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Tubgoat posted:Rereading more carefully the post you were replying to, I see now you were specifically talking about shootings and not suicide in general. That is my bad. Probably an oversimplification on my part, then, though alienation is still the culprit, I believe, even if the shooter was a narcissist or entitled. I kinda feel alienation, narcissism and entitlement are all kind of the same thing in the context of how capitalism teaches people to completely disregard everyone but themselves and their own success and fulfilment while also hammering home they can never be truly fulfilled because money needs to be spent to feed the bottomless pit.
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I feel at that point, narcissim and entitlement become so broadly defined as to become meaningless. Hell, "mental illness" is the state of not being cool staring down a lifetime of, best case, indentured servitude. Meanwhile in the real world where humans and not monsters live, mental illness is supporting and celebrating a system that is literally destroying all of humanity by turning its carefully-selected-for altruism into a liability. https://dungherder.wordpress.com/2018/02/16/the-cure-for-america-something-to-believe-in/ One interesting note: when this was published, America hadn't yet come out publicly and admitted to the suppression of climate science. It seems to me that if shouting fire in a crowded theater is not protected speech, that knowingly shaping policy toward causing massive irreparable harm to human lives and the environment ought not be protected speech either. It'd be the equivalent of barricading from the outside the doors to a burning theater as burning victims shriek and choke and firefighters attempt to approach the building, only to have their engines sabotaged by the arsonists who've taken out massive insurance policies on the building and everyone they've trapped inside.
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punk rebel ecks posted:This is a phenomenal post. Thank you. if I end up voting Avenatti it will be because the democrats failed to put up anyone that could clear the bar of "not poo poo on policy and is willing treat the GOP as an enemy" if Bernie doesn't run I will probably end up voting for Avernatti
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The Nastier Nate posted:if I end up voting
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Tubgoat posted:I had a longer, nastier effortpost on deck, but I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you've just absorbed too much capitalist propaganda and instead of impugning your character, will simply assure you that it's alienation, ultimately, 100% of the time, regardless of how you feel about that person or their lot in life. iirc academic sociology was born out of trying to explain the massive rise in suicide during the industrial revolution by durkheim
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The Nastier Nate posted:if I end up voting Avenatti it will be because the democrats failed to put up anyone that could clear the bar of "not poo poo on policy and is willing treat the GOP as an enemy" if the choice is between avenatti and other shitlibs just dont loving vote. liberal democracy is dead
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I'm looking forward to an Avenatti run because 1) He gets court-packing into the national dialog; 2) It'll be funny to see him make fun of the even worse candidates; and 3) I'm genuinely curious how the idiot libs on twitter break for/against him. On one hand, he's a slimeball white dude, on the other, he does epic owns on Drumpf and loudly believes the poo poo out of women on twitter E: just to clarify, I will not be voting for the Bastaman under any circumstances, but I do hope he runs and at least gets to one debate.
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:if the choice is between avenatti and other shitlibs just dont loving vote. liberal democracy is dead gotta vote one last time to really put the stake through the heart tho
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:if the choice is between avenatti and other shitlibs just dont loving vote. liberal democracy is dead better start organizing a militia then, cause he's gonna win https://twitter.com/MichaelAvenatti...ingawful.com%2F
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Stairmaster posted:Why not just kill middle management if you can't kill the billionaires I was an armed guard for a CEO once. The reason he had me was because the line supervisors were getting killed/stabbed in the parking lot of the factories with surprising regularity. Also, billionares have literal SEAL teams for security.
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Agean90 posted:better start organizing a militia then, cause he's gonna win bernie will win
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:bernie will win bernie is the only leader the american people trust. so he will win. in fact he has already won, and will win 538-0
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:bernie will win i mean in the sense that he'll be dead before any of us sure (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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But Rocks Hurt Head posted:I'm looking forward to an Avenatti run because 1) He gets court-packing into the national dialog; 2) It'll be funny to see him make fun of the even worse candidates; and 3) I'm genuinely curious how the idiot libs on twitter break for/against him. On one hand, he's a slimeball white dude, on the other, he does epic owns on Drumpf and loudly believes the poo poo out of women on twitter theyre just going to treat him like they treated candidates like kucinich and ron paul in the past; ie completely ignore him and just laugh and change the subject when he brings up stuff like court packing
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Il Federale posted:theyre just going to treat him like they treated candidates like kucinich and ron paul in the past; ie completely ignore him and just laugh and change the subject when he brings up stuff like court packing this is such pre-escalator thinking
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gradenko_2000 posted:this is such pre-escalator thinking and the dems have sure proved theyve moved past that
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zegermans posted:i mean in the sense that he'll be dead before any of us sure god dammit yeah
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Il Federale posted:and the dems have sure proved theyve moved past that good to be in the days when party apparatus means more than viral media exposure
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Il Federale posted:theyre just going to treat him like they treated candidates like kucinich and ron paul in the past; ie completely ignore him and just laugh and change the subject when he brings up stuff like court packing did you already forget when #Basta showed up at DNC meetings (having almost certainly been invited) and paraded around in front of the reporters while all the superdelegates publicly fawned on him
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Il Federale posted:theyre just going to treat him like they treated candidates like kucinich and ron paul in the past; ie completely ignore him and just laugh and change the subject when he brings up stuff like court packing I'm 0% on the Avvenatti train but they aren't going to be able to ignore him since he generates his own press.
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Let you who among you, would not sleep with a man 30 years older than you to advance your career, cast the first stone
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Terror Sweat posted:smh at all you people forgetting James hodgkinson Tubgoat posted:
 .Eta: I would sleep with a man 30 years my senior to advance my career, but the only way I'm having sex with him is if he happens to have the body of an attractive person with solely female sex characteristics. Tubgoat fucked around with this message at 15:53 on Oct 1, 2018 |
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Terror Sweat posted:smh at all you people forgetting James hodgkinson he's watching the skies with dorner now
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https://twitter.com/jmartNYT/status/1046768533491908609 WARREN
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The Nastier Nate posted:The problem isn't the dem establishment...it's the voters there's enough blame for both
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World War Mammories posted:he's watching the skies with dorner now 
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Agean90 posted:https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1046766200234147840 I keep waffling on weather if Chris Hedges is too pessimistic for calling electoral politics a dead end or too optimistic for saying that genuine change is possible without our politicians living in fear of an angry mob tearing their limbs from their bodies.
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Tubgoat posted:...that knowingly shaping policy toward causing massive irreparable harm... You're only gonna get the dumb people who can't play dumb Like Kavanaugh who can't say "I can't recall" like Sessions Hell guilty or not it's the most damning thing to see from someone in law trying to get on the supreme court to be too dumb to say "I don't remember" instead of straightup "I NEVER DID THAT, HAVE A CALENDAR!"
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To further expand, the people who comprise the Democratic establishment or either ideologically committed to neoliberalism, and are therefore bad, or if they are amenable to approaching a Social Democratic platform in response to the sentiment of their voters, they they are careerist, and are therefore bad. Which is to say, expecting any change to come from the top is a hopeless Endeavor, and any change must come from the voters, and therefore radicalizing the voters is the problem to be solved
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:To further expand, the people who comprise the Democratic establishment or either ideologically committed to neoliberalism, and are therefore bad, or if they are amenable to approaching a Social Democratic platform in response to the sentiment of their voters, they they are careerist, and are therefore bad. basta
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