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Mr. Sunshine posted:I agree with the sentiment, but cost of living will have to be taken into account. In one of the major cities 35,000 will pay rent and a cup of coffee. When I moved to Stockholm about 8-9 years ago I made around 28k. Then I switched jobs and made 33k, which slowly grew to 35k. Now, I was very fortunate with regards to apartments, and found one through a contact where I paid the first-hand rent of just over 5000/month, and that meant I had enough for a very comfortable lifestyle with a lot of disposable income, especially when I made 35k. Sure, single young man with no commitments, but still, if there were cheap rental apartments, it would be absolutely fine. Today I make far more than that because the programming business is absolutely loving crazy and makes no sense whatsoever, I have way more money than I know what to do with and I voted V because they're the only alternative that would actually raise my taxes. Tax the gently caress out of the tech industry in general, they have monstrous revenue that they hide in tax paradises while employing basically nobody. Also: quote:Or the fact that tax income increased during Alliansen. There is an upper level on how much taxation you can do. I'm 95% certain I've seen the first assertion (tax income increased during alliansen's years in government) debunked too, let me see if I can find that.
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McCloud posted:As a plus side, this means the dissolution of blockpolitics if KD and M abandon C and L....right? This depends on what you mean by plus. Considering that L and C are closer to M and KD politically on most matters apart from immigration than ever before, and in the case of C to the right of M in economic matters, there is a rather distinct possibility that what it will get you is the strict immigration policies of SD+S+M+KD and the right wing economic policy of C+L+M+KD with SD support.
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Potrzebie posted:Is it really? That sounds waaay high. The number I can find is 307k per year or 25.6k per month. Scratch that. It's true if you're looking at full time employed people. The difference seems to be that the SCB number is adjusted for 40h/week. SCB tracks average salary for employed people as well. The national median is 30k, the average is just above 33k. The stockholm average is about 38k but i cant find the median anywhere  Anyway, hounding those who make a bit more than the average, when capital gains and property taxes are such a freebie in comparison, is not good optics for a lot of people. I certainly make more than 35k but im still turbofucked by the property market. Threadkiller Dog fucked around with this message at 14:26 on Sep 25, 2018 |
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https://arbetet.se/2018/08/27/ledare-special-sa-tommer-alliansens-skattepolitik-var-valfard/ the state tax revenue rose during alliansen's years! laffer was right!!! (except the rise in absolute numbers was entirely due to inflation and population growth, if you correct for those the tax income actually fell. of course you don't get higher tax income by lowering taxes. you idiot. you absolute moron.) The Swedish tax rate is actually very unremarkable for people around the median income - it's about average for the OECD countries. The system isn't exceptionally progressive either. All there is that makes exceptionally high income people like Cardiac froth with rage is a very high top marginal tax rate, so it's expensive for their employers to make their income even exceptionally higher. Instead we have all kinds of luxury tax breaks on services for rich people (like RUT/ROT, tax credits for electric vehicles, etc) and a very low corporate tax rate. Highest tax rates in the world tho???? 
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 OECD posted:The tax wedge is the combined central and sub-central government income tax plus employee and employer social security contribution taxes, as a percentage of labour costs defined as gross wage earnings plus employer social security contributions. The tax wedge includes cash transfers. highest tax rates in the world
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Beeswax posted:Having lived in Stockholm for 5 years while studying/temping/being unemployed, this is absolutely not true. TheFluff posted:https://arbetet.se/2018/08/27/ledare-special-sa-tommer-alliansens-skattepolitik-var-valfard/ People asking for less taxes are universally FYGM numnuts. Threadkiller Dog posted:Anyway, hounding those who make a bit more than the average, when capital gains and property taxes are such a freebie in comparison, is not good optics for a lot of people. I certainly make more than 35k but im still turbofucked by the property market. evil_bunnY fucked around with this message at 14:31 on Sep 25, 2018 |
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evil_bunnY posted:Have you given thought to the possibility that 35k buys you nothing because it all gets snapped up by people making more, and so an increase in marginal rate taxation would benefit people in that position? No idea what this is about
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evil_bunnY posted:porque no los dos friendo. I'm a single schmuck trying to save up some money dammit 
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Fox Cunning posted:Palme shot first hey I know that band
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Beeswax posted:No idea what this is about Things like interest rate payment deductions are a good example, where they reduce the state's tax income (direct effect) but also effectively act as a barrier to entry for real estate ownership (everyone pays more, so people entering the market can afford less), with the double whammy of being regressive up to a ridiculous point (richer people get more deduction by buying more expensive real estate).
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Yeah, just not sure how it relates to what I wrote. I was saying that life, even in Stockholm, is not as expensive as some would claim. 
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Stockholm City is loving cursed.
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How does Stockholm differ from København?
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Rust Martialis posted:How does Stockholm differ from København? For one. Stockholm isn't built within 30km of a nuclear power plant 
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Rust Martialis posted:How does Stockholm differ from København? Fewer Danes = better than
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Rust Martialis posted:How does Stockholm differ from København? More hills, more expensive alcohol, proper metro, less rockabilly hairdos, a lot more anxious hipsterism
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Beeswax posted:More hills Man, yeah, this place is flat. The tallest building in *Denmark* (Herlev Hospital) is a medium-sized apartment building for God's sake. Still, cycling yay. The CPH metro is ok, once they complete the ring loop. But the above-ground sections suffer from nearly zero airflow, so unless it's late-fall to early-spring, you bake. Do Swedes know how to walk in crowds? Danes just don't. Walking down Stroget, people just walk into you, stop in front of you suddenly, etc. I mean it's a nice place but some stuff stands out.
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Stockholm could really benefit from stealing Copenhagens bikepaths and christiania.
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Mata posted:Stockholm could really benefit from stealing Copenhagens bikepaths and christiania. A common comment is that Christiania really isn't what people imagine it is, any more. Gi' mig Danmark tilbage, etc.
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Rust Martialis posted:Do Swedes know how to walk in crowds? Danes just don't. Walking down Stroget, people just walk into you, stop in front of you suddenly, etc. God yes. I used to go there a lot when record stores were still a thing and this was the worst part. Rust Martialis posted:A common comment is that Christiania really isn't what people imagine it is, any more. Yeah, gangs control the trade completely now and the ambiance can be pretty oppressive sometimes. Things were much more friendly and laidback a decade ago. You can thank the Ministry of Justice.
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Yeah Stockholm is basically the worst Swedish city for biking. Drivers are real aggressive too.
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Try a Norwegian city instead. Everything's more expensive, the weather's worse, biking is harder and not highly facilitated, and public transportation, while decent if it's one of the bigger cities, is often relatively expensive. Also both the rail and road network is pretty drat fragile in general, an accident along one of the major arteries can easily cripple the traffic in an entire region, especially in the West. If you're driving then you'll get to experience some real neat misery. Randarkman fucked around with this message at 18:02 on Sep 25, 2018 |
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Randarkman posted:Try a Norwegian city instead. Everything's more expensive, the weather's worse, biking is harder and not highly facilitated, and public transportation, while decent if it's one of the bigger cities, is often relatively expensive.
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So apparently a coalition that is supported by V will not be tolerated by the parliament. That is todays lesson in politics. And Alliansens message is pretty clear in saying that S is welcome to collaborate with them. But apparently block politics is only ok if S does it. TheFluff posted:https://arbetet.se/2018/08/27/ledare-special-sa-tommer-alliansens-skattepolitik-var-valfard/ Gee, citing an editorial that blatantly accepted S lies during the election campaign. TheFluff posted:The Swedish tax rate is actually very unremarkable for people around the median income - it's about average for the OECD countries. The system isn't exceptionally progressive either. All there is that makes exceptionally high income people like Cardiac froth with rage is a very high top marginal tax rate, so it's expensive for their employers to make their income even exceptionally higher. Instead we have all kinds of luxury tax breaks on services for rich people (like RUT/ROT, tax credits for electric vehicles, etc) and a very low corporate tax rate. Highest tax rates in the world tho???? Lol of us two, you are the bourgeoise communist who can afford to vote V. And I guess I should have said income tax (where if I recall arbetsgivaravgiften is not included), which is interesting since it is a tax that your employer pays (which an employee cost both the salary +33% more). And I guess SVT are also wrong, since they questioned Löfven on exactly this during the election campaign. Cardiac fucked around with this message at 20:27 on Sep 25, 2018 |
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S arent going to be a loving support vote for the right, and they shouldn't. They have no reason not to force a settlement given the state of parliament after the final vote count. And since SD as a supporting party is the likely preferred choice more so than sharing minister seats with S this will not head to reelection unless C and L becomes so pissed they vote on the red/green budget to gently caress over SD and M.
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Cardiac posted:Gee, citing an editorial that blatantly accepted S lies during the election campaign. https://twitter.com/drbergh/status/1035138354285821952 If you don't like that either, here's another Twitter thread with a lot more numbers and details, by another economist: https://twitter.com/ptrgerlach/status/1032138809369141248 Unfortunately though that latter one is by a social democrat so it's probably FAKE NEWS too. Sad! Cardiac posted:And I guess I should have said income tax (where if I recall arbetsgivaravgiften is not included), which is interesting since it is a tax that your employer pays (which an employee cost both the salary +33% more). Another number that gets thrown around a lot is tax revenue as a percentage of GDP. It's more or less completely useless since GDP in itself is a highly problematic fictive number that pretty much means nothing. TheFluff fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Sep 25, 2018 |
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Cardiac posted:. Lol at your boss claiming you make 690k+ a year.
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As someone who moved to DK from Canada, all I know about tax rates is that after a 33% raise moving here (in absolute salary terms) I make about 7% less after taxes. I'm fine with that. The Danes who move to Malmø to pay less for expensive cars just strike me as crazy. If you stay there and have kids, they will go to Swedish schools, and the idea of their kids being/speaking Swedish just drives Danish parents craaaaaaaaaazy, based on several conversations with people here.
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That's not how marginal taxes work, but I do know that Denmark is a huge cluster gently caress with taxes. Aren't they making another new revenue service?
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Cardiac posted:Lol of us two, you are the bourgeoise communist who can afford to vote V. I dont even like V but what the gently caress does this even mean The gently caress is a better alternative for poor / working poor?
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so that means I can be a cheapskate and post about posting instead of having some wit or spending any more on comedy avs for people. Which I'm also incapable of. Comedy.
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zokie posted:That's not how marginal taxes work, but I do know that Denmark is a huge cluster gently caress with taxes. Aren't they making another new revenue service? I made more after tax in Canada than in Denmark, even after getting 33% more in salary in DK. I know full well how marginal tax rates work, thanks. DK just has a much higher top bracket rate. Plus cost-of-living in DK is higher across the board, plus MOMS. I am not complaining, I pay my taxes in the hope some goes to help those in need. I have more than enough. Do you need me to post my skattekort or was that clear enough? 
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The taxes in Sweden aren't a burden on regular people, and the problem isn't people making 20.000 kr/month versus people making 40.000 kr/month. The problem, as always and everywhere, is multi-millionaire inherited wealth assholes who cry and whine because they can't afford a third yacht, and billion-dollar companies using legal fuckery to pay exactly 0 kr in taxes.
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Dynastic wealth is abject horseshit
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Mr. Sunshine posted:The problem, as always and everywhere, is multi-millionaire inherited wealth assholes who cry and whine because they can't afford a third yacht, and billion-dollar companies using legal fuckery to pay exactly 0 kr in taxes. And the annual from house owners in the archipelago and newly posh suburbs who get upptaxerade and "can't afford to live there any more" and "have to move". Fucker, you have a gazillion kronor in home equity. Get a loan or shut up.
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Rust Martialis posted:I made more after tax in Canada than in Denmark, even after getting 33% more in salary in DK. I know full well how marginal tax rates work, thanks. DK just has a much higher top bracket rate. Plus cost-of-living in DK is higher across the board, plus MOMS. Didn't get that the income post tax was in different countries, that makes more sense 
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zokie posted:That's not how marginal taxes work, but I do know that Denmark is a huge cluster gently caress with taxes. Aren't they making another new revenue service? Seven different branches, actually, because more = better than, but they're still not meant to do anything except gently caress the working man, since the cuts haven't been rolled back. 150-200 billion are leaving the country illegitimately every year.
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SplitSoul posted:Seven different branches, actually, because more = better than, but they're still not meant to do anything except gently caress the working man, since the cuts haven't been rolled back. 150-200 billion are leaving the country illegitimately every year. look you cant fault entrepreneurial small business owners or tech giants for hiding money in overseas tax havens and you can DEFO not fault corporate lobbying from keeping these holes open because theyre whats standing between you and the commie gestapo-greens from stealing your toothbrush
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Retarded Goatee posted:look you cant fault entrepreneurial small business owners or tech giants for hiding money in overseas tax havens and you can DEFO not fault corporate lobbying from keeping these holes open because theyre whats standing between you and the commie gestapo-greens from stealing your toothbrush There was also the guy who stole 12.3 billion by simply telling the tax agency they owed him VAT back. Provided they can even successfully prosecute him in Britain, half the money goes to them. Meanwhile, if you paid too much in taxes one year and are on welfare, they will steal that poo poo automatically when you're supposed to get it back, regardless of the state of your finances. Too difficult to manage those VAT billions, though, and that billionaire seemed nice and respectable.
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