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Dapper_Swindler posted:jesus christ. thats pretty open and horrible, even for the loving saudies. I guess king dipshit is really desperate. Crown prince dipshit, you mean.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:jesus christ. thats pretty open and horrible, even for the loving saudies. I guess king dipshit is really desperate. MEE is Qatari-aligned, so like I said, corroboration is needed on those specific details. There's also some Gulenist types trying to flip this all back around into some sort of Turkish false flag, so there's all sorts of bullshit flying around. That being said, it seems pretty clear he is dead, and the Saudi government killed him. Seems like the exact opposite of desperation to me. Dude only argued for reform of the monarchy, not for revolution. He's not even that dangerous. They killed him just to show they could, and to make sure all the Saudi dissidents around the world knew it by targeting someone so prominent. This is so unbelievably brazen that the precedent that will be set here if KSA gets a slap on the wrist is horrible. Volkerball fucked around with this message at 00:45 on Oct 7, 2018 |
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Why do you need a 15 man hit squad to take out a journalist who was in a confined space
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FlamingLiberal posted:Why do you need a 15 man hit squad to take out a journalist who was in a confined space
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Volkerball posted:Should be more details coming soon. lol that the degrees of authoritarianism here means even Turkey is like "jesus gently caress, these dudes were medieval"
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Squalid posted:Saudi Arabia is a rogue state and its disgusting the US government won't put its chain back on that dog. The US is the world's foremost rogue state.
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:The first 14 tripped up on their own shoelaces
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FlamingLiberal posted:Why do you need a 15 man hit squad to take out a journalist who was in a confined space You need 15 to form a perfectly circular firing squad
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That is notable that Turkey even is washing their hands of it. As far as breeches of diplomatic norms/customs/law goes that's just about as bad as it gets.
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i never understood why we choose them over Iran. like yeah both do horrible loving poo poo, but iran has a future and maybe even someday some sorta of Non-theocratic goverment. saudi arabia is just gonna become a higher tech version of mad max world when the oil runs out or is found cheaper elsewhere/etc and the princes all go game of thrones on each other.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i never understood why we choose them over Iran. like yeah both do horrible loving poo poo, but iran has a future and maybe even someday some sorta of Non-theocratic goverment. saudi arabia is just gonna become a higher tech version of mad max world when the oil runs out or is found cheaper elsewhere/etc and the princes all go game of thrones on each other. There's just too much bad blood. There was a small window of opportunity right after 9/11, at least according to that profile of Qasem Suleimani that has been linked here a few times; they seemed to have been willing to help the US in its Afghan campaign, but then Bush put it in the Axis of Evil, and it all went to naught.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i never understood why we choose them over Iran. like yeah both do horrible loving poo poo, but iran has a future and maybe even someday some sorta of Non-theocratic goverment. saudi arabia is just gonna become a higher tech version of mad max world when the oil runs out or is found cheaper elsewhere/etc and the princes all go game of thrones on each other. Well, originally both were on our side until 1979. Then Iranians asked "could we maybe have a slightly less dickheaded government, thanks?" at precisely the same time boomer scum were electing Ronald Reagan and deciding criticizing America for anything ever meant you hated God, freedom, puppies, and apple pie and were worse than Hitler a thousand times over.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:There's just too much bad blood. There was a small window of opportunity right after 9/11, at least according to that profile of Qasem Suleimani that has been linked here a few times; they seemed to have been willing to help the US in its Afghan campaign, but then Bush put it in the Axis of Evil, and it all went to naught. i feel like we sorta could have come to a slightly warmer relationship with the obama deal but thats loving dead forever. maybe we will get lucky and trump will fall in love with the iranian goverment next.
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Gen. Ripper posted:Well, originally both were on our side until 1979. Then Iranians asked "could we maybe have a slightly less dickheaded government, thanks?" at precisely the same time boomer scum were electing Ronald Reagan and deciding criticizing America for anything ever meant you hated God, freedom, puppies, and apple pie and were worse than Hitler a thousand times over. That's.... really not how that worked at all. The Islamic revolution violently overthrew the pro-American Shah (who had been put in power in the 1953 coup d'état by the US and the UK) and it took over the American embassy. The unresolved hostage situation was one of the issues which tipped the scales towards Reagan.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Why do you need a 15 man hit squad to take out a journalist who was in a confined space Why did Israel need to send 26 people to take out Mahmoud Al-Mabhouh?
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Spergin Morlock posted:Why did Israel need to send 26 people to take out Mahmoud Al-Mabhouh? Except he wasn't taken out in the Israeli consulate, was he?
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Except he wasn't taken out in the Israeli consulate, was he? True. One of the allegations though is that they removed him from the embassy in pieces. Easier to do that with a team of people. They weren't needed for the kill but for the cleanup. Just speculating, of course.
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Bip Roberts posted:How many diplomatic pouches does it take for a cadaver? You can slap a diplomatic seal on a shipping container. I imagine this might have been noticed at this particular moment, though.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:That is notable that Turkey even is washing their hands of it. As far as breeches of diplomatic norms/customs/law goes that's just about as bad as it gets. I mean they killed him in the Saudi consulate, so technically they did it on Saudi soil. I imagine if a criminal wanted by the US waltzes into the US embassy in some country then they will promptly be arrested and extradited to the US.
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qkkl posted:I mean they killed him in the Saudi consulate, so technically they did it on Saudi soil. I imagine if a criminal wanted by the US waltzes into the US embassy in some country then they will promptly be arrested and extradited to the US. This is not how embassies work.
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Yeah all the norms and traditions and laws around diplomatic status and facilities are absolutely predisposed on the idea that you aren't carrying out hits in your consulates. It's irrelevant anyways because it's not like SA has legal extra-judicial killings anyways. Like it is understood and expected that a significant portion of embassy/consular staff are engaging in non-diplomatic duties, but carrying out hits in situ is some wild west poo poo
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Absurd Alhazred posted:That's.... really not how that worked at all. The Islamic revolution violently overthrew the pro-American Shah (who had been put in power in the 1953 coup d'état by the US and the UK) and it took over the American embassy. The unresolved hostage situation was one of the issues which tipped the scales towards Reagan. Especially since Carter dropped the Shah and got comfortable with the idea of Khomeini only for that to backfire spectacularly. It really poisoned the well for foreign policy rooted in humanitarian concerns and brought the cold war era real politik to new heights with Reagan.
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Saudi news is having a rough day. https://mobile.twitter.com/AlArabiya_Eng/status/1048962403604553730
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LeoMarr posted:Are the sauds settingup a coup in qatar Theyve been trying With the usual saudi rate of success.
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Theyve been trying So they have spent billions on strengthening the position of the Qatari ruling family, alienated potential allies and greatly empowered radical islamists that crave for the ruination of the house of Saud?
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Zudgemud posted:So they have spent billions on strengthening the position of the Qatari ruling family, alienated potential allies and greatly empowered radical islamists that crave for the ruination of the house of Saud? mainly strengthened qatari relations with iran in the process
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But I think theyve given up a bit on that and the main idea being workshopped is the great Saudi-Qatari border Moat. To keep all those qataris out. Boy they sure will miss all of our saudi exports that we have already stopped.
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Rigged Death Trap posted:But I think theyve given up a bit on that and the main idea being workshopped is the great Saudi-Qatari border Moat. Watch this backfire and benefit qatar
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There's rumors going around now that Jamal is alive and in Saudi custody, but nobody knows. Meanwhile, Friedman somehow had the audacity to open his stupid loving mouth right now and what do you know, stupidity poured out. https://mobile.twitter.com/SulomeAnderson/status/1049370198711656450 Trump doesn't like it. Doesn't like hearing about it. https://mobile.twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1049416779032907776
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Volkerball posted:There's rumors going around now that Jamal is alive and in Saudi custody, but nobody knows. Meanwhile, Friedman somehow had the audacity to open his stupid loving mouth right now and what do you know, stupidity poured out. Trump's just mad because he wishes he could have journalists killed with impunity.
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