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Robindaybird posted:Could we just do away with the concept of 'your true love is the first guy you locked eyes with'? There has to be some weird old folk tale about this being insisted on so much that the young lady stabs her eyes out.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I keep telling yas that romantic comedies and cartoon subplots have done way worse in warping young people's ideas of relationships than porn ever could. And I keep thinking you're wrong because as romantic comedies have died and porn has become omnipresent, young people have not become emotionally healthier in any readily identifiable way.
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# ? Oct 1, 2018 06:57 |
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Now they learn from memes, that's why.
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# ? Oct 1, 2018 07:02 |
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Any love outside of marriage is warped and sinful. Mu wives and I are perfectly happy in our desert compound.
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Pick posted:And I keep thinking you're wrong because as romantic comedies have died and porn has become omnipresent, young people have not become emotionally healthier in any readily identifiable way. And I keep telling EVERYONE that all movies (including both romantic comedies and pornographic ones) are a reflection of society as a whole and that rather than simply teaching lessons they reinforce ideals that are already prevalent in our culture and that we must figure out WHY these ideals exist before we can improve things in any meaningful way! Which in turn leads to people telling ME "Ma'am, this is a Cracker Barrel, please stop yelling at the customers"! ....wait, what was the question?
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Das Boo posted:There has to be some weird old folk tale about this being insisted on so much that the young lady stabs her eyes out. And then the rest of the story becomes some dude going out on a quest to find her eyes/magical replacements, and ends with her ironically falling in love with him at first sight. Or stabbing the hell out of him. It could really go either way.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:And I keep telling EVERYONE that all movies (including both romantic comedies and pornographic ones) are a reflection of society as a whole and that rather than simply teaching lessons they reinforce ideals that are already prevalent in our culture and that we must figure out WHY these ideals exist before we can improve things in any meaningful way! Which in turn leads to people telling ME "Ma'am, this is a Cracker Barrel, please stop yelling at the customers"! You joke, I know, but as a librarian (even though I'll probably never be a curator of children's materials) I do think it is important that we think about what the kids are watching, why they like it, and what they take away from the movie, as well as what the movie is trying to teach. And such a thought process can be painful sometimes, because it can lead to the realization that the stuff you loved as a child yourself had deeply harmful, regressive messaging you didn't even notice until you thought about it. I, for example, love Boy Meets World growing up; it was part of TGIF and to me it was funny... but if I had a child, I wouldn't show it to them at the same age, because I don't want them getting the idea that they're a failure who will never find love if the don't find their "soul mate" in high school. There are also issues with political strawmanning, ageism, and the annoyingly centrist politics that television sitcoms were mired in at the time, but it isn't an animated feature so let's cut that off here... But yes, that largely is why I've stayed away from HT and other animated features, because they provide a recidivist, unrealistic, and even morally repugnant idea of relationships or family values (I will kill you, Despicable Me 2...) and I do not wish to support that. (This, by the by, is another point in Smallfoot's favor: no romance. There's a crush, but it's never portrayed as that important and is pretty well forgotten when things pick up.)
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# ? Oct 1, 2018 14:10 |
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Despicable Me 2 is such a loving regressive film it still astounds me.
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# ? Oct 1, 2018 15:19 |
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I don't think any media is ever really going to get healthy relationships completely right because they don't really make good entertainment. Real life healthy relationships are all about boredom, and that's not a bad thing. Most people outside of war zones and other horrible places probably spend 90% of their time being bored. The secret to a good relationship is finding someone you're okay being bored with. Someone you can fold laundry with on a Sunday morning or shop for blinds on a Tuesday afternoon. Movies and television compulsively focus on the beginning of relationships because that's the part that's new and exciting and so people get this idea that the whole relationship is supposed to be like that and when it's not they think there's something wrong with them or their partner and they try to inject drama into things. We need to teach kids that entertainment is entertainment, and has no real bearing on our real lives.
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# ? Oct 1, 2018 15:42 |
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Good relationships aren’t boring wtf
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# ? Oct 1, 2018 15:44 |
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Of course they are. You should want them to be. I just spent the past four months helping my wife recover from brain surgery. It was all terribly exciting and I hope I never have to go through anything like it again. Boring is the best.
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# ? Oct 1, 2018 15:48 |
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A lot of people crave drama and conflict in their lives, and they are absolutely horrible people to be around and make themselves miserable all the time.
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# ? Oct 1, 2018 15:53 |
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and nurturing is boring to you, huh
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# ? Oct 1, 2018 15:54 |
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It's sick and horrific that you think that the axis of interest runs from "boring ---------------- teenagers yelling"
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I suspect y'all are just using the word differently. Peaceful and boring aren't the same thing. It's an especially hard distinction to draw in fiction, though, because the experience of peacefulness isn't boring but the depiction of peacefulness usually is, or at least it has to work way harder not to be.
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Barudak posted:Despicable Me 2 is such a loving regressive film it still astounds me. Especially when not just the first film, but it’s own opening, totally contradicts it’s “single parents are incapable” message.
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Barudak posted:Despicable Me 2 is such a loving regressive film it still astounds me. It's foul.
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Phylodox posted:I don't think any media is ever really going to get healthy relationships completely right because they don't really make good entertainment. Real life healthy relationships are all about boredom, and that's not a bad thing. Most people outside of war zones and other horrible places probably spend 90% of their time being bored. The secret to a good relationship is finding someone you're okay being bored with. Someone you can fold laundry with on a Sunday morning or shop for blinds on a Tuesday afternoon. Movies and television compulsively focus on the beginning of relationships because that's the part that's new and exciting and so people get this idea that the whole relationship is supposed to be like that and when it's not they think there's something wrong with them or their partner and they try to inject drama into things. That last point is particularly salient and a hard agree from me, but I have a feeling things are only going further in the opposite direction.
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Pick posted:and nurturing is boring to you, huh Is it exciting? Would you watch a half-hour TV show about it? Life is boring. If you’re doing it right, at least. Life is doing the dishes and going to work and going shopping for healthy foods that aren’t too bland. Life is sitting on the couch and reading Internet forums. Life is worrying about budgets and taxes. The really exciting bits are only a small fraction of that. So, if you’re with someone you can only stand during those tiny fractions, how long do you think you’ll be happy together? A good relationship isn’t about finding someone who bores you, it’s about finding someone who you can be bored with.
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# ? Oct 1, 2018 17:03 |
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You can still portray conflict and drama within the context of healthy relationships. Not that that's all that should ever be portrayed, but that's outside the scope of this conversation (and should probably be outside the scope of kids' media as well). An example that immediately comes to mind because my kids just discovered it is My Neighbor Totoro. Not every movie can or should be like that, because it's ridiculously chill, but the characters all treat each other really well. The stresses of life eventually cause some tension and outbursts that need to get resolved, but their relationships are still about as healthy as can be expected.
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# ? Oct 1, 2018 17:58 |
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I honestly love The Mummy Returns because Rick and Evie are a happily married couple who had some bickering, but they're in it together and are a healthy couple. Especially given so many movies in the same genre would break up the couple to have them fall in love again (National Treasure), or have the hero move onto the next girl (Indiana Jones, James Bond, etc) in the sequel.
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# ? Oct 1, 2018 18:55 |
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Now, in fairness, Indy and Marion got back together in the end.
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# ? Oct 1, 2018 20:04 |
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There are plenty of shows that have happily married main characters (Parks and Recreation, Brooklyn Nine Nine, the first few seasons of the Simpsons) that still manage to be extremely entertaining. The characters have a good dynamic and they work to overcome problems together (because being in a healthy relationship doesn't mean everything issue in your life is solved forever). Honestly, I find the opposite situation to be much more annoying, were you have characters in a clearly toxic relationship (Rick and Morty, a disturbing amount of mid-2000 sitcoms, later seasons of The Simpsons) and they keep fighting about the same things over and over again and there's no reason for them to stay together yet they do and it's VERY boring and unpleasant to watch.
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# ? Oct 1, 2018 20:18 |
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I feel like Rick and Morty is better than usual for the trope you don't like; the family dynamic is honestly pretty well-thought-out and consistent, and there's a clear and I believe directly stated reason (Morty's well-being) why the family sticks together. e: Also, Beth and Jerry don't fight often, so much as their personalities clash hard and they don't actually like being around each other. It's a depressing situation, definitely, but it's one that's pretty relatable.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Honestly, I find the opposite situation to be much more annoying, were you have characters in a clearly toxic relationship (Rick and Morty, a disturbing amount of mid-2000 sitcoms, later seasons of The Simpsons) and they keep fighting about the same things over and over again and there's no reason for them to stay together yet they do and it's VERY boring and unpleasant to watch. I've rewatched Friends a number of times and I'm sure a lot of kids learned some bad lessons about relationships from watching Ross and Rachel emotionally abuse each other for years.
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# ? Oct 1, 2018 20:37 |
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Friends was training in sociopathy
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# ? Oct 1, 2018 20:38 |
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Let's not forget the sheer amount of "My wife the battleaxe", and "The Ol' Ball of Chain" jokes that's been around since at least the 1920s if not way earlier, and even to the point you can get wedding cake toppers of the bride dragging the groom, or even have him tied up. There's way too much culture baggage that every woman should and must get married and it's their ultimate goal in life, and while every man must settle down, but marriage means the end of fun times and must be put off as long as possible.
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# ? Oct 1, 2018 20:52 |
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Being tied up is the beginning of the fun.
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# ? Oct 1, 2018 21:19 |
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Harvey Birdman Attorney at Law is coming back as a special on adult swim (its animated, and a special is sorta like a movie...) In terms of joke density that show was up there with Arrested Development, only packed into 11 minutes. It'll be interesting to see if it can work as a standalone special and how many callbacks it'll include. Hopefully it wont be as disappointing as Arrested Development's comeback.
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:I feel like Rick and Morty is better than usual for the trope you don't like; the family dynamic is honestly pretty well-thought-out and consistent, and there's a clear and I believe directly stated reason (Morty's well-being) why the family sticks together. Yeah, in fairness to Rick and Morty: it's really only the first two seasons that have the tired bad marriage dynamic and it mostly just stands out because the rest series is so good. In the third season Beth and Jerry actually do get divorced and only get back together after working on their own issues separately for a while, which lead to some great episodes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avbFUPZRPOU Robindaybird posted:Let's not forget the sheer amount of "My wife the battleaxe", and "The Ol' Ball of Chain" jokes that's been around since at least the 1920s if not way earlier, and even to the point you can get wedding cake toppers of the bride dragging the groom, or even have him tied up. God, those jokes get more and more depressing the more you think about them. Entire generations of people were (and often still are) stuck in bad or downright abusive relationships for potentially their entire lives because that was what society demanded and they couldn't imagine living any other way. EDIT: Ccs posted:Harvey Birdman Attorney at Law is coming back as a special on adult swim (its animated, and a special is sorta like a movie...) Oh HELL yes! Even if it ends up being bad, this gives me an excuse to go back and watch the entire series so I count this as a win for me. I suggest everyone else do the same, that show was great. Space Cadet Omoly fucked around with this message at 21:55 on Oct 1, 2018 |
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Blackwatch Plaid too real.
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# ? Oct 1, 2018 22:08 |
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Blackwatch Plaid and Sebben & Sebben New Employee Orientation are my all time favorite episodes.
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# ? Oct 1, 2018 22:11 |
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Good call, those are the best two.
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# ? Oct 1, 2018 22:24 |
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Play the PS2 game if you havent. Its an absolute joy and the best Phoenix Wright game
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Robindaybird posted:Let's not forget the sheer amount of "My wife the battleaxe", and "The Ol' Ball of Chain" jokes that's been around since at least the 1920s if not way earlier, and even to the point you can get wedding cake toppers of the bride dragging the groom, or even have him tied up.
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# ? Oct 2, 2018 00:07 |
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Harvey playing tubular bells on the wine glasses might be the hardest I’ve ever laughed at a TV show.
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resurgam40 posted:I just got back from Smallfoot, in a matinee showing with me and like two other people with a kid (because it was a nice day outside and everyone apparently wants to take walks or play outside during those). And yeah, it was cute! Unfortunately, this probably won't do too well with Venom dropping this weekend. Didn't Sony do Smallfoot? If so, they apparently didn't have much confidence in it.
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# ? Oct 2, 2018 01:40 |
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Okay, so I've watched 3 episodes of Harvey Birdman so far and they all hold up, the jokes are hilarious and I STRONGLY recommend this show.
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# ? Oct 2, 2018 01:45 |
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and as Space Cadet Omoly commented, the jokes were definitely understandable in the era before Divorce became both simpler and socially acceptable - and when women weren't completely loving screwed by the system (Las Vegas got it's kickstart due to being in a state with lax divorce laws that didn't entirely throw women out into the cold , the casinos and quickie wedding chapels came later). And even then, you have - especially among Catholic-dominated communities - a stigma against divorcees for being bad parents, selfish, and oathbreakers - and that they didn't 'try hard enough', it really wasn't until the 1970s that Divorce stopped becoming a dirty word in the mainstream. What's depressing is this idea continues on to this very day, where a lot of family Sitcoms end up with the couple absolutely hating each other's guts, but divorce is never on the table, or that the men are basically obnoxious manchildren, and the wife always has to put up with it and being the responsible person and no one really comments on how unfair that dynamic is. But yeah, as I've gotten older, I've learned to really despise that kind of humor.
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ThermoPhysical posted:Didn't Sony do Smallfoot? If so, they apparently didn't have much confidence in it. Smallfoot is Warner Bros and I've heard surprisingly good things about it
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