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Business Gorillas posted:Yeah, the membership didn't take the whole endorsing Hillary thing well, everyone on the ground wanted either Bernie or trump Also for unions which allowed endorsements be given based on voting by all members Bernie won.
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etalian posted:Yeah basically it was cutting off the money side of the union which is used to fund things like training or strike funds. I had to stare at this for awhile and my take away was basically what I already thought I knew: Essentially, "Hey, look at all those non-bargaining workers who not only make less per hour but also get a fraction of the pension and healthcare contributions, praise the almighty profit and let the worker starve, live life sickly and die young and in debt with nothing to pass to their families." Capitalism is so wonderful. Let's lower corporate taxes some more and hoover the last crumbs up to the 0.001% because hey gently caress everyone else.
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To get back on track https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/aid-checks-go-out-farmers-worry-bailout-won-t-be-n912311?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma Due to current tariffs US farmers are having to sell corn at a 44 cent per bushel loss and the Trump administration is providing them with a 1 cent per bushel subsidy.  quote:Farmers across the United States will soon begin receiving government checks as part of a billion-dollar bailout to buoy growers experiencing financial strain from President Donald Trump's trade disputes with China.
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this sounds like an issue that would be solved by UBI
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UBI isnt going to pay the lease on the combines.
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Epic High Five posted:this sounds like an issue that would be solved by UBI At least Trumpy reduced to loss to just 43 cents per bushel. If only there was some way to invest in midwest funeral homes.
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hobbesmaster posted:UBI isnt going to pay the lease on the combines. a world with UBI is a world in which the predations of the finance sector are broken, aka a fantasy land it's tough to predict what the ag sector would look like after crops are removed from all speculation and market forces, but something like a special tier of UBI for farmers that's adjusted for their equipment and output, or even no interest government loans for farm capital, could work. This is all stuff we could do now just by redirecting taxpayer money that's already being spent on the ag sector middlemen
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etalian posted:I believe farmers are going to have to vote with their checkbook when it comes time, <narrator voice>: They didnt.
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Sep 23, 2018 17:53
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Ahahaha so they still go out of business and we get to call them welfare queens. a stunning own
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Cacafuego posted:<narrator voice>: They didnt. have to stick to the plan! TRUMP! just have to hold out until he can make his 9th dimensional chess move
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It's impossible to tell what their actual opinion is. If we've learned anything about the media and the reporters they send out, it's that they will absolutely cut out of any story anybody who is critical of Trump or the Free Market Every part of the spectrum except the fringe left is absolutely terrified of a left populist movement and will do nothing to give it oxygen, which is why there's strikes all over the place, including every teacher and educator in LA county but you aren't hearing poo poo Any farmer who says, "yeah Trump's really loving this up, that guy's gotta go" doesn't make it to print
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Ramrod Hotshot posted:It's going to own when the next Republican nominee after Trump is literally fascist Bernie Socialism for whites only would win 99% of the GOP.
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Sep 23, 2018 18:29
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Cacafuego posted:<narrator voice>: They didnt. trump isn't on the ballot, they can happily vote for their local GOP legislators who love FREE TRADE and hate BIG GOVERNMENT
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Agean90 posted:Ahahaha so they still go out of business and we get to call them welfare queens. a stunning own Also the subsidy for Trump state farmers ended up being inadequate compared to the size of the loss inflicted by things like the Chinese tariffs. lol
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Ramrod Hotshot posted:It's going to own when the next Republican nominee after Trump is literally fascist Bernie better than hilary
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Mary Annette posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/mygrams44/status/1041721023043788800 "Going to support you Mr President until I am dead" 
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quote:"If these issues haven't been resolved, there could be a change in the way farmers vote," Skunes said. "A person has to consider all things." lol
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Sep 24, 2018 03:22
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Look, every time a republican screws over their own voters at LEAST 3 or 4 of them actually catch on.
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ikanreed posted:Look, every time a republican screws over their own voters at LEAST 3 or 4 of them actually catch on. Which is funny since they do it non-stop
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Sep 24, 2018 08:15
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What happens to this trade war if Trump is not impeached nor does he resign but instead becomes Immortal Perpetual Monarch of Mankind?
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Astrochicken posted:What happens to this trade war if Trump is not impeached nor does he resign but instead becomes Immortal Perpetual Monarch of Mankind? He'll do unbelievable damage to the US economy, driving down GDP growth for years to come with his simplistic and ignorant view of macro-economics.
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Sep 24, 2018 08:47
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 the trade war is good, and easy to win
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That's true if GDP meant anything anymore. Nowadays it seems to measure the rate at which the wealthy steal, and the money that changes hands as a result
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ikanreed posted:That's true if GDP meant anything anymore. https://mobile.twitter.com/TheRickWilson/status/1044218476276133889
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Sep 24, 2018 15:47
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100% true. All the optimism about the tariffs is based in the assumption that Trump is a good business man and thus has a plan
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Sep 24, 2018 15:53
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So the GOP insiders are as stupid as we all thought they were.
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Sep 24, 2018 15:55
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LOL after the surprise election win they really believed he was magic. (He certainly is a very special boy, but not like that.)
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Agean90 posted:100% true. All the optimism about the tariffs is based in the assumption that Trump is a good business man and thus has a plan Just shows you don't have to be smart to be a big time political operative. Even the most cursory glance at the public filings for any of the Trump organizations would show there are almost no conditions where those properties can cover maintenance, debts, and produce a profit. Trump's business is the classic case of "if you owe the bank a hundred dollars, you have a problem. If you owe the bank a billion dollars, they have a problem."
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Sep 24, 2018 16:32
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Does Rosenstein fit this thread?
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This ups my sense of foreboding because it means that big time GOP operatives are dumber than I am and I'm dumb as poo poo.
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Zeroisanumber posted:This ups my sense of foreboding because it means that big time GOP operatives are dumber than I am and I'm dumb as poo poo. im sure they are, but the quote says "GOPers in focus groups" which makes me think they're talking about regular chuds being polled to hone messaging to their base
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It rules that Republicans are like "Don't blame us for voting for him, we thought that the guy with a well documented history of running the easiest business ventures on the planet into the ground repeatedly was competent because he said so"
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Sep 24, 2018 19:36
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if he was so dumb why is he so rich? owned lib
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if he was so bad at business it would've come out during the years of his hit NBC docu-series. and how could an unsuccessful businessman afford all that gold??
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oh no they actually bought that oh nooooooo
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HobbitGrease posted:oh no Hell yes d e a t h k r e w
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Talk about a butt fumble
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:when the parties fully realign around millennials its going to be "fascist bernie" vs "thomas friedman TED talk", stomping on a human face, forever nah it'll be AOC
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Shear Modulus posted:if he was so dumb why is he so rich? owned lib my ex told me that a bunch of times. she felt a rich person simply couldn't mismanage the economy or, in particular, diplomatic affairs, because they're "negotiators". and she was a nonvoting apolitical retarded starchild. anyone stupid was really vulnerable to that particular line of thinking because it is so thoroughly baked into the capitalist discourse
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