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CharlestheHammer: Jun 26, 2011; YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

Crane Fist posted:

So like 3 people switched allegiance in that direction and you went "drat THOSE RACIST LEFTIES"?

lol it was way more than three, quit being defensive.

it�s not like their existence invalidates leftists or something.

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Vincent Van Goatse: Nov 8, 2006; Enjoy every sandwich.; Smellrose

gently caress off Chucky

# ? Oct 8, 2018 01:09

Ague Proof: Jun 5, 2014; they told me
I was everything

https://twitter.com/broderick/status/1049019246393610240

# ? Oct 8, 2018 01:10

CharlestheHammer: Jun 26, 2011; YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

lol still mad I see

# ? Oct 8, 2018 01:11

some plague rats: Jun 5, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

CharlestheHammer posted:

lol it was way more than three, quit being defensive.

it’s not like their existence invalidates leftists or something.

I'm not the one holding them as an article of faith here

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Al!: Apr 2, 2010

is this argument still happening??????

https://twitter.com/RoseCityAntifa/status/1049010431249932289

joey gibson still doing his american tour of nazi failsons

# ? Oct 8, 2018 01:14

Crowsbeak: Oct 9, 2012; by Azathoth; Lipstick Apathy

fool_of_sound posted:

Shek was substantially worse but Mao was still an ultra-conservative military-fetishizing authoritarian with shades of neofeudalism.

Yes, the guy who wanted to destroy the bureaucracy that he feared developing, was in fact a neofeudalist.

# ? Oct 8, 2018 01:15

CharlestheHammer: Jun 26, 2011; YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

if there is one group that loves Bureaucrats it�s feudalism

# ? Oct 8, 2018 01:16

Captain_Maclaine: Sep 30, 2001; Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

This is not the thread to debate Maoism or whatever else you idiots are slapfighting about this time.

# ? Oct 8, 2018 01:17

CheeseSpawn: Sep 15, 2004; Doctor Rope

Mr Interweb posted:

I might be mistaking him with someone else, but I thought he said he supports the idea of UHC, progressive taxation, and raising the minimum wage?

Dave Rubin uses these ideas to "defend the case that he is somehow leftist." There was a tweet recently by him when he slipped up and agreed he was reactionary, which leads into below.

Mr Interweb posted:

Yeah, actually those were indeed some pretty bad examples minus Dore and Kulinski.

But still, I maintain that I've seen many, many online people act that way.

I think this older article summed the behavior of of the speakers you've quoted minus Dore and Kulinski. There was more recent article along these lines but I couldnt remember what it was. LOL at challenging them though.

https://medium.com/s/story/we-need-to-talk-about-reactionary-centrists-f0e6f8c4d58

quote:

Reactionary centrist (n) � Someone who says they�re politically neutral, but who usually punches left while sympathizing with the right.

Reactionary centrism is an ideological stance that isn�t really centrist at all. It can elevate a speaker in the mainstream media as a liberal-ish critic of liberalism and make someone feel good about being above it all and not taking sides, but it�s increasingly a stance that leads to sloppy thinking, especially as the Republican party continues to lurch rightward and away from democratic rule. We should identify reactionary centrism when we see it, challenge it, and ask what reactionary centrists could be doing instead to more productively contribute to public debates.
...

Reactionary centrists have to prop up the moderate right

Reactionary centrists often enter into political debates with the presumption that they should always be cool, level-headed, and respectful. And that�s nice, but politics is a very contentious field precisely because it�s how we resolve otherwise unresolvable conflicts. Further, a lot of reactionary centrists are part of a chattering class in publishing and academia that views respectful discussion as the central goal of politics rather than the building or use of power, the granting of rights, or the distribution of resources and wealth. Thus, they work overtime to elevate the views of what they consider moderate or reasonable voices on the right, even though those voices have very little power in policymaking. And they give far too much credit to actual powerful political actors on the right for being reasonable when they�re actually quite extreme.
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It�s OK to take sides

There is a role for centrism in our politics. But moderation or centrism as a goal is easily exploitable by the modern right, especially for public figures who see political debates in purely partisan and positional terms.

At best, reactionary centrism is a lazy response to politics. If progressive groups are doing something you can describe as distasteful or beneath you, or ineffective, that�s an excuse to avoid the hard work of participating in the progressive political movements that are actually trying to make our politics better.

But at worst, reactionary centrists fail to critically assess how the right operates in America and wind up playing along with its agenda as a result.

In this era, taking sides on those issues is of fundamental importance. The goal of any progressive political program should be to build power, strengthen democracy, and deliver more benefits to more people.

There�s plenty of room for compromise along the way, including compromise with committed centrists and conservatives. But one should never be blinded into compromise as a goal in and of itself. Compromise and standing in the middle is a tactic and a tool, not an ideology. And in an era where the right refuses to compromise on anything, reactionary centrism isn�t centrist at all.

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Al!: Apr 2, 2010

CharlestheHammer posted:

if there is one group that loves Bureaucrats it�s feudalism

wellllllll in china...................

i mean gently caress u dont drag me into this

# ? Oct 8, 2018 01:20

ChristsDickWorship: Dec 7, 2004; Annihilate your demons

Crane Fist posted:

So like 3 people switched allegiance in that direction and you went "drat THOSE RACIST LEFTIES"?

I don't care if we call them leftists, but I'm afraid there were a lot more than 3 white people who enthusiastically supported Bernie's campaign but would not have if it had anything approaching reparations on the platform, or participated in BLM direct action.

# ? Oct 8, 2018 01:28

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

The opposite happens way more often. 'We could break up the big banks but' etc etc. Also donut twitter.

Those people probably mostly weren't leftist in the first place. Bernie has legit crossover appeal and all.

# ? Oct 8, 2018 01:30

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
(and can't post for 23 days!)

first world maoists are weird and if you don�t think so then you�re not paying attention. then there�s �Marxist-Leninist� like Phil Greaves who pretend repressing trans people is a matter of scientific materialism, and not just that he thinks trans people are gross.

these attitudes tend to get cultivated by reactionary cultures in general despite people�s ideals. like my Turkish friend is a card carrying Turkish communist but he�s got a lot of dumbass opinions. it�s something that has to be dealt with in any group, it�s just especially weird for communists to act like chuds so it stands out more.

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Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
(and can't post for 23 days!)

also jimmy Dore isn�t a racist, wth

# ? Oct 8, 2018 01:32

Grape: Nov 16, 2017; Happily shilling for China!

Crowsbeak posted:

Yes, the guy who wanted to destroy the bureaucracy that he feared developing, was in fact a neofeudalist.

You mean the guy who wanted to cause massive chaos across the country to make room for a political comeback against his more competent rivals after he was marginalized because he mismanaged industrialization as to cause one of the most horrific famines in history? Leading to millions of tiny reenactments of the Crucible trial scenes, near civil war, and the educational stunting of an entire generation or two? After filling the vacant government positions with boot licking ambitious yes-men? Who stopped it all around the time he had crawled back on top and after the highest ranked ambitious yes-man turned on him?

That guy really sounds like someone who is concerned about bureaucracy!

# ? Oct 8, 2018 01:32

fool of sound: Oct 10, 2012

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

first world maoists are weird and if you don�t think so then you�re not paying attention. then there�s �Marxist-Leninist� like Phil Greaves who pretend repressing trans people is a matter of scientific materialism, and not just that he thinks trans people are gross.

these attitudes tend to get cultivated by reactionary cultures in general despite people�s ideals. like my Turkish friend is a card carrying Turkish communist but he�s got a lot of dumbass opinions. it�s something that has to be dealt with in any group, it�s just especially weird for communists to act like chuds so it stands out more.

I like your posts.

# ? Oct 8, 2018 01:34

some plague rats: Jun 5, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

ChristsDickWorship posted:

I don't care if we call them leftists, but I'm afraid there were a lot more than 3 white people who enthusiastically supported Bernie's campaign but would not have if it had anything approaching reparations on the platform, or participated in BLM direct action.

What are you basing this on

Like who are these people, show me some fuckin examples, this is insanely frustrating

# ? Oct 8, 2018 01:36

Ague Proof: Jun 5, 2014; they told me
I was everything

Crane Fist posted:

What are you basing this on

Like who are these people, show me some fuckin examples, this is insanely frustrating

h a goodman, h a goodman, and h a goodman

# ? Oct 8, 2018 01:39

GorgonLiker: Oct 7, 2018; Look me in the eyes, at least.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

first world maoists are weird and if you don�t think so then you�re not paying attention. then there�s �Marxist-Leninist� like Phil Greaves who pretend repressing trans people is a matter of scientific materialism, and not just that he thinks trans people are gross.

these attitudes tend to get cultivated by reactionary cultures in general despite people�s ideals. like my Turkish friend is a card carrying Turkish communist but he�s got a lot of dumbass opinions. it�s something that has to be dealt with in any group, it�s just especially weird for communists to act like chuds so it stands out more.

Yeah, every TERF I've ever encountered who isn't a 40 year old wine mom from Kent posting on mumsnet describes her analysis of gender as Marxist/materlialist (it's not of course) and sneers at people who accept trans women or don't think sex workers should be thrown in cages* as libfems (they're generally right to call most feminists this but for the wrong reasons).

# ? Oct 8, 2018 01:39

CharlestheHammer: Jun 26, 2011; YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

Crane Fist posted:

What are you basing this on

Like who are these people, show me some fuckin examples, this is insanely frustrating

having eyes probably they were fairly easily to see during the run up but since that was over 2 years ago I�m not sure what you expect to get.

I don�t get why you have a hard time a accepting two people who got support through populism would have overlap, it�s fairly self evident.

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fool of sound: Oct 10, 2012

Crane Fist posted:

What are you basing this on

Like who are these people, show me some fuckin examples, this is insanely frustrating

I have no idea how accurate this number actually is, cause I imagine it's something people lie about, but this poll maybe has some insight.

# ? Oct 8, 2018 01:39

pillsburysoldier: Feb 11, 2008; Yo, peep that shit

https://twitter.com/AshleyAlese/status/1049081712582512641

white supremacists all over broken hearted

# ? Oct 8, 2018 01:47

CharlestheHammer: Jun 26, 2011; YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

why do they like her? is it because she�s so pale

# ? Oct 8, 2018 01:48

a.lo: Sep 12, 2009

https://twitter.com/LauraLoomer/status/1049075827164549120

you've

just

been

loomered

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Al!: Apr 2, 2010

im more excited about learning about the gargoyle of a guy sucking his own dick

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I AM GRANDO: Aug 20, 2006

CharlestheHammer posted:

having eyes probably they were fairly easily to see during the run up but since that was over 2 years ago I�m not sure what you expect to get.

I don�t get why you have a hard time a accepting two people who got support through populism would have overlap, it�s fairly self evident.

This is actually relevant to the thread: populism is explicitly undemocratic in the sense that the populist leader defines their vocal supporters as the only people who matter and works to silence minority opinions or political opponents (who may be a numerical majority). Trump is a textbook populist in his promise to crush anyone who doesn�t go to his rallies.

Sanders literally ran on a platform of extending and expanding democracy, promising that all people would be heard more easily in a more democratic society.

Anti-establishment isn�t the same thing as populist, though of course the establishment doesn�t want you to know that, so the lanyards and the nyt editorial brigade make hay about Trump being anti-elite because he�s a big slob who wants to kill all Jews while Sanders wants black children to get medicine and not be shot to death and gets hit with the same brush.

Politics is not binary.

# ? Oct 8, 2018 01:52

some plague rats: Jun 5, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

fool_of_sound posted:

I have no idea how accurate this number actually is, cause I imagine it's something people lie about, but this poll maybe has some insight.

This is actually pretty interesting

I mean it does nothing to support that wild hot take about the hordes of people who wouldn't have supported Bernie if he came out against police brutality but it's something

Honestly it looks like their main motivating factor was less a burning hatred of the dread idpol and more just an overwhelming contempt for the status quo

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a fatguy baldspot: Aug 29, 2018

Al! posted:

im more excited about learning about the gargoyle of a guy sucking his own dick

Is his butthole a gutter exit? I hope so.

# ? Oct 8, 2018 01:55

Crowsbeak: Oct 9, 2012; by Azathoth; Lipstick Apathy

Grape posted:

You mean the guy who wanted to cause massive chaos across the country to make room for a political comeback against his more competent rivals after he was marginalized because he mismanaged industrialization as to cause one of the most horrific famines in history? Leading to millions of tiny reenactments of the Crucible trial scenes, near civil war, and the educational stunting of an entire generation or two? After filling the vacant government positions with boot licking ambitious yes-men? Who stopped it all around the time he had crawled back on top and after the highest ranked ambitious yes-man turned on him?

That guy really sounds like someone who is concerned about bureaucracy!

Lol, Dengist. Hell alot of the Tianmin square protesters wanted anew one. Love the �leftists� shilling the pro American lines.

# ? Oct 8, 2018 01:56

CharlestheHammer: Jun 26, 2011; YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

I did not think this thread of all places would white knight Mao but here we are.

# ? Oct 8, 2018 01:58

Captain_Maclaine: Sep 30, 2001; Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

No seriously, shut up about Mao. If you really want to talk about him and/or other aspects of Chinese socialism, take it to this thread.

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Tokamak: Dec 22, 2004

a.lo posted:

https://twitter.com/LauraLoomer/status/1049075827164549120

Check marks can't keep getting away with this!

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pillsburysoldier: Feb 11, 2008; Yo, peep that shit

https://mobile.twitter.com/ashleyfeinberg/status/1049101539565088769/photo/1

And from the cspan pics thread
https://twitter.com/existentialfish/status/1049099882483605506

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Tokamak: Dec 22, 2004

Who could have guessed that it was a kitten running her social media?!?

# ? Oct 8, 2018 02:16

snoremac: Jul 27, 2012; I LOVE SEEING DEAD BABIES ON 𝕏, THE EVERYTHING APP. IT'S WORTH IT FOR THE FOLLOWING TAB.

Does Charlie Kirk think Taylor Swift�s career ended because Kanye interrupted her award speech?

# ? Oct 8, 2018 02:17

CharlestheHammer: Jun 26, 2011; YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

snoremac posted:

Does Charlie Kirk think Taylor Swift�s career ended because Kanye interrupted her award speech?

he does now that she made him mad

# ? Oct 8, 2018 02:19

Grape: Nov 16, 2017; Happily shilling for China!

pillsburysoldier posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/ashleyfeinberg/status/1049101539565088769/photo/1

And from the cspan pics thread
https://twitter.com/existentialfish/status/1049099882483605506

ahahaha, this is so sad in the best way.

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a fatguy baldspot: Aug 29, 2018

Someone post the picture with the comparisons of Taylor happily hugging white, blonde girls and grimly hoverhanding a little black girl. I love that pic.

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Captain_Maclaine: Sep 30, 2001; Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

snoremac posted:

Does Charlie Kirk think

Let me stop you right there.

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