeals of the 2600x is the price to be honest, and the ability to upgrade to zen2 on the same board. I'm coming from an i5 3570k w/ 8g of ddr3 1333 and a gtx 970, so even a 2600x will blow it away. Pricewise if I went intel I'd be looking at an 8400 or possibly an 8600k. An 8700k is out of my range.
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Whale Cancer posted:One of the major appeals of the 2600x is the price to be honest, and the ability to upgrade to zen2 on the same board.  The difference isn't always very noticeable in-game, but if you play something that handily locks to 144hz (CS GO or rocket league, fortnite, etc) then swap to a game thats significantly under 100 you do notice it, so any gap-bridging between the two will help. Yes, this is somewhat snobby high-end stuff but you'll know what I mean once you have that display going.
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Stickman posted:I think your post kind of got lost in the shuffle, sorry. There's nothing glaring terrible, but it will be somewhat marginal for ultra 1440p/VR (assuming your monitor is 120+Hz - correct me if I'm wrong), especially as newer AAA come out. You've chosen cost-efficient components, however, especially with the package deals, so any suggestions are going to increase the price. Ok, to clear it up, I actually just have a 60hz monitor right now, nothing fancy just an Acer IPS. I might get g-sync later, but not really a priority at the moment. I don't really do any competitive gaming, so it's not super important to me to get max frames, close to 60 at 1440p is totally cool. I ended up cancelling the i3, it said in stock when I ordered, but it's backordered now and I know I'm going to kick myself without a 6 core, so here's my updated (way more expensive gently caress it) build: PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant CPU: Intel - Core i5-8600K 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor ($249.00 @ Amazon) CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($36.40 @ OutletPC) Motherboard: ASRock - Z370M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($109.99 @ Newegg) Memory: G.Skill - Aegis 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($123.99 @ Newegg) Case: NZXT - H400i MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($114.99 @ Amazon) Total: $634.37 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-09-23 03:01 EDT-0400 So I got a EVGA 1070 on eBay for $230, and I realized I can probably just move the 2yo 550 corsair PSU from my current build. Unless that's a bad idea for some reason. Also using a Crucial MX300 525GB for the disk for now. Probably will throw in a m.2 at some point, but don't really think it's with it currently. So any terrible ideas here?
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I prefer Ryzen at this price point, would recommend 3000mhz RAM, and you can save a few bucks on your case getting the non "i" version. I also like the be quiet! 120mm and 140mm pure wings 2 fans. Get a couple 140mm's for the front and 1 or 2 120mm's for the back/top. They should be a PWM model.
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ddogflex posted:Ok, to clear it up, I actually just have a 60hz monitor right now, nothing fancy just an Acer IPS. I might get g-sync later, but not really a priority at the moment. I don't really do any competitive gaming, so it's not super important to me to get max frames, close to 60 at 1440p is totally cool. Looks pretty good. I’d spend the few extra bucks for a bit after memory. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FNprxr/gskill-aegis-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3000-memory-f43000c16d16gisb Also the AMD 2600x would be a decent choice and come with a good stock cooler. [PCPartPicker part list](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bNYwkd) / [Price breakdown by merchant](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bNYwkd/by_merchant/) PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor ($219.89 @ OutletPC) Motherboard: MSI - B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard ($99.99 @ B&H) Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($134.99 @ Newegg) Total: $454.87 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-09-23 07:44 EDT-0400 B-Mac fucked around with this message at 12:45 on Sep 23, 2018 |
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I pronounce it “Asser”
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Looking for critique on my revised AMD build (heavily influenced by LRADIKAL's H200 build that he shared earlier): CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7GHz 8-Core Processor ($418.99 @ Mike's Computer Shop) CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Pure Rock Slim 35.1 CFM CPU Cooler ($46.84 @ Amazon Canada) Motherboard: ASRock - Fatal1ty X470 Gaming-ITX/ac Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard ($220.00 @ Vuugo) Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($410.99 @ PC-Canada) Storage: Crucial - MX500 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($114.99 @ PC-Canada) Storage: Samsung - 970 Evo 1.0TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($389.99 @ Newegg Canada) Case: NZXT - H200 (White) Mini ITX Tower Case ($109.99 @ Newegg Canada) Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA GS 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply Total: $1711.79 I'm re-using my existing build's SuperNOVA GS PSU. But I'm also wondering what the best GPU upgrade would be from my GTX 970- I'm thinking 1070. Is it worth the upgrade, or should I just keep using my GTX 970 and wait until the next gen of GPUs? My primary use for this rig is for video editing (which includes some 4K footage) and some gaming. melon cat fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Sep 23, 2018 |
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I don't know what software you are using, but it could be worth going down to a 2600X and upping the graphics card, or the graphics card could be irrelevant. I don't know. Looks pretty solid though. That cooler might be a better fit than the Dark Rock Huge that I have, so hopefully you can reach that screw in the top left of the motherboard with the cooler installed. Also, that memory doesn't look very tall, double check that you will clear the cooler. Consider fan splitters and power extension cables. I only really "needed" the video card extenders, but the CPU power cable in the top left can be a bit of a stretch depending on the power supply. Take some cool pix when you're done building!
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melon cat posted:Looking for critique on my revised AMD build (heavily influenced by LRADIKAL's H200 build that he shared earlier): Do you have a 4k monitor that you use for gaming and to view your 4k footage? Only the 2080Ti which is  * 120 or more can reliably do 60hz 4k with high or ultra settings on AAA games. That said if you're willing to use lower settings than the 1070 is similar to the 980Ti for performance. There's 1080's in the $420 range pretty often now which isn't too much more than what I see a lot of 1070s for.edit: didn't realize you were in Canada, so my prices and mentions of good deals may not be available.
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Eletriarnation posted:If your bar is "as good as a 6850", which is a fine bar for Sims 4, then a 1050 or RX 460/560 will do and anything further is probably unnecessary unless you're going beyond 1080p. When I play that I turn everything up at 4K with a 1060 6GB, which from what I have seen usually performs at about 250% of where my old 7850 was. Just posting to say that I put a 1060 in and it's working great for what I need it for. I think I'm over capacity on the PSU though. It's 630watt and there's four leads coming off of the PSU (other than the main power and stuff). One goes to two SATA connectors that connect the primary hard drive and CD-ROM, the other first goes through the two-fan video card, then from there connects three other fans and four non-SSD hard drives. It stopped seeing the last hard drive in the chain, and I'm assuming it's a power issue because that sounds ridiculous (I didn't build this machine btw). I ordered a 6-pin extension because there are two unused 6-pins and I'm going to tap into a different one for the video card.
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630W is a lot, so you're probably not over capacity. Consumer hard drives use ~10W or less when spinning and SSDs typically use 5W or less active. A 1060 is capped at 120W stock. You're talking 400W+ after everything else left for the processor, and I know of no processor that uses anywhere near that at stock. Also, hard drive detection happens at boot when the system isn't drawing that much power - you would never expect to see a problem at that point unless the PSU is woefully inadequate. I'm betting there's an issue with the cables or the drive itself. Eletriarnation fucked around with this message at 22:45 on Sep 23, 2018 |
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Bear in mind that PSUs are most efficient around 50%. That being said, you really have to go out of your way to build a system that idles at ~300-400W. The average system nowadays is going to idle ~80-120W (assuming you don't use hibernation/sleep states) and peak around 225-300W. Thus, 650-750W is a good sweet spot. 550W doesn't leave you a ton of latitude for aging, as PSUs *do* lose efficiency over time. But hey, that's what those warranties are for. 
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It's not likely you're maxing the PSU, but if you really have the GPU + 3xfans + 4xHDDs connected to a single cable, I think you're suspicion that you're maxing out that cable is correct. If you just offload those to a molex/sata cable you'll likely be fine.
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My aging PSU's fan started to rattle loudly and I plan to use this system for a while longer and donate it to family or a friend after I'm done with it, so I need a replacement PSU and I'm asking for a sanity check or recommendation (I'm in Canada) CPU i5-2500k non-o/ced GPU R9 290 2 SSDs, 1 7.2k rpm I don't want to spend a whole lot or go way above my requirements. My current PSU is 650W and PC Parts Picker puts my system at 473W. I found this EVGA 500 B1. but I feel like it may be cutting it close as the R9 290 is a power hog apparently. I'm looking at this Rosewill Capstone 650M if 500W isn't enough.
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Pottsdam posted:My aging PSU's fan started to rattle loudly and I plan to use this system for a while longer and donate it to family or a friend after I'm done with it, so I need a replacement PSU and I'm asking for a sanity check or recommendation (I'm in Canada) If you absolutely need to stay around that price point, this is the unit I'd recommend: https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16817151096 Other than that, it seems 80+ Gold units start around $80 in the Great White North. If you can dig deeper into your pocket, this one is the best value as it has a 12 year warranty: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/8PJtt6/evga-supernova-g1-650w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-120-gp-0650-x1 BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 00:40 on Sep 24, 2018 |
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BIG HEADLINE posted:The average system nowadays is going to idle ~80-120W (assuming you don't use hibernation/sleep states) and peak around 225-300W. Thus, 650-750W is a good sweet spot. 550W doesn't leave you a ton of latitude for aging, as PSUs *do* lose efficiency over time. 500 watt PSUs are plenty and 650-750 is overkill for 90% of people in this thread.
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Pottsdam posted:My aging PSU's fan started to rattle loudly and I plan to use this system for a while longer and donate it to family or a friend after I'm done with it, so I need a replacement PSU and I'm asking for a sanity check or recommendation (I'm in Canada) Also you should OC the poo poo out of that CPU, you're leaving a full gig of processor speed on the table for no reason.
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Fuzz posted:Also you should OC the poo poo out of that CPU, you're leaving a full gig of processor speed on the table for no reason. I actually did have a reason. Apparently all this time the stock cpu cooler wasn't seated properly. One of the pins wasn't in I think. Temperatures were too high to think about o/c. when i finally realized what was going on I tried to seat it properly and the last pin ended up breaking I know I can install an aftermarket cooler but 
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Your car only has 3 full tires and the donut so you drive 55 everywhere. 
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Pottsdam posted:I actually did have a reason. Apparently all this time the stock cpu cooler wasn't seated properly. One of the pins wasn't in I think. Temperatures were too high to think about o/c. when i finally realized what was going on I tried to seat it properly and the last pin ended up breaking You barely need a decent aftermarket to make that thing fly. Grab a Hyper 212 for like $30 and go for it!
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This is one of the only times anymore when you can do a super easy over clock for VERY noticeable gains. The 2500K turns from an old, crummy CPU into a 4 core monster.
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LRADIKAL posted:This is one of the only times anymore when you can do a super easy over clock for VERY noticeable gains. The 2500K turns from an old, crummy CPU into a 4 core monster. Really? I have a 2500k that isn't overclocked. Then again the most gaming his thing sees is The Sims, so I think I'll leave it alone.
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