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please, try to argue in court that fault for "misrepresentation" falls on oracle, who gave you the license to read and told you that you that you especially should read it, and not on you, who lied about having accepted it
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thank you peeny cheez and gazpacho for explaining why the output of the legal system is only loosely related to justice, fairness, and other nice things
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 i think they would be in a much stronger position if that statement were upfront about there now being licensing fees for use. maybe that wouldn’t be enough to get a lawsuit thrown out. but people in yospos have a tendency to think contract law is like an iron trap when there’s actually a lot of balancing and policy judgment, especially on this kind of boilerplate license
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gently caress oracle
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akadajet posted:gently caress oracle gently caress here i am emptyquoting akadajet. what have i become.
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Beamed posted:gently caress here i am emptyquoting akadajet. what have i become. you've done it before
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the contract clearly states you must pay the iron price for this jdk
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here comes jef fatwood of snack overflow to tell us all about how that ARM instruction that has "JS" in the name is the reason that the new iPhone is 15% better on a WebKit benchmark that does not test floating point performance, and WebKit having no evidence of using the instruction in its JIT https://twitter.com/codinghorror/status/1049082262854094848
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i have no private knowledge of that stuff, but a benchmark not being designed to use floating-point doesn't mean it never produces an intermediate floating-point value that the engine wants to optimistically convert back to an integer also webkit probably hasn't open-sourced its a12 changes yet; llvm/clang/swift certainly haven't
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That's fair. 40% Speedometer does seem high for that though -- I wouldn't expect many float-to-int conversions in the hot path. Maybe I overestimate JavaScript developers though....
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Suspicious Dish posted:Maybe I overestimate JavaScript developers though.... 
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Suspicious Dish posted:That's fair. 40% Speedometer does seem high for that though -- I wouldn't expect many float-to-int conversions in the hot path. Maybe I overestimate JavaScript developers though.... it's probably arm 8.3 plus the immense increase in memory performance
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Suspicious Dish posted:That's fair. 40% Speedometer does seem high for that though -- I wouldn't expect many float-to-int conversions in the hot path. Maybe I overestimate JavaScript developers though.... "JavaScript only has the Numbers type, it doesn't do floats or ints" -some lovely dev (dont sign your posts, etc.)
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Jeff snackwood of fat overflow
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oh apparently phil weighed in on that twitter thread and said we really aren’t using it in the jit yet, which is strange but whatever
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i just submitted 17 papers for the upcoming C++ standards meeting in San Diego and i basically wrote them all in under two days this past weekend and i kinda want to not touch any markup language for a month. also i want to die now
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as long as none of them propose to integrate a 2d library into the stdlib you should be fine
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Sagacity posted:as long as none of them propose to integrate a 2d library into the stdlib you should be fine uh oh (im kidding)
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Slurps Mad Rips posted:uh oh don’t hide it inside of some weird web canvas container either
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eschaton posted:also I’m pretty sure the deal is that the Oracle JDK is free for development but not deployment, which is fairly standard and would probably be the core of their argument for why any entity deploying it needs to pay them just shy of extortionate rates forever after using it mistakenly once just shy of extortionate rates? i see you have no experience with oracle.
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yes, individual developers can use the oracle builds to develop code without any issues, so the “random dev ignores warnings and now company owes oracle all their revenue forever” scenario simply won’t happen. the problems only arise if you deploy the oracle jdk in production or ship it to customers. and if you’re letting a major platform update get deployed to production from random tarballs downloaded by careless devs without any kind of review process then you probably have bigger problems than the one license violation. should oracle push openjdk harder now it’s the default? yes. could they make it clearer that their non-openjdk downloads are only licensed for dev, not prod? yes. is the java world ending as a cunning and evil trap closes around innocent developers? no. not claiming oracle are cool and good here, just baffled that people are trying to turn this into a big deal when it really isn’t.
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Fiedler posted:just shy of extortionate rates? i see you have no experience with oracle.
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Soricidus posted:yes, individual developers can use the oracle builds to develop code without any issues, so the “random dev ignores warnings and now company owes oracle all their revenue forever” scenario simply won’t happen.
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Soricidus posted:cunning and evil trap closes around innocent developers? no. trick question thats what oracles Java has always been!
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Soricidus posted:yes, individual developers can use the oracle builds to develop code without any issues, so the “random dev ignores warnings and now company owes oracle all their revenue forever” scenario simply won’t happen. They didn't go back and do this retroactively for Java 8 builds right? Cause that could gently caress with a lot of people that were deploying using Oracle's JVM. I'm pretty sure this is only for versions 9/10/11 and new ones going forward.
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Janitor Prime posted:They didn't go back and do this retroactively for Java 8 builds right? Cause that could gently caress with a lot of people that were deploying using Oracle's JVM. I'm pretty sure this is only for versions 9/10/11 and new ones going forward. no that would be a huge dick move, even by oracle standards the license change is only on oracle jdk 11 and later
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Peeny Cheez posted:Truth. Years ago I worked at a Solaris/Oracle shop and my lord we practically had to keep the blinds drawn at all times to shield us from the reps floating outside, scratching on the window and croaking "let us in, we are huuuungry" this is a startlingly accurate portrayal of the oracle lead generation process
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Thermopyle posted:trick question yawn
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zzzzz You're so predictable Are you sure you know what you're yawning at? Thermopyle fucked around with this message at 13:45 on Oct 9, 2018 |
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Entity Framework good/badness: one thing that makes EF "easy to use" but also quite challenging to move away from is all the magic that it does under the hood to track changes to objects so that you can get your IEnumerable<Fart>s out of your ButtsContext and go foreach(var fart in ctx.Farts) { fart.Spiciness *= 100 }, then just call ctx.Save() and Magic Happens Few other things have that much magic, so EF encourages you to program in a way that is very EF specific and not easily married to any other persistence interface.
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the whole concept of entity framework's persistence layer is dumb as poo poo. you end up having to manage both the persistence layer and the db layer and it ends up making everything take 10x as long.
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I find it suprising that even shaggar dislikes EF.
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mystes posted:I find it suprising that even shaggar dislikes EF. we found it, the microsoft thing that objectively everyone can agree sucks
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it is much like having the canonical 1kg weight, only yospos has the tools to by definition declare the truths in these matters
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mystes posted:I find it suprising that even shaggar dislikes EF. sql server is great but the tools around it are not so good cuase the sql server team doesn't really care about tools and the vs team does db tools all wrong
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Shaggar posted:sql server is great but the tools around it are not so good cuase the sql server team doesn't really care about tools and the vs team does db tools all wrong this checks out
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prisoner of waffles posted:Entity Framework good/badness: one thing that makes EF "easy to use" but also quite challenging to move away from is all the magic that it does under the hood to track changes to objects so that you can get your IEnumerable<Fart>s out of your ButtsContext and go foreach(var fart in ctx.Farts) { fart.Spiciness *= 100 }, then just call ctx.Save() and Magic Happens sounds like hibernate. whenever the txn commits (and this happens automatically when using spring's @Transactional annotation) it dirty checks every single thing loaded by the session and flushes changes. so the stuff you gently caress with in your code isnt even the actual state, the actual actual state is hidden and a pile of framework code fucks with it for you then does poo poo to your db at a time definitely not of your choosing, but hopefully not corrupting anything whoever came up with lazy proxies should be blacklisted
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orms are bad but persistence layers are a litterall extra layer of bad on top of the orm.
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the only good thing spring ever did was the appcontext and everthing else spring branded is just "yeah it sucks but at least its integrated with spring". spring data is possibly the worst example but spring boot is pretty bad too
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Shaggar posted:sql server is great but the tools around it are not so good cuase the sql server team doesn't really care about tools and the vs team does db tools all wrong autocompletion in ssqs stopped working for no reason other than "gently caress you" this has been my sql story
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