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joepinetree
Apr 5, 2012
I mean, in terms of domestic policy, even the average centrist democrat in the US is more radical than PT. PT's program has very little in terms of making the tax code more progressive, for example. The only area where PT is substantially to the left of the American establishment is in foreign policy (which explains why Obama was at best complicit with the 2016 coup). But domestically, what sets PT apart from the rest is that PT is in favor of some additional social spending at the margins and the expansion of labor rights. Which explains why, in the minds of the Brazilian middle class and above, not being able to have a maid work 12 hours on sunday for the same salary for years is a sign of cultural marxism.

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Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Plutonis posted:

That's why Bolsonaro made a loving psychopath general his running mate as well lol

if theres one thing thats never failed in this life its brinkmanship

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014




i wonder what the campaign strategy is going to be :thunk:

joepinetree
Apr 5, 2012

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:



i wonder what the campaign strategy is going to be :thunk:

Well, at least Manuela appears on this one.

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:



i wonder what the campaign strategy is going to be :thunk:

it's gonna be greatr

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005


what brazilian starts a dance with an ironic disco move

Ramrod Hotshot
May 30, 2003

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:



i wonder what the campaign strategy is going to be :thunk:

"Haddad is Lula"?

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


Ramrod Hotshot posted:

"Haddad is Lula"?

dont know any portuguese but guessing off spanish its probably "and"

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

dont know any portuguese but guessing off spanish its probably "and"

No, he's right, É with the accent mark mean is. Basically the purpose is to latch Haddad at Lula's image as much as possible.

Kanthulhu
Apr 8, 2009
NO ONE SPOIL GAME OF THRONES FOR ME!

IF SOMEONE TELLS ME THAT OBERYN MARTELL AND THE MOUNTAIN DIE THIS SEASON, I'M GOING TO BE PISSED.

BUT NOT HALF AS PISSED AS I'D BE IF SOMEONE WERE TO SPOIL VARYS KILLING A LANISTER!!!


(Dany shits in a field)
This election is awesome. I don't think the fascist is going to win and a lot of nice things are being produced like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTvSL6GHOTM

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

It's been refreshing to see opposition against him flare up and get momentum. I went to an Alceu Valença show this saturday and there was a big rear end protest after where they changed Lula Livre and Ele (Bolsonaro) Não

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://twitter.com/CLEUCl/status/1044689774462865408

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:



i wonder what the campaign strategy is going to be :thunk:

It's a good strategy but also lol at the last 10 seconds of this video:

https://twitter.com/ptbrasil/status/1044645967583162368

é Lula, é Haddad, é Haddad é Lula, é Lula Haddad (é 13)

Ramrod Hotshot
May 30, 2003

Badger of Basra posted:

It's a good strategy but also lol at the last 10 seconds of this video:

https://twitter.com/ptbrasil/status/1044645967583162368

é Lula, é Haddad, é Haddad é Lula, é Lula Haddad (é 13)

eesh

I feel like this is going to backfire

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

i mean if Lula was allowed to run he would be a big favorite to win so it doesn't seem that bad of an idea

it's how Dilma won twice

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 25 days!)


this is gonna boost him in the polls

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


https://twitter.com/ReutersWorld/status/1045801864946741249

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010



Coup soon stalker

Metal Cat
Dec 25, 2017

Metal Cat has issued a correction as of 05:17 on Oct 8, 2021

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 25 days!)

There's no consensus, you just have to beat them.

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Consensus is a liberal brian virus. There has never been and never will be complete consensus on anything. There is only the seizure, protection, and execution of power.

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Big rear end protests against the guy this saturday, tiny ones in favor of him this sunday. Sad!

Kurnugia
Sep 2, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

Larry Parrish posted:

Consensus is a liberal brian virus. There has never been and never will be complete consensus on anything. There is only the seizure, protection, and execution of power.

you mean the demand for absolute consensus. consensus is the end product of democracy, demanding absolute consensus is the tactic to deny consensus. much like the principle that our leaders ought be the most righteous and compassionate of those they lead, yet libs constantly accuse socialist leaders of moral offenses on a regular basis as an excuse to deny giving power of the leaders of the working classes. consensus is the prequisite of socialist power, the better we can establish consensus, more power the socialist movement can hold. which is the main reason I believe neural interfaces will not only allow an entirely new kind of socialist movement to arise, but that without the technological telepathy enabled by them, communism cannot be established

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 25 days!)

Plutonis posted:

Big rear end protests against the guy this saturday, tiny ones in favor of him this sunday. Sad!

Failsonaro

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

didn't he get stabbed? what happened to that, did he just recover really quickly?

A Gnarlacious Bro
Apr 25, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Dude didn't stab him that hard unfortch

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Metal Cat posted:

I keep remembering that Vox article about an "epistemic crisis", and that stuff is scary because it affects societies in a completely worldwide scale. How the gently caress can you have a healthy democracy when bolsominions genuinely believe that a magazine was paid R$600 million to do a hit piece on Bolsonaro? And you can see how that mutates in real time, the talking points magically evolve to "no, it was distributed to all mainstream media outlets" and "well, this would be paid over a period of 4 years by the Establishment".

It's genuinely scary to think that so many people don't even occupy the same reality, and in an incredibly virulent way as well. Everything is a conspiracy, everyone that disagrees is brainwashed. This rear end in a top hat says he can't accept a loss, but if he wins he won't even bring this up. His supporters consider the validity of something only if it shows him in a positive fashion.

For example, to this day there's at least 15% of americans that genuinely think Obama is a muslim. How can someone even reach a consensus of basic facts with this kind of people? :psyduck:
this is a contradiction exposing itself. in some societies this would lead to war as a way of resolving it but the solution would hopefully fall short of that.

what's really eerie is reading about la violencia in colombia in the 1950s and the parallels to today.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

There's no consensus, you just have to beat them.
yeah

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


nice article and interview with manuela

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/10/manuela-davila-pcdob-brazil-election-pt-haddad-lula

Metal Cat
Dec 25, 2017

Metal Cat has issued a correction as of 05:19 on Oct 8, 2021

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

I've lost twice, I've failed twice and I've gotten two dishonorable mentions within 7 weeks. But I keep coming back. I am The Trooper!

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021


Well, gently caress.

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

extremely cool that every PT candidate gets the targeted defamation campaign refocused on them when they become popular.

speaking of, is Gleisi popular? I see her in a bunch of videos the PT posts on twitter but I feel like I never see her mentioned in the news.

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


https://twitter.com/Vinncent/status/1047498115228610561

Catboy Autonomist
Jun 23, 2018

IS IT SUPWISING THAT PWISONS WESEMBWE FACTOWIES, SCHOOWS, WHICH AWW WESEMBWE PWISONS?
Are there any good English-language Brazillian news sites that I can use to follow what the hell is going on right now?

Kunster
Dec 24, 2006

BrasilWire and The Intercept.

Ramrod Hotshot
May 30, 2003

Catboy Autonomist posted:

Are there any good English-language Brazillian news sites that I can use to follow what the hell is going on right now?

Probably not the Atlantic:

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/10/bolsonaro-brazil-election-trump/572365/

Wherein we pretend PT hasn't been out of power for two and a half years and replaced by right wing kleptocrats who are also indicted for corruption

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

seeing brazilian markets go up over 2% the day after lula was found guilty was the most blatantly disgusting thing i've seen

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

Ramrod Hotshot posted:

Probably not the Atlantic:

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/10/bolsonaro-brazil-election-trump/572365/

Wherein we pretend PT hasn't been out of power for two and a half years and replaced by right wing kleptocrats who are also indicted for corruption

holy cow

someone who had read only this about the election would think lula was still president

spivak
May 19, 2010
Bolsonaro's running mate just compliment the good looks of his grandson by praising the whitening of the population. Like, those were his actual words.

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joepinetree
Apr 5, 2012
In line to vote at my Brazilian consulate . Never seen a line this long, I'd say 80% bozo voters. They are openly campaigning for him here, and the Globo people covering this are joining them, asking for pictures and all that.

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