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Sep 21, 2018 20:28
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Freakazoid_ posted:The trick to avoiding being purged is to not post in the trump thread, I feel. I don't even recommend reading it. Now how will everyone know my opinions on tarsiiformes? This is a crime greater than Russian collusion.
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Sep 21, 2018 22:19
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lol once again, lesser evilism is proven to be a crock of poo poo
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Sep 22, 2018 00:38
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It's real precious that the Trump thread can't grapple with O'Rourke backing away from running on M4A after the primaries without moron platitudes about Texas that runs against every single observable metric about M4A's approval across the states.
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Sep 22, 2018 03:13
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I just got a really sinking feeling all the sudden, like a million voices cried out "Show your map" and were only silenced after lowtax said "gently caress you, toxx is a toxx". Then I saw Celestial Scribe getting chaos dunked on and knew why I felt that way.
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Sep 22, 2018 05:21
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Harik posted:I just got a really sinking feeling all the sudden, like a million voices cried out "Show your map" and were only silenced after lowtax said "gently caress you, toxx is a toxx". For the record I was hoping to impress upon him the futility of even attempting to try and sway thread opinion since he's been run through this exact same scenario not all that long ago. Course he got probed anyway so welp
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Sep 22, 2018 05:24
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A chill just ran down my spine, and I am familiar with its horror. Edit: the strength and number of parallels in that toxx thread are loving eerie, holy god in heaven. ded redd fucked around with this message at 05:38 on Sep 22, 2018 |
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Sep 22, 2018 05:27
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Office Pig posted:A chill just ran down my spine, and I am familiar with its horror. Then we'll wonder how we lost to donald loving trump in 2020 and whoops the lack of turnout left the minor task of *checks notes* redistricting after the 2020 census to republicans in 3/4 of the states. E: so, like, stop making GBS threads on celestialscribe unless you're loving knocking on wood every time you do it.
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Sep 22, 2018 06:19
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Harik posted:There will probably be a 2018 "wave" election. Followed by two years of powerless shitdems refusing to even talk about income inequality, skyrocketing healthcare costs, stagnant wage growth, our rapid march towards a final solution to the immigrant problem, police immunity to any consequences for murdering unarmed black teenagers, or any of the actual pressing day-to-day issues that voters care about. People will constantly say that you're being ridiculous and overly cynical when you say things like this, and then either just forget about it after years pass with the Democrats doing exactly what you describe or make excuses (and there will always be excuses). Seeing people gushing over O'Rourke is simultaneously hilarious and depressing. These people are such easy marks; Democratic politicians can only wish that all their constituents were like them.
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Sep 22, 2018 06:22
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Ytlaya posted:People will constantly say that you're being ridiculous and overly cynical when you say things like this, and then either just forget about it after years pass with the Democrats doing exactly what you describe or make excuses (and there will always be excuses). Ok, so in contrast to the doom and gloom here's a funny scenario for you: Say O'Rourke wins, and against all How long does the electoral college last?
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Sep 22, 2018 07:54
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Harik posted:I'm cool with O'Rourke if he gets cruz out of politics. It would be funny if the one thing succ dems and socialists can agree on is to get rid of the electoral college at the first opportunity.
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Sep 22, 2018 11:56
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The electoral college is the barrier to socialism, it must be destroyed short of consolidating the empty states by conquest.
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Sep 22, 2018 13:53
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Also be cautious when attacking trump t. saints from the center left.
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Sep 22, 2018 14:03
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Ytlaya posted:People will constantly say that you're being ridiculous and overly cynical when you say things like this, and then either just forget about it after years pass with the Democrats doing exactly what you describe or make excuses (and there will always be excuses). Pelosi has promised to bring back pay-go when Democrats take back the house which means they will only have money for war, prisons, and ICE. They might even get Social Security privatized to pay for the Trump tax cuts. Believing that the Democrats will do anything to help their base without being forced kicking and screaming to do so requires both ignoring everything they do and say and also constructing an elaborate fantasy that lives only in your mind.
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Iron Twinkie posted:Pelosi has promised to bring back pay-go when Democrats take back the house which means they will only have money for war, prisons, and ICE. They might even get Social Security privatized to pay for the Trump tax cuts. The narrative they construct is basically one where the Democrats are generally trying their hardest, but can only make minor improvements due to Republicans and a small minority of conservatives Dems. This is basically impossible to disprove (by their standards, anyways), because they can excuse almost anything short of a Democrat explicitly saying "I am not supporting this because I am ideologically opposed to it" as "they have to do this or they would lose more elections" (which is itself impossible to disprove to their standards without exploring an alternate timeline). Another key point of disagreement between the center/center-left and left is that the former believe the result of Democratic governance, while not ideal, has been a definite positive and that they're at least "moving in the right direction" even if it might be ideal to move a little faster. Of course, in reality this is highly questionable if you take the whole of Democratic accomplishments, including the Iraq War and actions of the Clinton administration, but in their mind the accomplishments of the Democratic Party can be summed up as "gay marriage and the ACA."
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I think what I love most about the Dolan plump thread is how quickly they jump on people that go against thread orthodoxy. Theres loving 50 of them just waiting for someone to poke them. Truly beautiful
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Sep 22, 2018 18:43
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Ytlaya posted:People will constantly say that you're being ridiculous and overly cynical when you say things like this, and then either just forget about it after years pass with the Democrats doing exactly what you describe or make excuses (and there will always be excuses). I've become a little more cautious in my support for Beto over the last few days. I caught the last 15 minutes of the debate last night. When he got into the whole "we're not AGAINST poo poo, we're FOR poo poo like this, and this and this...", I thought to myself, "There it is. He's going the full Obama." And then I reminded myself of everything that that entails. I'm having flashbacks to those heady days of Hope & Change back in '08. I can see it now: Senator O'Rourke reaffirming his support for big banks as being good for the economy. Pharmaceutical companies are doing some great, life saving research. Selling drones to Saudi Arabia is crucial to winning the war against the Islamic State. But he'll make affluent white liberals at Whole Foods feel good about themselves, and I quess that's what really matters.
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^^^ I mean, supporting him as a vector for removing Ted Cruz makes perfect sense, but I'm talking more about the people gushing about how affable he is and stuff. For a while of almost never reading the Trump thread, I had assumed people were exaggerating about it, but I've been reading the last few pages and they're really not. The Greenwald situation is fascinating to me because the hate aimed at him is just so bizarre and excessive. I've noticed that these people seem to really like terms like "useful idiot," "whataboutism," "carrying water for," etc. It feels almost the same as arguing with conservatives, in the sense that they seem to exist in this alternate ideological universe. They view their own media sources as potentially flawed, but fundamentally normal (and thus worth taking seriously), as opposed to other media that is propaganda that should be dismissed outright. Just like conservatives completely dismiss anything outside their own media bubbles.
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Sep 22, 2018 19:32
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VideoGameVet posted:https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1042228262490046464 The first one is far more important than the second, though. "Aided by the Russians" sounds scary, but foreign agents buying Facebook ads is not nearly as big a threat to democracy as a party rigging its own primaries.
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Sep 22, 2018 19:37
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The hate for Greenwald makes more sense when you remember the bloodlust a lot of democrats in general have for Snowden (and to a slightly lesser extent, Manning) for making Obama look like poo poo, and Greenwald via association. The dumbass Russia stuff is an excuse to keep that hate going in a way that at least appears less loving petty.
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Ytlaya posted:^^^ I mean, supporting him as a vector for removing Ted Cruz makes perfect sense, but I'm talking more about the people gushing about how affable he is and stuff. That's because they do.
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Ytlaya posted:^^^ I mean, supporting him as a vector for removing Ted Cruz makes perfect sense, but I'm talking more about the people gushing about how affable he is and stuff. I think it's worth asking why people tribalize forum threads, I've never understood it.
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RuanGacho posted:I think it's worth asking why people tribalize forum threads, I've never understood it. There does seem to be this bizare obsession with "the trump thread" that I find to be kind of hilarious.
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Sep 22, 2018 19:53
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Main Paineframe posted:The first one is far more important than the second, though. "Aided by the Russians" sounds scary, but foreign agents buying Facebook ads is not nearly as big a threat to democracy as a party rigging its own primaries. it really can't be said enough that literally nothing the russians have been accused of save for the 100% unproven 'they hacked the votes' idea has happened in nearly every election and somehow candidates overcame it.
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Ytlaya posted:^^^ I mean, supporting him as a vector for removing Ted Cruz makes perfect sense, but I'm talking more about the people gushing about how affable he is and stuff. Greenwald really is poo poo though. Do you not breathe because the tromp thread does? Sometimes they're right on things. He's willingly working for a government that would happily murder him for both who he is and what he does because his only guiding principle is "NSA bad" so obviously "GRU good" must follow. When he's not doing that he's giving interviews on a different foreign-owned propaganda empire in some misguided sense of "balance". Dude's a stopped clock who's right every time the subject of "america loving around with other countries is bad" rolls around. E: Why is there this bizarre insistence that the russia investigation is just about some ad buys? Directing the campaign through known operatives, espionage, massive bribery and probable blackmail on a sitting president has nothing to do with 'hurr they couldn't have swung enough votes to make a difference' Even without a tromp win his nomination let them rewrite the GOP platform to loosen sanctions due to their illegal annexation of a neighbor. That's... not nothing. Harik fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Sep 22, 2018 |
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Harik posted:I just got a really sinking feeling all the sudden, like a million voices cried out "Show your map" and were only silenced after lowtax said "gently caress you, toxx is a toxx". Office Pig posted:For the record I was hoping to impress upon him the futility of even attempting to try and sway thread opinion since he's been run through this exact same scenario not all that long ago.  lol
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Harik posted:? lol jfc It's always funny when some liberal whines about leftists taking one of the few media platforms offered to them because it's run by some lovely country, as if that in itself is somehow harmful. It's almost like the desired end result is that leftists don't get heard by anyone. In short: When US media starts dealing fairly with the left you might have a case here, so maybe you should start working towards that instead of yelling about Greenwald? Harik posted:E: Why is there this bizarre insistence that the russia investigation is just about some ad buys? Directing the campaign through known operatives, espionage, massive bribery and probable blackmail on a sitting president has nothing to do with 'hurr they couldn't have swung enough votes to make a difference' Even without a tromp win his nomination let them rewrite the GOP platform to loosen sanctions due to their illegal annexation of a neighbor. That's... not nothing. Or maybe parts of the GOP wanted to do that anyway, no Russian conspiracy needed? The point where you lot go off the rails is when you insist that things that are easily explained by a simple convergence of interests must be the result of some all-encompassing Russian conspiracy handing down marching orders to Trump & his gang.
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Cerebral Bore posted:lol jfc Russia isn't "leftist" and neither is RT. Totalitarian kleptocracy is just another form of capitalism. Cerebral Bore posted:Or maybe parts of the GOP wanted to do that anyway, no Russian conspiracy needed? The point where you lot go off the rails is when you insist that things that are easily explained by a simple convergence of interests must be the result of some all-encompassing Russian conspiracy handing down marching orders to Trump & his gang. I differ from the tromp thread in that I don't think it's any worse that russia was behind the bribery than when it's Theil or the Kochs. I guess I differ from you that I don't think it makes it OK. Love the diversion from "why tromp thread only whine about election": Main Paineframe posted:The first one is far more important than the second, though. "Aided by the Russians" sounds scary, but foreign agents buying Facebook ads is not nearly as big a threat to democracy as a party rigging its own primaries. sexpig by night posted:it really can't be said enough that literally nothing the russians have been accused of save for the 100% unproven 'they hacked the votes' idea has happened in nearly every election and somehow candidates overcame it. This is why dems are a waste is probe-on-sight, jesus. E: mixed up two people, fixed my reply to the one I'm actually responding two. Harik fucked around with this message at 23:32 on Sep 22, 2018 |
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Cerebral Bore posted:It's always funny when some liberal whines about leftists taking one of the few media platforms offered to them because it's run by some lovely country, as if that in itself is somehow harmful. Also holy gently caress this. It's terrible that Greenwald has no platform outside Russia Today and Fox news. There's absolutely nowhere else he could get his message out, so he's forced to depend on the benevolence of state-run propaganda outlets.
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Harik posted:The gently caress is this. See, this is where your supposed criticism breaks down. Because this is true, but so what? It's literally and completely irrelevant to the previous discussion. Harik posted:I'm interested in millions of dollars in payoffs, you're interested in buying legislative changes to benefit you. It's a simple convergence of interests! Why is it some sort of conspiracy to commit bribery? lol. You literally can't even handle a simple counterargument, can you? Literally defaulting to inventing bad motivations because you have no way of defending your argument. This is why we laugh your ilk out of this thread, just so you know. It's because you will spend zero time actually discussing things and 100% of your time being all "huh so you all must love RUSSIA then!" E: I see that you actually tried a tiny attempt at an argument, though, so let's see it: Harik posted:Also holy gently caress this. Ah yes, the Intercept. Noted titan of media, with a huge reach. This proves my point fully: If you got your way, leftists would be relegated to tiny fringe media outlets where they can be safely shouted down by a media establishment a million times their size. It's exactly this situation that means you don't get to yell at leftist people for going on RT or whatnot, because they have to do that if they want to be heard, and this is by design. Cerebral Bore fucked around with this message at 23:42 on Sep 22, 2018 |
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Sep 22, 2018 23:38
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I mean, if I were more inclined to believe in conspiracies, I would start questioning how awfully convenient it is that the only larger media platforms available for leftists are ones that let the liberals condemn them for appearing on.
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Cerebral Bore posted:See, this is where your supposed criticism breaks down. Because this is true, but so what? It's literally and completely irrelevant to the previous discussion. Cerebral Bore posted:It's always funny when some liberal whines about leftists taking one of the few media platforms offered to them because it's run by some lovely country, as if that in itself is somehow harmful. It's almost like the desired end result is that leftists don't get heard by anyone. In short: When US media starts dealing fairly with the left you might have a case here, so maybe you should start working towards that instead of yelling about Greenwald? Cerebral Bore posted:lol. You literally can't even handle a simple counterargument, can you? Literally defaulting to inventing bad motivations because you have no way of defending your argument. This is why we laugh your ilk out of this thread, just so you know. It's because you will spend zero time actually discussing things and 100% of your time being all "huh so you all must love RUSSIA then!" Cerebral Bore posted:Or maybe parts of the GOP wanted to do that anyway, no Russian conspiracy needed? The point where you lot go off the rails is when you insist that things that are easily explained by a simple convergence of interests must be the result of some all-encompassing Russian conspiracy handing down marching orders to Trump & his gang. Harik posted:I differ from the tromp thread in that I don't think it's any worse that russia was behind the bribery than when it's Theil or the Kochs. I guess I differ from you that I don't think it makes it OK.  about laughing me out of the thread and it's all about getting those superstar slams in.E: An actual argument to engage in Cerebral Bore posted:I mean, if I were more inclined to believe in conspiracies, I would start questioning how awfully convenient it is that the only larger media platforms available for leftists are ones that let the liberals condemn them for appearing on. Harik fucked around with this message at 23:55 on Sep 22, 2018 |
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Harik posted:Hi! Please explain how poor downtrodden leftists have no outlets whatsoever except state-run TV designed explicitly to undermine the US, not to promote "leftism". Name one with any kind of national influence. Harik posted:I said you were downplaying its importance, not that you love russia. You knew that, of course, but it was easier to run with the the "invent bad motivations" argument for that Harik posted:I differ from the tromp thread in that I don't think it's any worse that russia was behind the bribery than when it's Theil or the Kochs. I guess I differ from you that I don't think it makes it OK. In your literal first loving reply you started with the implication that I think Russian bribery is OK, and you haven't stopped since, ya enormous shithead. Try engaging in some good faith if you want to be taken seriously. Harik posted:E: An actual argument to engage in Yeah, so? Why exactly has championed lovely outlets here? And besides that, maybe you should start by explaining what exactly is the harm done if some leftist appears on some lovely outlet? E: And even more to the point, from your own argument here it literally directly follows that liberals will never let leftists get a fair hearing for their views in mainstream media, which is really loving hilarious given that you also said this: Harik posted:Hi! Please explain how poor downtrodden leftists have no outlets whatsoever except state-run TV designed explicitly to undermine the US, not to promote "leftism". Cerebral Bore fucked around with this message at 00:03 on Sep 23, 2018 |
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So would it also be right to shun black activists who opt to take advantage of the platform RT is willing to provide them, regardless of reasons, or nah.
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Trump has done nothing to show he's 'in debt' to Russia unless you think the hyper nationalist weirdo thinking NATO sucks (hey, spoiler, NATO is a cold war relic who should die) and wants to wave his dick at the EU is only happening because Russia told him to. Russia wanted Trump because he's like a big mentally retarded bull getting let lose on our country, and while we're dealing with Jimmy The Very Special Bull they and anyone else who doesn't want us messing with them can just do whatever. There was no grand scheme.
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Cerebral Bore posted:Name one with any kind of national influence. Cerebral Bore posted:In your literal first loving reply you started with the implication that I think Russian bribery is OK, and you haven't stopped since, ya enormous shithead. Try engaging in some good faith if you want to be taken seriously. Cerebral Bore posted:Yeah, so? Why exactly has championed lovely outlets here? And besides that, maybe you should start by explaining what exactly is the harm done if some leftist appears on some lovely outlet? This follows up on Cerebral Bore posted:Ah yes, the Intercept. Noted titan of media, with a huge reach. This proves my point fully: If you got your way, leftists would be relegated to tiny fringe media outlets where they can be safely shouted down by a media establishment a million times their size. It's exactly this situation that means you don't get to yell at leftist people for going on RT or whatnot, because they have to do that if they want to be heard, and this is by design. Besides, if readership/viewership was the dominant factor, National Review wouldn't be a tenth as influential as it is. Oh Snapple! posted:So would it also be right to shun black activists who opt to take advantage of the platform RT is willing to provide them, regardless of reasons, or nah. sexpig by night posted:Trump has done nothing to show he's 'in debt' to Russia unless you think the hyper nationalist weirdo thinking NATO sucks (hey, spoiler, NATO is a cold war relic who should die) and wants to wave his dick at the EU is only happening because Russia told him to. Harik fucked around with this message at 00:38 on Sep 23, 2018 |
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RuanGacho posted:I think it's worth asking why people tribalize forum threads, I've never understood it. a given thread is heavily policed by mods to weed out certain kinds of posting so when the people who prefer that kind of posting all find a similar thread that doesn't chase out those posters, they all whine together about that other stupid thread they totally wouldn't ever be caught dead in Harik posted:E: Why is there this bizarre insistence that the russia investigation is just about some ad buys? Directing the campaign through known operatives, espionage, massive bribery and probable blackmail on a sitting president has nothing to do with 'hurr they couldn't have swung enough votes to make a difference' Even without a tromp win his nomination let them rewrite the GOP platform to loosen sanctions due to their illegal annexation of a neighbor. That's... not nothing. Oh no, not loosening of sanctions! Surely that's the first step to the complete destruction of America! The thing is that almost everything Russia has been accused of would be legal for American oligarchs to do, and Russia's objectives are far less malevolent than those of American oligarchs. I'd rather have a president in Putin's pocket than a president in the health insurance industry's pocket.
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