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Sep 27, 2018 16:00
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All it takes is like, what, 2 MLB Kaledioscopes? I guess only 1 MLB and 1 non-MLB if you use the Mage's Association Uniform. And I guess 0 MLB and 1 non-MLB if you use a support with a MLB.
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Sep 27, 2018 16:03
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 Edit: the waver is there just for the bond points Sefal fucked around with this message at 16:09 on Sep 27, 2018 |
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Sep 27, 2018 16:07
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Tired Moritz posted:how do you guys use spartacus for amber grinding without him blowing the gently caress up  Between Waver’s attack buff, his own buster buff, and s good CE (Sumo, Lewd Iri) he can blow up either of the first two waves reliably and with A.Blonde’s (which I’m leveling up) buster buff he can do the third instead. Basically you use him in a farming setup where the enemy dies immediately. Malachite_Dragon posted:guys. When it comes to farming fast and reliably, you use Waver.  Especially if you have not a single Kscope like me.
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Sep 27, 2018 16:08
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NRVNQSR posted:I think I'd actually say Tamamo? The problem with Helena is that people will always have a Waver friend available who'll just do the same things better. At least Tamamo does something different, even if that different thing is nearly useless for farming outside of Surfer teams.
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Sep 27, 2018 16:09
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Bond ce is what i choose to pick for farming, Waver or no.
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Sep 27, 2018 16:11
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Don't forget the Lalter CE from Journey to the West gives 15% buster boost to the party.
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Sep 27, 2018 16:20
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 Im looking for pals, I have 6 slots 774,383,502
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Sep 27, 2018 16:30
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NRVNQSR posted:I think I'd actually say Tamamo? The problem with Helena is that people will always have a Waver friend available who'll just do the same things better. At least Tamamo does something different, even if that different thing is nearly useless for farming outside of Surfer teams. The main strength of Helena over Tamamo and Waver for general farming is having an actual damaging NP to clear wave 1, assuming you wanted to go for minimum turn counts. While the NP itself is pretty potato, it's usually good enough for W1. This assumes you have the luxury of throwing on a non-MLB kscope as an equip though.
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Sep 27, 2018 16:43
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Whenever I farm chains or lanterns I usually take Helena because yeah a damaging AoE NP along with her 20% NP charge for the team is immensely useful.
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Sep 27, 2018 16:45
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UchihaHirou posted:The main strength of Helena over Tamamo and Waver for general farming is having an actual damaging NP to clear wave 1, assuming you wanted to go for minimum turn counts. While the NP itself is pretty potato, it's usually good enough for W1. This assumes you have the luxury of throwing on a non-MLB kscope as an equip though. Helena's NP is pretty good if you take an Ozzy.
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Sep 27, 2018 16:52
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Before I bond 10'd Spartacus and Helena, my generic 3t hands team was Spartacus/Imaginary Numbers, Helena/Kaleido, Erik/Imaginary Numbers, using the Mage Association MC. Admittedly, this only really works because my Helena is NP3 otherwise she'd be unreliable at wiping Rider hands, but if you have the right CEs it's not too hard to come up with hands farming teams, especially once you throw Waver and the plugsuit into the mix.
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Sep 27, 2018 16:52
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El Burbo posted:
Sent, look for Cadriel in the requests.
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Sep 27, 2018 17:01
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UchihaHirou posted:The main strength of Helena over Tamamo and Waver for general farming is having an actual damaging NP to clear wave 1, assuming you wanted to go for minimum turn counts. While the NP itself is pretty potato, it's usually good enough for W1. This assumes you have the luxury of throwing on a non-MLB kscope as an equip though. Oh, absolutely; your own Helena is great, but your friend's Helena has Chaldea Lunchtime.
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Sep 27, 2018 17:17
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Honestly from a FP perspective it's not going to matter, any FP differences between having Tamamo or Helena up compared to Waver (and eventually Merlin) is going to be so in the noise it would be imperceptible .
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Sep 27, 2018 17:20
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We have another lottery in a couple months, FP should not be a factor for at least until the middle of next year.
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Sep 27, 2018 17:22
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I went from 200k FP to 800k during this lottery so I have enough for at least a few more months.
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Sep 27, 2018 17:26
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Note to my dumbass self: you can have multiple support setups saved, you don't have to try to remember who goes where and with what after every event
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Sep 27, 2018 17:31
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a kitten posted:Note to my dumbass self: you can have multiple support setups saved, you don't have to try to remember who goes where and with what after every event
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Sep 27, 2018 17:36
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Malachite_Dragon posted:guys. support waver is like one of the easiest options for 3 turn embers, especially for me
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Sep 27, 2018 17:37
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Decided to clean out things on my friend list and I've got 10 spots open. Friend code is 218,935,371 and I'm Xain in game. Got a Max Bond CE Herc and a 6/10/10 Waver.
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Sep 27, 2018 17:43
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Farming trash waves is exactly what Helena was designed to do. AFAIK She’s the only servant out there who has a 20% NP charge and an AoE damage NP. Her 3 turn card buff even helps the other members reliably clear their turns. Her only downsides are that you need to max her NP skill to get to 20%, and that her own NP is weak enough she can sometimes have difficulty killing embers if she doesn’t get her skill 2 buff. I love Tamamo, but she brings basically nothing to the table for waveclear farming, where the focus is on how to end things in three turns, ideally while using short NPs and as few skills as possible, while keeping as much space open for other servants and CEs as possible. To that end it basically all depends on doing the math for how many Kaleidoscopes/Imaginary elements/etc you have and how many servants you have with AoE NPs and an NP charge of at least 20%. For embers you ideally want to use Berserkers so they have advantage on every class. Spartacus’s skill 2 eventually gets an NP charge through a strengthening quest, which I think makes him the only AoE berserker to do so. The other berserkers all need a mana battery like waver. Back when I only had one kaleidoscope I had to use an arts based party to make sure everyone had enough NP. It worked okay, but was prone to having accidents if you got bad cards. Malachite_Dragon posted:guys. Sadly, NP batteries are just that important for farming.
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Sep 27, 2018 17:51
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Sparda's second skill is already an NP charge.
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Sep 27, 2018 17:55
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Smh if you don't beat enemies to death individually with Cuzilla forever.
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Sep 27, 2018 18:03
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a kitten posted:Note to my dumbass self: you can have multiple support setups saved, you don't have to try to remember who goes where and with what after every event
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Sep 27, 2018 18:17
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NRVNQSR posted:I think I'd actually say Tamamo? The problem with Helena is that people will always have a Waver friend available who'll just do the same things better. At least Tamamo does something different, even if that different thing is nearly useless for farming outside of Surfer teams.
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Sep 27, 2018 18:23
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Gologle posted:Sparda's second skill is already an NP charge. Whoops, you're right, guess I was misremembering.
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Sep 27, 2018 19:46
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Bakanogami posted:Whoops, you're right, guess I was misremembering.
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Sep 27, 2018 19:51
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I opened 30 boxes and am not even close to running out of ember targets. Maybe I just haven't been farming as effectively as some of y'all since release day, but I already want another lottery!
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Sep 27, 2018 21:52
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So eventually, down the line, how many Strengthenings do Saber Gilles and Boudica need to be good silver Servants?
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Sep 27, 2018 21:52
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Gologle posted:So eventually, down the line, how many Strengthenings do Saber Gilles and Boudica need to be good silver Servants? I think Gilles could be turned into a good support if his third skill and NP were changed to benefit the party instead of just himself. Their effects are quite powerful, it's just that he hogs them all to himself and then doesn't have an offensive NP or crit skill or anything to use them with. Boudica needs another good effect to make her useless skill 1 usable at a minimum. Maybe put some crit damage up on it, since as a rider she already sucks up the crit stars from the rest of the team. The rest of her kit isn't bad so much as lackluster compared to similar servants like Mashu. Maybe give her NP a heal, and maybe a debuff cleanse there or on her skill 3? That might make her too similar to Martha, though.
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Sep 27, 2018 22:04
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Gologle posted:So eventually, down the line, how many Strengthenings do Saber Gilles and Boudica need to be good silver Servants? Gilles would instantly be viable if Saint War Order affected the whole party like it should. 100% attack up for 2 turns is pretty powerful. Replace Military Tactics with another party-wide buff and you've suddenly got a pretty good support Saber. Boudica is almost there after her two strengthenings, she just needs Oath to the Goddess replaced with something that isn't quite so utterly worthless.
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Sep 27, 2018 22:06
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Alternatively, Gilles would be super juicy if Saint War Order lasted longer. 2 turns (one of which will only get two attack cards at best) is nothing - but five turns of 100% ATK up? That you can even stack, possibly, if you have NP charge or whatever? And a 50%ish buster up? That's business right there.
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Sep 27, 2018 23:47
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I culled a dirty inactive. I got room for a Goon! Come for the MARIE, stay for the ALSO MARIE.
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Sep 28, 2018 00:29
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 you know i logged in today with every intention of swapping my saber support to NP2 Altera for Maximum Farm Action, but with Okita in that slot i apparently got a buttload of fp??? so for now she's staying there for whoever's been using the heck out of her, i guess, and i've culled a few extra slots for anyone else who wants an add!
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Sep 28, 2018 01:03
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Solovey posted:
Yeah, I dunno, people can be weird sometimes. Whenever I changed my Saber slot to Mordred with Kaleidoscope she somehow earns me less FP than Altera with Halloween Princess. I don't question it, I just give the people what they want.
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Sep 28, 2018 01:15
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Just sent requests to the both of you from Metis. My code is 517412821 but the only things to recommend me for are an almost fully levelled Ozy and Medea, whom I love.
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Sep 28, 2018 01:18
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Not everyone's farming embers. I still haven't finished Camelot.
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Sep 28, 2018 01:52
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Trihugger posted:Yeah, I dunno, people can be weird sometimes. Whenever I changed my Saber slot to Mordred with Kaleidoscope she somehow earns me less FP than Altera with Halloween Princess. I don't question it, I just give the people what they want. People seem to like my Lartoria. I guess they need to farm Archers.
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Sep 28, 2018 02:53
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Dawgstar posted:People seem to like my Lartoria. I guess they need to farm Archers. I pick Latoria on Lancer days because Arash is useless for farming hands outside of super long buff sequences that are longer than the actual farming.
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Sep 28, 2018 02:56
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