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Epic High Five posted:there is no more disgusting a human in times like these than a self-professed "independent"
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Shaffness posted:I'm pretty much this but there hasn't been a republican worth voting for since my mom was born in the 50s. I just vote for the closest thing to a socialist during the primary and then the left most Democrat on the ballot during the general. I live near Seattle so my districts often have 2 D's running against each other. For Senate races I just hold my nose and vote for Cantwell and Murray, they're definitely SUCC but a couple of the least worst. those two are definitely so deeply into the succ zone they should be primaried by literally anyone willing to call themselves a socialist
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Oct 5, 2018 15:42
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Dead Beef posted:these days "independent" usually means a Republican who is smart enough to be embarrassed by Donald Trump but still lovely enough to be a Republican people keep repeating this because it might've been true in the 2004 election kinda sorta maybe but in 2016 independents split fairly evenly  e: and here's 2016 exist polls H.P. Hovercraft has issued a correction as of 16:47 on Oct 5, 2018 |
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Oct 5, 2018 16:43
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AkumaHokoru posted:if only someone could explain this to morning joe who keeps screaming for democrats to find a message that will appeal to these chuds morning joe was literallu a republican senator
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Oct 5, 2018 17:47
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never understood the strategy to be more like the republicans to court the independents. why wouldn't they just vote republican in the first place if what they want are republican policies?
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Oct 5, 2018 17:50
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SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:morning joe was literallu a republican senator he also complains about the current state of the republican party and goes out of his way to let people know he no longer considers himself a republican.
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Suspicious posted:never understood the strategy to be more like the republicans to court the independents. why wouldn't they just vote republican in the first place if what they want are republican policies? Lmao, they do. They just also want to be told they're precious special babies who we all love before they do
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AkumaHokoru posted:he also complains about the current state of the republican party and goes out of his way to let people know he no longer considers himself a republican. Yeah he's a liar. His concern for democrats electability is disingenuous, he argues for republican policies because he likes them so he will always push them as the solution was what I was trying to say SMILLENNIALSMILLEN has issued a correction as of 18:12 on Oct 5, 2018 |
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Oct 5, 2018 18:08
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SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:Yeah he's a liar. His concern for democrats electability is disingenuous, he argues for republican policies because he likes them so he will always push them as the solution was what I was trying to say Fair enough. Guillotine them all.
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Oct 5, 2018 18:14
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Suspicious posted:never understood the strategy to be more like the republicans to court the independents. why wouldn't they just vote republican in the first place if what they want are republican policies? its a relic of politics before southern strategy and culture war political polarization first past the post voting naturally reaches equilibrium at a two party system with largely similar middle of the road policies. this is bc tacking to the center wins more marginal votes than appealing to the extremes-- all things equal, you do better giving up on one of your fringe voters if your centrism earns you a moderate's vote instead. bc the fringe voter might abstain or vote green party, but they won't vote for your CHUD opponent. whereas the moderate would have, making their vote twice as valuable this logic breaks down when the electorate is so polarized that bland centrism loses you more than twice as many base voters as it gets you from moderates. we're at that point and the gop knows it but the old dems are still having ptsd flashbacks to reagan in '84. they need to go.
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:its a relic of politics before southern strategy and culture war political polarization The parties used to be a lot more ideologically diverse - there were liberal Republicans and conservative Democrats and lots of things got done via cross-party coalition building (IIRC the Civil Rights Act passed with a higher percentage of Republican votes than Democratic). After 1965 (and 1968, and 1980) the parties started shifting into more ideologically unified groups - conservative Dems, usually in the south, either switched parties or were replaced by conservative Republicans (which was the Southern Strategy) while the liberal and moderate Republicans (in the northeast and later on the west coast) were slowly replaced by liberal Democrats (this year should see the R's almost completely wiped out in NY and CA and NJ congressional delegations). But for a while, as it was happening, there were lots of voters (mostly white and working/middle class) who had been voting Democratic, but who were now casting ballots for Republicans, and Dems in these transition districts thought (often correctly) that if they shifted rightwards they could still hold on to some of the more reluctant shifting voters (by talking about the deficit and getting tough on crime and the death penalty for drug dealers etc etc) Which worked (kind of) in the 1980s or 1990s, but the circumstances have changed since then - the Great Sorting has played out, there are no more reluctant R voters who could be lured back into the D fold (those "Reagan Democrats" in the upper midwest who were so important to the outcome of the 1980 election are for the most part dead now), and the Dems need to shift the way they build their coalition (aiming for women and people of color and young people and college-educated / the professional class) instead of trying to "get back" voters they lost thirty years ago.
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CharlestheHammer posted:nah it’s a fact that Poland went all in on that. Poland was in a simultaneous state of being the racial victims of the hated German, and also taking the opportunity to burn down the village synagogue because y'know. They were not Hitler supporters lol wtf.
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Grape posted:Poland was in a simultaneous state of being the racial victims of the hated German, and also taking the opportunity to burn down the village synagogue because y'know. most of eastern europe seems to be a bunch of ethnicities locked in a never-ending blood feud who occasionally take a time out to burn down the village synagogue (and/or mosque, nowadays) one of my dead relatives was a jewish-hungarian refugee. she got to america before the nazis really took over. after the nazis, the soviets occupied hungary and brutally slaughtered the locals. even today it's taboo in hungary to clink glasses during a toast, because apparently the russians liked to do that to celebrate their killing. anyway, when my relative heard the reports of what the soviets were doing in her old country, she was apparently thrilled-- because the hungarians were so antisemitic that she thought they all had it coming
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boomer story: my dad watches faux news every morning, then does house poo poo like painting/etc and always complains about it yet he is good at it and actually kinda likes it my mom is the kind of cook that gets a jar of premade tikka masala sauce at the store, cooks some white rice and chicken breast and calls it dinner, despite living within a mile of about 20 authentic indian restaurants their idea of eating out is ivar's (fish n chips fast food) and every night they watch hgtv and perry mason reruns uggggggggggghhhhhhh
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Oct 6, 2018 08:27
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That sounds way cheaper than eating out so the time though? Honestly besides the Fox News that sounds like an okay retired life.
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got any sevens posted:boomer story: lol why is any of this bad, besides only watching Fox News?
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:West Virginia poverty gets worse under Trump economy, not better And they'll deflect and blame the Dems for not doing enough to help while they vote straight-ticket R and continue to get boned. Kansas under Brownback was the same way. We're lucky he got pulled up to be part of that useless religious council in the White House. From everything I've seen, people voting Republican are either 'gently caress you got mine' or a strange form of stockholm syndrome, where they just can't leave their abusers because they're actually really nice for wanting brown people dead and for draining them of every cent they own. It's honestly sad.
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Bogus Adventure posted:Too late What is wrong with his thumb? Did it get stomped on by a horse when he was a child, or does he just have no idea how to do a thumbs-up properly?
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J.A.B.C. posted:And they'll deflect and blame the Dems for not doing enough to help while they vote straight-ticket R and continue to get boned. Or even though their life is worse they at least feel good how the state GOP is dealing with nasty gays and illegals.
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Their life is great, in comparison to the more actively subjugated. And that's what matters.
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:most of eastern europe seems to be a bunch of ethnicities locked in a never-ending blood feud Lol if you think this is a unique feature of Eastern Europe
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J.A.B.C. posted:And they'll deflect and blame the Dems for not doing enough to help while they vote straight-ticket R and continue to get boned. When I get depressed about politics I check in on Kansas and Idaho and console myself that at least Minnesota isn't a burning tire fire.
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:most of eastern europe seems to be a bunch of ethnicities locked in a never-ending blood feud who occasionally take a time out to burn down the village synagogue (and/or mosque, nowadays) But enough about Northern Ireland.
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shirts and skins posted:That sounds way cheaper than eating out so the time though? Honestly besides the Fox News that sounds like an okay retired life. insufficiently bourgeois lifestyle, how embarrassing.
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a big contributor to this, and also to why trump voters are realizing they're going to die under trump, is that back before the sequester there were massive financial incentives to be a crossover vote, in the form of discretionary infrastructure spending the last time Republicans were being bribed by Democrats to join onto one of their bills with bridge money was forty years ago, just as all the New Deal infrastructure was starting to go to poo poo there SHOULD have been some during the Obama years, but whoops! The Sequester, Not At All Hopelessly Stupid loving Idea
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:there SHOULD have been some during the Obama years, but whoops! The Sequester, Not At All Hopelessly Stupid loving Idea GOP knew that it was stupid. They voted for it so they could undermine and destroy government programs and hurt people. All the GOP cares about are money, power, and hurting people/keeping people in their place. It's a party of ghouls eating whatever it can before the party stops.
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Oct 6, 2018 18:17
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Zeroisanumber posted:When I get depressed about politics I check in on Kansas and Idaho and console myself that at least Minnesota isn't a burning tire fire. 
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Dreddout posted:Lol if you think this is a unique feature of Eastern Europe i don't, but every so often it's good to remember that europe has shithole countries too
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:i don't, but every so often it's good to remember that europe has shithole countries too Yeah it's called England
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Dreddout posted:Yeah it's called England England only really has two feuding groups and for one side they kind of have good reason. Scott’s are surely to everyone
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Oct 6, 2018 19:46
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Zeroisanumber posted:When I get depressed about politics I check in on Kansas and Idaho and console myself that at least Minnesota isn't a burning tire fire. Actually Idaho is doing just fine, we’ve got a new tractor museum in downtown Boise
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Former DILF posted:Actually Idaho is doing just fine, we’ve got a new tractor museum in downtown Boise Grats?
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CharlestheHammer posted:England only really has two feuding groups and for one side they kind of have good reason. It's my understanding that everyone in England wants to destroy everyone else
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Oct 6, 2018 20:44
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Dreddout posted:It's my understanding that everyone in England wants to destroy everyone else have you seen the average weather and food over there? id want to go on a rampage too
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Oct 6, 2018 20:49
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Dreddout posted:It's my understanding that everyone in England wants to destroy everyone else considering the topic of this thread, the same could be said of america
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Oct 6, 2018 20:56
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Dreddout posted:It's my understanding that everyone in England wants to destroy everyone else I think our recent political shitfest shows we're onto destroying ourselves now.
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Dreddout posted:It's my understanding that everyone in England wants to destroy everyone else the Scotts were kind of disgruntled from mistreatment but until Brexit they were mostly fine
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Oct 6, 2018 21:08
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The Scots are in Scotland, not England. Clue's in the name, really.
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I don’t know what this Scotland you speak of is. are you writing country specific fan fiction?
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