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You can't ghost someone at work if you literally never loving worked there
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The article also talks mostly with recruiters. Recruiters are scum and are somehow even worse than employers.
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Oct 5, 2018 17:47
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Oct 5, 2018 17:51
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Renegret posted:I'm never going to ghost a job. Bad post/AV combo, imo
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Oct 5, 2018 17:52
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Sydin posted:Bad post/AV combo, imo Can't ghost a job if your job is ghosting
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Oct 5, 2018 18:03
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There was an article in a 2014 or 2015 HBR issue talking about how companies would have to start caring about HR any day now as the labor market tightened. Now it’s finally happeneing and apparently no one prepared for it? The article also gave some context for overseas where managing worker interests in more important to a comapny’s sucess than here in the old USA. I wish I could dig it up, burned all three of my free articles trying to find the drat thing.
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Oct 5, 2018 18:05
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Renegret posted:The article also talks mostly with recruiters. Recruiters act like pimps because of the power structures that enable employers to overwhelmingly benefit from exploiting the employer/employee dynamic. Not trying to come at you, or put too fine a point on it, but yeah. That being said, nobody should especially lose a second of sleep over anything they've said to a recruiter that might "stretch credulity" you might say.
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Oct 5, 2018 18:10
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Zero Gravitas posted:Discovered the hellish side of my new job at the new Norwegian place. there are better ways of doing this but they're all more expensive
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Oct 5, 2018 18:10
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. Deadline this week to get part drawings ready for a design review. 
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Oct 5, 2018 18:18
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Halloween Jack posted:You can't ghost someone at work if you literally never loving worked there Right? We recently had someone partially "ghost" after accepting a job and relocation. He never showed up on his first day and then finally called and said he accepted another offer. Everyone was so incensed like "WHO DOES THAT." A guy who got a better offer? If you insist on being cheap and lowballing even key hires, then that's what you're going to get. Someone's not going to turn down a way better offer out of politeness to a corporation. Sorry! My managers also get super surprised and hurt when a remote worker will basically just be like "I'm quitting today, bye." The company treats them like they're second-class citizens, they get no benefits and there's literally no reason on their end for them to give any sort of buffer period. I think that modern companies have developed this thing, and I don't know if it was intentional at some point, where they treat the employer-employee relationship like it's a business relationship on the company's side and a personal relationship on the employee side. I have a co-worker that's a contractor, so she's always negotiating things with them if they aren't already specifically covered in the contract. Like when they ask for extra hours, she'll make them an offer to work them at a higher rate since it's more than her contracted hours. And they always act like she's being mean or difficult when she does this and it's like hey dudes, it's a business relationship, this is how it goes. If you want her to work at a set rate or for whatever hours you dictate, hire her as an employee. You won't, so ... here we are.
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Oct 5, 2018 18:27
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Renegret posted:Can't ghost a job if your job is ghosting 
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Oct 5, 2018 18:31
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Lowly posted:I think that modern companies have developed this thing, and I don't know if it was intentional at some point, where they treat the employer-employee relationship like it's a business relationship on the company's side and a personal relationship on the employee side. I have a co-worker that's a contractor, so she's always negotiating things with them if they aren't already specifically covered in the contract. Like when they ask for extra hours, she'll make them an offer to work them at a higher rate since it's more than her contracted hours. And they always act like she's being mean or difficult when she does this and it's like hey dudes, it's a business relationship, this is how it goes. If you want her to work at a set rate or for whatever hours you dictate, hire her as an employee. You won't, so ... here we are. It absolutely is intentional, and its rooted in anti-union practice. Getting employees to personalize the employee-employer relationship gives emotional leverage that can be exploited, usually through guilt trips (e.g. "would you really want to unionize and make the business sad?") but it really provides a whole host of benefits for the employer aside from anti-unionism. For instance, workers asking for When the employee is convinced that they only enjoy relations of employment because they treat the employer well, obviously who wins. Naturally, this is all a lie and employment is always conditional and decisions are made coldly and calculated, regardless of how "bad" or "regretful" an employer might sound when letting someone go or denying a wage increase.
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Oct 5, 2018 18:54
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a racoon in the dumpster behind a philosophy department that was transformed into a human by a witch posted:Of course I have nothing against the fact that your boss treats you in a nice way and so on. The problem is if this not only covers up the actual relationship of power, but makes it even more impenetrable. You know, if you have a boss who is up there, the old fashioned boss shouting at you, exerting full brutal authority--in a way it’s much easier to rebel than to have a friendly boss who embraces you, or "how was last night with your girlfriend," blah, blah, all that buddy stuff. Well then it almost appears impolite to protest!
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Oct 5, 2018 19:20
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Halloween Jack posted:a racoon in the dumpster behind a philosophy department that was transformed into a human by a witch posted: I don't recall this in any Rand work
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Oct 5, 2018 19:26
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you need to add the sniffing and the pulling of clothes and the accent
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Oct 5, 2018 21:11
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well I didn't get fired, it was a fairly unremarkable meeting now back to job hunting and doing household errands on company time oorah i wish there was a good way to search for jobs in and above a certain income bracket without getting a bunch of inflated commission only sales positions thrown in
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Oct 5, 2018 21:26
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Zero Gravitas posted:Discovered the hellish side of my new job at the new Norwegian place. a) You get to work with a program made this century? You don't know how good you have it. b) that sounds like exactly the sort of tedious make work that ought to be solved by a script. Python or even bash could probably automate most of that process without more know how than you can get by just googling around.
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Oct 5, 2018 21:44
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LLSix posted:b) that sounds like exactly the sort of tedious make work that ought to be solved by a script. Python or even bash could probably automate most of that process without more know how than you can get by just googling around. Python maybe but scripting Microsoft programs and reading proprietary Microsoft file formats isn't a quick sed and awk job even for a professional computer toucher.
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Oct 5, 2018 22:15
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Just remember that if you can automate it, don't tell anyone about that or they'll just make you do more work/automate other things/blame you when it stops working. Just enjoy your extra time.
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Oct 5, 2018 22:18
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Hey did the thread title change for Halloween or something?
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Oct 5, 2018 22:58
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FrozenVent posted:Hey did the thread title change for Halloween or something? looks like all the forums and threads did it's confusing as gently caress but also hail satan
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Oct 6, 2018 02:28
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Mandrel posted:well I didn't get fired, it was a fairly unremarkable meeting I wish I could do household chores on the clock but alas. For a minute I was studying Python on the clock but we've been real busy the last few months which has hosed that plan.
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Oct 6, 2018 10:05
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bob dobbs is dead posted:you need to add the sniffing and the pulling of clothes and the accent Oh, no. It’s Peterson, I think.
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Oct 6, 2018 15:01
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That feeling when you’ve been starring at two slightly different spreadsheet for two hours and can’t be arsed to do anything.
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Oct 6, 2018 15:02
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FrozenVent posted:That feeling when you’ve been starring at two slightly different spreadsheet for two hours and can’t be arsed to do anything. I just keep a very active stock or something on my bbg screen to make it look like I'm doing something important when I want to slack off. Oh, I'm just, uh, monitoring the markets, yeah.
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Oct 6, 2018 15:33
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I do similar thing with flight aware or marine traffic. Logistics gonna logistics.
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Oct 6, 2018 15:39
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Zero Gravitas posted:Ehhhhh It has occurred to me that its a problem ripe for scripting, but Im not sure if I'll either get the time or if I can be arsed. I think the most likely candidate is VB scripting but that means learning VB scripting. No one learns VBA. In fact no totally new VBA has been written since 2014. Every VB script that needs to be written already has been and is posted on the internet between 2007 and 2014. You just need to google and tweak it for your needs.
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Oct 6, 2018 15:57
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Discendo Vox posted:Oh, no. It’s Peterson, I think. Peterson does not do Marxist analysis of power, lol
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Oct 6, 2018 16:10
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CarForumPoster posted:No one learns VBA. In fact no totally new VBA has been written since 2014. Every VB script that needs to be written already has been and is posted on the internet between 2007 and 2014. You just need to google and tweak it for your needs. Some say all VBA ever written was produced by google’s machine learning algorithms when it tried to use the office suite. No one has ever learned VBA.
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Oct 6, 2018 16:14
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I wrote my entire high school computing project in VBA because we had to write it in VB and that was the only way I knew to get access to something like it at home (I had to copy-paste the code from the word doc I'd written it as a script for and then manually fix all the errors when I got to school).
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Oct 6, 2018 16:16
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Let me give you some career advice: Never admit you know VBA.
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Oct 6, 2018 17:07
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Word and other office apps also let you do an insane amount through PowerShell. After fixing formatting on a couple hundred documents in a few minutes, I decided it be unwise to tell anyone how.
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Oct 6, 2018 18:15
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FebrezeNinja posted:Word and other office apps also let you do an insane amount through PowerShell. After fixing formatting on a couple hundred documents in a few minutes, I decided it be unwise to tell anyone how. Got a link that explains this? I do a crapton of Word formatting and would love to be a wizard. I have no programming experience, but I like to pick up new skills when things are slow.
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Oct 6, 2018 18:53
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Betazoid posted:Got a link that explains this? I do a crapton of Word formatting and would love to be a wizard. I have no programming experience, but I like to pick up new skills when things are slow.
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Oct 6, 2018 19:11
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https://python-docx.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ is actually the best docx fuckery lib i worked with, for ergonomics
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Oct 6, 2018 19:19
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Powershell is hot horseshit and it sucks trying to use. I say this as a professional programmer.
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Oct 6, 2018 20:45
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Zero Gravitas posted:Discovered the hellish side of my new job at the new Norwegian place. You are one of the few posters I've really noticed through the last year of reading this thread. We've all had our share of bad experiences with corporate. And complaining about it is a relief. But at some point, surviving corporate life is also about adjusting and making the best of the weird dynamics. Or, the best option, finding a new job. Of course, sometimes trying will backfire or just corporate eats you alive because no reason. Yet, while most posters have fun anecdotes about work being bad for legitimate reasons, I do maybe get the feeling that most of your problems are caused by.. you. "If you run into an rear end in a top hat in the morning, you ran into an rear end in a top hat. If you run into assholes all day, you're the rear end in a top hat." (Quote from the internets)
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Oct 6, 2018 21:40
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Hyrax Attack! posted:Your company has an internal podcast? I thought we were the only ones. Does yours also require four salaried employees to produce, and management constantly tells people to listen because their “metrics” are bad? Not just that, our IT locked our browsers to go to our intranet home page whenever we open a browser or a new tab because "their metrics were bad."
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My company is doing pretty well financially, but they have to make some monster capital investments over the next few years and are looking to massively cut headcount as a result. It's really bloated and there's plenty of personnel fat to cut, but I have no confidence in their ability to do it correctly. We are so bad and incompetent operationally at anything beyond our core function. It's also a dysfunctional mess organizational, and a lot of capable people are already looking to leave/are leaving before that. I see things getting very difficult in the near term, and I think some of the saps left will be either the ones who didn't have any other options, or the poor souls who will be left working 80 hour weeks because McKinsey and Bain told the idiot finance people running things that was the best path forward. I'm not in any risk at all, but god drat am I sick of all the bullshit. My pay overall is pretty good, but I'm in a specialty occupation in demand, and am at about 20% below what market rate is. I have colleagues who were external hires who make $30k more than me. And I've had some offers recently, but I've probably been too picky and should start pushing a little harder.
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