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The fact that it's still up in the air is horrible. Manchin is terrible and should never be defended.
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Sep 28, 2018 12:54
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theCalamity posted:The fact that it's still up in the air is horrible. Manchin is terrible and should never be defended. Yeah the guy is massively unqualified from top to bottom even before his rapey past came up. Manchin trying to say he should do this because his Red State Voters want him too is bullshit because his job is to vet SCOTUS appointments, not just put up whoever Trump wants. His excuse might make sense if this was some ultra right wing but otherwise clean candidate but Kavanaugh is so obviously compromised in multiple ways it makes it clean Manchin is, as usually, full of poo poo. Also imagine if there was a Republican Senator that was so blatantly working for the other team that you had Obama calling him or her up to ask for help like Bush Jr just did for Manchin.
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Sep 28, 2018 12:59
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 lmao sorry about your failure of a party bootlickers
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the kiwifarms guys trying to troll by buying ad banners is the strangest kind of owning the libs i've seen in some time
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Sep 28, 2018 17:37
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Lowtax is a job creator. He is the very backbone of our nation.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:He is the very backbone of our nation. This would actually explain a lot about the last couple years
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Gonna just leave this here. https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1045757962533457921
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Sep 28, 2018 21:11
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Gonna just leave this here. that bird really knew what it was doing when it took a poo poo on him
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Sep 28, 2018 21:13
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Gonna just leave this here. i'd get angry, but it's just so predictable. there's no low they won't support. it doesn't matter that the dems who vote to confirm this guy are supporting a racist rapist, they're our supporters of racist rapists
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Sep 28, 2018 21:14
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Perez is so terrible that I increasingly find myself baffled why Ellison ever agreed to that ridiculous arrangement where he got made deputy chair. I'd respect the guy a lot more if he'd openly said "Nah gently caress your consolation prize I'm not gonna pretend this place is anything other than a dumpster fire". Seriously, if the DNC is this bad then the Berniecrats shouldn't be legitimizing it. Seems like a repeat of Bernie holding back on his criticisms of Hillary until it was too late.
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Sep 28, 2018 21:16
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Here's someone calling into Sam Seder and saying they would literally vote for Hitler if he had a "D" next to his name. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRNAaFmNFDo lol
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Sep 28, 2018 21:17
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SCOTUS is basically the only reason to support the current Democratic party so them abdicating on even that is quite a bold strategy.
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Actually I support the abolishment of the Senate and SCOTUS, which was in the 1912 Socialist platform and seems like a necessary step to start getting "consent of the governed".
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not a cult posted:that bird really knew what it was doing when it took a poo poo on him It's funny how the guy always looks so pathetic in every screenshot I see of him. I realize that's completely unrelated to the actual dumb things he's saying and/or doing, but it's like reality itself is trying to conform to some conservative political cartoon.
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Sep 28, 2018 21:27
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Gonna just leave this here. It’s the Bernie Bros’ fault that we’re in this mess! Please do not hold the ones who are actually in power to the same heightened leveled of responsibility we place on voters!
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Sep 28, 2018 21:28
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Here's someone calling into Sam Seder and saying they would literally vote for Hitler if he had a "D" next to his name. BTW I really recommend watching this because it's literally The Trump Thread vs This Thread
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Sep 28, 2018 21:29
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:BTW I really recommend watching this because it's literally The Trump Thread vs This Thread I would but you kinda just linked a 2 and a half hour video with no timestamp
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Sep 28, 2018 22:15
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Oh poo poo, this forum ate the timestamp. it's 1:46:45. Apologies.
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theCalamity posted:It’s the Bernie Bros’ fault that we’re in this mess! Please do not hold the ones who are actually in power to the same heightened leveled of responsibility we place on voters! The frustrating thing about discussing this sort of stuff with many liberals is that they just have zero sense of how proportionality or context work; they just assume that if they integrate several technically-true things into their narrative/ideology, their narrative/ideology itself must also be true. Like in some other thread people were acting confused as to why anyone cared about Gillum's recent tweets, which completely ignores the greater context of our history of South/Central American intervention plus the question of "why would someone specifically mention only the left-associated governments" (the Ortega comment is the worst offender here, since in that case the situation doesn't even particularly stand out internationally). The question isn't "are these people/governments bad"; it's "does specifically focusing on them make sense, and what motives might there be for doing so." At the end of the day, literally every government is bad, so you can condemn pretty much anyone and be technically true in doing so. But given our history (and the extremely suggestive nature of Gillum's comments), it's naive to the point of stupidity to ignore the risks associated with such attitudes. Put another way, these are people who would have unquestionably been arguing "Are you saying Saddam isn't bad??" to anti-war activists during the prelude to the Iraq War. It comes back to something I'm repeatedly mentioned - when it comes to usually-mainstream Democratic figures they like, the logic is "this person is good until proved otherwise beyond a significant doubt," while for figures they don't support it flips to the opposite (their supporters must somehow prove that they'll do better electorally).
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Oh poo poo, this forum ate the timestamp. Ah, thanks Also lmao I thought he'd eventually get backed into a corner after a while and accidentally end up saying he'd vote for Hitler if he was a Democrat, not that being one of his starting points lol.
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Sep 28, 2018 22:33
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Seder really should have just shut that poo poo down.
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Sep 28, 2018 22:37
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"Left-wing Rep- Left-wing Democrats."
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Sep 28, 2018 22:44
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Oh poo poo, this forum ate the timestamp. Dude says he would vote for Hitler if he had a D next to his name, but wouldn’t vote Cynthia Nixon because she doesn’t have experience. The gently caress.
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Sep 29, 2018 00:12
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Gonna just leave this here. I'm not even mad. This is insanely funny. Democrats are bad y'all. Close the Trump thread and train the team sports politics posters to coupons please.
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Office Pig posted:Seder really should have just shut that poo poo down. Seder spent post primary 2016 lesser-eviling heavily for Clinton, then defending her and shouting down even more thoughtful, non-Dore critques of supporting the Dems at the time. Then he's spent all his time criticising Trump while being mostly hands off on the Dems and this is the natural progression of where that line leads. There's no way he can shout down the caller. The caller is the end result of the Trump hyberbolie and lesser evilism that Seder has partaken in.
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Kokoro Wish posted:Seder spent post primary 2016 lesser-eviling heavily for Clinton, then defending her and shouting down even more thoughtful, non-Dore critques of supporting the Dems at the time. Then he's spent all his time criticising Trump while being mostly hands off on the Dems You really haven’t listened to the show post-2016 primary if you think any of this is true.  e:  at that MR clip btw. Jeff is 100% Fulchrum.
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Sep 29, 2018 05:52
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theCalamity posted:Dude says he would vote for Hitler if he had a D next to his name, but wouldn’t vote Cynthia Nixon because she doesn’t have experience. The gently caress. he just wants hitler. he doesn't want to go left, he wants to be far right
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Actually I support the abolishment of the Senate and SCOTUS, which was in the 1912 Socialist platform and seems like a necessary step to start getting "consent of the governed". Just looked this up and god drat it's sad that it's taken over 100 years for the US to even start inching its way towards this poo poo.
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Majorian posted:You really haven’t listened to the show post-2016 primary if you think any of this is true. I used to follow Seder quite a bit pre and post 2016. I stopped at the end of 2017 somewhere when yeah, his coverage felt like it was almost entirely Trump and shouting down people who disagreed with his very Liberal preaching of lesser evil voting for Clinton. Even when they made the correct points that it was her and the campaign's fault and not the fault of people that couldn't bring themselves to vote for her that was the problem. At that point, he was coming across as incredibly bougie Lib talking down from his gentrified studio on the banks of the Gawanas Canal. Turned me off entirely. Now I'll go and catch Michael Brooks occasionally on his own show, but I don't feel like going back to the Majority Report. There are better pod casts like Citations Needed, and even Chapo Trap House that feel more worth my time.
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Kokoro Wish posted:I used to follow Seder quite a bit pre and post 2016. I stopped at the end of 2017 somewhere when yeah, his coverage felt like it was almost entirely Trump and shouting down people who disagreed with his very Liberal preaching of lesser evil voting for Clinton. Even when they made the correct points that it was her and the campaign's fault and not the fault of people that couldn't bring themselves to vote for her that was the problem. At that point, he was coming across as incredibly bougie Lib talking down from his gentrified studio on the banks of the Gawanas Canal. ...no, seriously, what you’re saying here is just flat-out untrue. I listen to the show pretty much every morning at work. Seder spends way more time (rightfully) lambasting shitlibs than he does criticizing leftists who didn’t turn out for Clinton. Pretty much the only time he punches left is when it comes to idiots like Jimmy Dore. e: like, I get liking Michael and Jamie more than Sam. Their politics match mine more than his do as well. But if what you’re saying is true, it seems a little odd that those two would still be on the show at all. Sam doesn’t seem to say much on the Hillary front that the other two disagree with. Majorian fucked around with this message at 11:27 on Sep 29, 2018 |
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Sep 29, 2018 10:55
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 imagine writing this article imagine having to remind centrists that bush is not a loveable former president who the obamas love to hang out with and hug, but a loving monster
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Sep 29, 2018 22:06
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theCalamity posted:Dude says he would vote for Hitler if he had a D next to his name, but wouldn’t vote Cynthia Nixon because she doesn’t have experience. The gently caress. Refrigerator's out, so the yellow flags all turned brown. Vaporwave Lenin Was Correct.
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Condiv posted:imagine having to remind centrists that bush is not a loveable former president who the obamas love to hang out with and hug, but a loving monster It makes sense. The Iraqi dead have been rendered faceless and nameless by our society, a statistical footnote in a history book at best and a thing to be celebrated at worst. Whereas Bush has been rendered as a kind old man who paints and gives cough drops to Michelle at funerals by the media. We empathize with what we see - and Bush is seen, while the Iraqi people are unseen. There's a little bit of a trap here for leftists too. A lot of people see that the Iraq and Afghanistan wars are now unpopular and assume that this is good for leftism, but the reality is that for most people, they were "bad" in purely selfish terms, i.e. it was a waste of our time/resources, America should be isolationist, over there isn't our problem. Nobody actually gives a poo poo about the colonialism, war crimes, the death and destruction we were responsible for, or doing anything to try and remedy that, that doesn't involve more bombs and bullets. So people are basically incapable of seeing Bush as the monster that he is, because that would require owning up to the idea that we were culpable in his wrong-doing. It's easier to dismiss him as incompetent or inept, that the wars were mistakes, because that means we aren't responsible for them - and then neither is Bush. Edit: I guess what I'm saying is not only is it good that this article exists, but it needed to be written a long time ago and it needs to be regularly repeated because "the average American no longer approves of Iraq" never meant "the average American was morally opposed to war in Iraq/the Bush Administration." Lightning Knight fucked around with this message at 22:52 on Sep 29, 2018 |
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Condiv posted:
The take making the rounds amongst centrists is basically comparing Syria to Iraq and saying that invading Iraq made it a better place
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Lightning Knight posted:It makes sense. The Iraqi dead have been rendered faceless and nameless by our society, a statistical footnote in a history book at best and a thing to be celebrated at worst. Whereas Bush has been rendered as a kind old man who paints and gives cough drops to Michelle at funerals by the media. We empathize with what we see - and Bush is seen, while the Iraqi people are unseen. It also, of course, doesn't help that shitlibs are all too happy to welcome the Bill Kristols and David Frums of the world into the #Resistance. Because they may agree with 99% of Trump's agenda, but at least we can agree that he uses a lot of very intemperate language in pursuing it.
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Lightning Knight posted:It makes sense. The Iraqi dead have been rendered faceless and nameless by our society, a statistical footnote in a history book at best and a thing to be celebrated at worst. Whereas Bush has been rendered as a kind old man who paints and gives cough drops to Michelle at funerals by the media. We empathize with what we see - and Bush is seen, while the Iraqi people are unseen. For some reason this reminded me of a segment from Ken Burns' recent Vietnam series that, while it had some problems, had an absolutely chilling interview scene where a woman recollected threatening to shoot a friend of her deceased son's that had come by her home to ask if she wanted to join in the protests they were doing - I say 'chilling' because she gave off the extremely strong vibe of standing by that threat even decades later.
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Oh Snapple! posted:For some reason this reminded me of a segment from Ken Burns' recent Vietnam series that, while it had some problems, had an absolutely chilling interview scene where a woman recollected threatening to shoot a friend of her deceased son's that had come by her home to ask if she wanted to join in the protests they were doing - I say 'chilling' because she gave off the extremely strong vibe of standing by that threat even decades later. She’s a loving chud, but her son had just been killed who the gently caress thinks it was good idea to recruit someone who just lost her son, and from her words in a rather callous way.
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Oh Snapple! posted:For some reason this reminded me of a segment from Ken Burns' recent Vietnam series that, while it had some problems, had an absolutely chilling interview scene where a woman recollected threatening to shoot a friend of her deceased son's that had come by her home to ask if she wanted to join in the protests they were doing - I say 'chilling' because she gave off the extremely strong vibe of standing by that threat even decades later. Yeah. I'm not surprised. Everything I wrote also applies to Vietnam, hence why John McCain is viewed as a martyr for decorum rather than the war criminal he was.
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