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One could say both the Emancipation Proclamation and 13th amendment, especially for Lincoln personally. Most people even in the North didn't care about Slavery in the South, they just wanted it to not spread out from there. It was a huge risk to pursue emancipation and Lincoln was super worried he would lose the Presidency over it, even waiting till the aftermath of the big "victory" of Antietam to get through the Proclamation while everyone was in a good mood. Hell I'd say the only reason Lincoln and the Radical wing of the party were only even able to get close to emancipation was because the war gave them cover. Had they tried when the public at large wasn't distracted by the war they would have failed.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Oh, sure. The way you were writing that post though you seemed to be going off the deep end into anarcho-libertarianism -- all politicians bad so lets just . .. hide in the woods I guess? idk It's on me. I've been reading too much Trump thread and talking to too many people 'serious people' irl that insist 'If people would just vote (D), problem solved!'. I need to go hide in the woods for awhile maybe, that sounds like a great suggestion.
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The one thing giving me a sliver of hope is every useless media idiot or Democratic politician saying we need to come together, regular people need to be nicer to politicians, or BOTH SIDES is getting only scorn. McCain's funeral had a lot of people saying we need to come together but that ship has sailed after last week and anyone saying to play nice is really not going over well. Politicians, Senators in particular, have gotten way too used to being American royalty and that poo poo needs to end.
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Radish posted:The one thing giving me a sliver of hope is every useless media idiot or Democratic politician saying we need to come together, regular people need to be nicer to politicians, or BOTH SIDES is getting only scorn. McCain's funeral had a lot of people saying we need to come together but that ship has sailed after last week and anyone saying to play nice is really not going over well. Yeah I think things are starting to fall apart now. Like things will get bad but the left and even the libs are losing their faith in the old discourse. Unlike the extreme pessimist who I think just jerks off to America going fascist I know we cannot do that. I also know that there are subhuman scum that stand in our way that talk about how taxes are thert. That pretend they are gods xhosen rather then Satans servants. Those will have to be anhilated in the conflict. Not only that but their very thought will have to be erased as well.
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To be quite honest, we're already doomed.quote:The report also finds that, in the likelihood that governments fail to avert 2.7 degrees of warming, another scenario is possible: The world could overshoot that target, heat up by more than 3.6 degrees, and then through a combination of lowering emissions and deploying carbon capture technology, bring the temperature back down below the 2.7-degree threshold. lol the literal best case scenario Lightning Knight fucked around with this message at 05:52 on Oct 8, 2018 |
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The inept centrist attempts at grandstanding and 11th dimensional chess seems to be backfiring pretty badly; every 'strategic' loss and letting bad dems vote with Republicans alienates more and more people and literally only impresses the true believers. The Democrat establishment is unable and unwilling to actually do or promise anything to appeal to people, even moreso than before. They're thoroughly under the impression they can win by doing nothing, and they are very wrong.
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Lightning Knight posted:To be quite honest, we're already doomed. I'm not sure what the solution is, but my heart tells me it's an incremental one.
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Oh Snapple! posted:I'm not sure what the solution is, but my heart tells me it's an incremental one. How much money can we take away from Jeff Bezos to pay for green infrastructure before it doesn't count as "incremental" anymore? like lol did you see the article about how he could personally pay to end world hunger and still be rich? I'm so loving mad.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:The inept centrist attempts at grandstanding and 11th dimensional chess seems to be backfiring pretty badly; every 'strategic' loss and letting bad dems vote with Republicans alienates more and more people and literally only impresses the true believers. The Democrat establishment is unable and unwilling to actually do or promise anything to appeal to people, even moreso than before. They're thoroughly under the impression they can win by doing nothing, and they are very wrong. I;m taking heart in that I've even seen stillwithher types getting angry at normal dems on twitter.
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Lightning Knight posted:like lol did you see the article about how he could personally pay to end world hunger and still be rich? I'm so loving mad. When people talk about guillotines, they aren't just joking; the world's rich are quite literally deserving of the worst punishments that a human being's actions can conceivably warrant. Like, the human mind isn't even capable of fully appreciating the extent to which their existence is immoral, just because it's hard to really comprehend what "this person could effortlessly save a million lives without an appreciable change to their own quality of life" really means (and that's not even getting into the various sins that contribute to earning that wealth in the first place). It really can't be understated how completely and utterly bonkers it is that these people not only exist, but are often thought highly of by many people and spoken of positively in our media.
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Lightning Knight posted:How much money can we take away from Jeff Bezos to pay for green infrastructure before it doesn't count as "incremental" anymore? Not to put a road block in the way of your outrage, but Bezos couldn't liquidate enough money to actually hit that goal. Not only is it just not practical in any way, it's full blown illegal. Plus to do so would probably crash any potential future income so he'd be able to solve it for a year, and then next year it'd be back to the same problem. Ignoring all other problems with that statement. I'm all for taxing the rich more, but getting mad over ridiculous hyperbole isn't going to help anyone.
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nessin posted:Not to put a road block in the way of your outrage, but Bezos couldn't liquidate enough money to actually hit that goal. Not only is it just not practical in any way, it's full blown illegal. Plus to do so would probably crash any potential future income so he'd be able to solve it for a year, and then next year it'd be back to the same problem. Ignoring all other problems with that statement. I'm all for taxing the rich more, but getting mad over ridiculous hyperbole isn't going to help anyone. It’s called expropriation of all assets. Lol.
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nessin posted:I'm all for taxing the rich more, but This is the centrist version of "I'm not racist, but"
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Trabisnikof posted:We should just nationalize Fixed that for you
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galagazombie posted:One could say both the Emancipation Proclamation and 13th amendment, especially for Lincoln personally. Most people even in the North didn't care about Slavery in the South, they just wanted it to not spread out from there. It was a huge risk to pursue emancipation and Lincoln was super worried he would lose the Presidency over it, even waiting till the aftermath of the big "victory" of Antietam to get through the Proclamation while everyone was in a good mood. Hell I'd say the only reason Lincoln and the Radical wing of the party were only even able to get close to emancipation was because the war gave them cover. Had they tried when the public at large wasn't distracted by the war they would have failed. fugitive slaves drove the passage of the confiscation acts to address the myriad legal problems they created for the union, the second act of which gave lincoln the legal authority to issue the proclamation
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gohmak posted:Fixed that for you
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nessin posted:Not to put a road block in the way of your outrage, but Bezos couldn't liquidate enough money to actually hit that goal. Not only is it just not practical in any way, it's full blown illegal. Plus to do so would probably crash any potential future income so he'd be able to solve it for a year, and then next year it'd be back to the same problem. Ignoring all other problems with that statement. I'm all for taxing the rich more, but getting mad over ridiculous hyperbole isn't going to help anyone. While it's true that the "on paper" wealth of people like Bezos doesn't accurately translate to their actual liquid wealth, it doesn't change the fact that these people still have billions of dollars that they shouldn't have (and that could save or dramatically improve the lives of literally millions of people).
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Nationalize porn. Make it like jury duty. Wow this is an assault on the volcel lifestyle
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nessin posted:Not to put a road block in the way of your outrage, but Bezos couldn't liquidate enough money to actually hit that goal. Not only is it just not practical in any way, it's full blown illegal. Plus to do so would probably crash any potential future income so he'd be able to solve it for a year, and then next year it'd be back to the same problem. Ignoring all other problems with that statement. I'm all for taxing the rich more, but getting mad over ridiculous hyperbole isn't going to help anyone.  Actually Bezos is only choosing to let X number of people starve to death so he can hoard extravagant wealth, not Y number of people
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gohmak posted:Fixed that for you Sure, but Amazon is such an early and easy example of a good company to nationalize. We nationalize Whole Foods, providing 3 free meals a day, Amazon provides a national marketplace for consumer goods, and a nationalized AWS provides access to computing resources for all. That or Facebook and Twitter first since they're acting as communication utilities.
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Current Affairs came up with the idea of Freedom Cafes, where you can go and get a balanced vegetarian meal for free. Anyone could do it, and since restaurants are almost always a money-losing venture it's a great think to nationalize - and there's no shortage of people who want to run a cafe/restaurant or a kitchen. I mean it's about as "radical" as libraries.
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Imprison all Amazon prime subscribers in the gulags.
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Nonsense posted:Imprison all Amazon prime subscribers in the gulags. That's something like 95 million people in the US alone. also, (Splinter News) Wall Street loves Democrats again
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Current Affairs came up with the idea of Freedom Cafes, where you can go and get a balanced vegetarian meal for free. Anyone could do it, and since restaurants are almost always a money-losing venture it's a great think to nationalize - and there's no shortage of people who want to run a cafe/restaurant or a kitchen. I remember reading this article but forgot that I had. I feel like that’s a good idea but the vegetarian aspect will put a lot of people off. At the same time, I don’t know that there’s currently an environmentally responsible or ethical way to cultivate animal meat in bulk.
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Lightning Knight posted:I remember reading this article but forgot that I had. I feel like that’s a good idea but the vegetarian aspect will put a lot of people off. At the same time, I don’t know that there’s currently an environmentally responsible or ethical way to cultivate animal meat in bulk. Bugs
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Radish posted:Bugs True, but also no one is gonna go for that in the western developed world in a timely fashion. I saw a headline today about how scientists want to use gene fuckery to make mosquitos go extinct and it’s crazy how much people hate bugs even though they’re a necessary part of the ecosystem.
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Lightning Knight posted:True, but also no one is gonna go for that in the western developed world in a timely fashion. gently caress mosquitos.
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Lightning Knight posted:True, but also no one is gonna go for that in the western developed world in a timely fashion. Having eaten insects, the part that grosses me out the most is the legs. If they ground them up into a patty to the point where you couldn't really tell the difference between it and other proteins I think it wouldn't be as big an issue once you got past "eww bugs" on the box which admittedly would be hard. Honestly it's not any grosser than eating other meats when you think about it for half a second.
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I tuned into NPR today for about 3 seconds before they referred to the murder of Laquan McDonald as "the unlawful death of the Black teenager." How many times do you have to convict a cop of murder before these assholes will call it murder? Rent-A-Cop fucked around with this message at 20:00 on Oct 8, 2018 |
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The Kingfish posted:gently caress mosquitos. I mean I don’t disagree but on the other hand, ecosystem collapse when you kick the bottom out of the food chain. Radish posted:Having eaten insects, the part that grosses me out the most is the legs. If they ground them up into a patty to the point where you couldn't really tell the difference between it and other proteins I think it wouldn't be as big an issue once you got past "eww bugs" on the box which admittedly would be hard. That’s pretty interesting and I’d be curious to see more about this, though it’s probably not an appropriate topic for this thread.
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Lightning Knight posted:I remember reading this article but forgot that I had. I feel like that’s a good idea but the vegetarian aspect will put a lot of people off. At the same time, I don’t know that there’s currently an environmentally responsible or ethical way to cultivate animal meat in bulk. Dairy is no bargain environmentally as well. Stuff like the Impossible Burger, which is plant-based, is good enough to fool meat lovers.
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Lightning Knight posted:True, but also no one is gonna go for that in the western developed world in a timely fashion. Those mosquitos are invasive species and there's several other native species that can fill that ecological niche. Not to mention that they're a massive vector for some rather dangerous diseases, I'm not sure why you didn't mention that.
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VideoGameVet posted:Dairy is no bargain environmentally as well. I've had an impossible burger. It's pretty good. It's a little TOO juicy and the texture is off (it's too crunchy/has a good Mallard reaction on the outside and the inside is a little too smooth and uniform, if that makes sense) but it's perfectly acceptable if the alternative is "the planet dies"
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Solkanar512 posted:Those mosquitos are invasive species and there's several other native species that can fill that ecological niche. I mean, that’s fair, but a non-trivial number of people would support eradicating mosquitos in general which would be bad for the environment. I don’t oppose the idea of eradicating invasive species, so long as it isn’t going to hurt local wildlife.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Current Affairs came up with the idea of Freedom Cafes, where you can go and get a balanced vegetarian meal for free. Anyone could do it, and since restaurants are almost always a money-losing venture it's a great think to nationalize - and there's no shortage of people who want to run a cafe/restaurant or a kitchen. Cool, they've invented soup kitchens but with a patriotic name
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No it's not a soup kitchen, it's a restaurant except all the prices are set to zero and the government subsidizes the losses. This is functionally not a soup kitchen.
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Main Paineframe posted:Cool, they've invented soup kitchens but with a patriotic name and tailored to middle class peccadillos
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EdithUpwards posted:and tailored to middle class peccadillos For emissions, animal agriculture accounts for between 13% and 18% (https://skepticalscience.com/animal-agriculture-meat-global-warming.htm)
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