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Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

Pirate Radar posted:

would you say that bustin’... makes you feel good?

yeah, as a matter of fact, just came to post that

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Algund Eenboom
May 4, 2014


Yikes!

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012
Yeah a lot of factors went into why trump won, but a substantial chunk of them were 'hillary clinton's garbage charisma', 'hillary clinton's garbage reputation', and 'hillary clinton's garbage campaign'. There was a bunch of other bullshit that probably would have harmed anyone, but just playing those three things better would probably have flipped it.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://twitter.com/MattBinder/status/1049317860504457216

SENTIENT HOUSEMEAT
Oct 14, 2016

A thinking, breathing house? You're mad!
*turns America into a corrupt gerontocracy*

"Young people are responsible for this sorry state of affairs."

seiferguy
Jun 9, 2005

FLAWED
INTUITION



Toilet Rascal
Somewhere between 6-12% of Bernie supporters ended up backing Trump, which is probably around the same percentage of Rubio / Cruz supporters that backed Hillary. It's a dumb take, but definitely not a surprising one.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

seiferguy posted:

Somewhere between 6-12% of Bernie supporters ended up backing Trump, which is probably around the same percentage of Rubio / Cruz supporters that backed Hillary. It's a dumb take, but definitely not a surprising one.

lol is this what the this has been reduced to downplaying.

scary ghost dog
Aug 5, 2007

seiferguy posted:

Somewhere between 6-12% of Bernie supporters ended up backing Trump, which is probably around the same percentage of Rubio / Cruz supporters that backed Hillary. It's a dumb take, but definitely not a surprising one.

25% of hillary primary voters voted for mccain in 08

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

smug "this is how the senate is supposed to work" twitter is the worst twitter

https://twitter.com/EsotericCD/status/1049038606944362497

a wapo journalist tweeted that it's bad that dc/pr residents have no say in kavanaugh and now everyone has been tweeting poo poo like this for two days

with of course the classic "it's a republic not a democracy"

Teal
Feb 25, 2013

by Nyc_Tattoo
-actually nevermind probably doesn't belong in this thread-

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://twitter.com/TheNotoriousMMA/status/1049278027509653504

Syncopated
Oct 21, 2010
Is there any other place in the world that does the whole "this part of the country isn't allowed to vote" thing? UK overseas territories have local governments but no influence on uk government I guess?

Bushiz
Sep 21, 2004

The #1 Threat to Ba Sing Se

Grimey Drawer
The biggest obstacle to victory for a stupid hypothetical bernie vs trump 2016 would have been the PUMAs and the rest of Hillary's ilk

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



Bushiz posted:

The biggest obstacle to victory for a stupid hypothetical bernie vs trump 2016 would have been the PUMAs and the rest of Hillary's ilk

they absolutely would have undermined him like the same set did with promulgating the birther smear against obama in 08.

much like republicans the accusing other people of doing bad things (eg undermining the dem nominee) is mostly projection

Slutitution
Jun 26, 2018

by Nyc_Tattoo

rofl

Yeah I'm sure the loving Mormon from bumfuck Utah who joined the CIA totally gives a poo poo about Democracy

Filthy Hans
Jun 27, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

(and can't post for 10 years!)


lol at McGregor taking the high road

"It's a moral victory for me since Khabib Nurmagomedov kicked my rear end, then almost kicked my coach's rear end, and then his corner crew ganked me"

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

Filthy Hans posted:

lol at McGregor taking the high road

"It's a moral victory for me since Khabib Nurmagomedov kicked my rear end, then almost kicked my coach's rear end, and then his corner crew ganked me"

I wish I had a career of getting my rear end whipped for a million bucks a pop.

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Filthy Hans posted:

lol at McGregor taking the high road

"It's a moral victory for me since Khabib Nurmagomedov kicked my rear end, then almost kicked my coach's rear end, and then his corner crew ganked me"

LMAO sounds like I need to watch the fight

the bitcoin of weed
Nov 1, 2014

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1049298886337212416

a powerful pair of dipshits

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012

holy gently caress

Krabboss
Nov 11, 2016

MY HUSBAND'S PARSE IS BETTER THAN YOURS

It's so weird how political commentators are some of the dumbest and most credulous people on the planet. It's really amazing how almost all of them are the worst people that could be doing their jobs.

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012

Krabboss posted:

It's so weird how political commentators are some of the dumbest and most credulous people on the planet. It's really amazing how almost all of them are the worst people that could be doing their jobs.

all political commentators are rich fail kids too useless and stupid to do other easy jobs

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Krabboss posted:

It's so weird how political commentators are some of the dumbest and most credulous people on the planet. It's really amazing how almost all of them are the worst people that could be doing their jobs.

Political science is designed to gently caress people up

Yoshi Wins
Jul 14, 2013

scary ghost dog posted:

25% of hillary primary voters voted for mccain in 08

False.

https://web.archive.org/web/20081108082743/http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/04/exit.polls/

quote:

Exit polling also showed that Democrats who supported Sen. Hillary Clinton during the primaries overwhelming voted for Obama in the general election, 84 percent to 15 percent for McCain.

This was slightly higher but comparable to the 12 percent of Sanders voters who voted for Trump.

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/545812242/1-in-10-sanders-primary-voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-finds

Baku
Aug 20, 2005

by Fluffdaddy

Yoshi Wins posted:

This was slightly higher but comparable to the 12 percent of Sanders voters who voted for Trump.

https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/545812242/1-in-10-sanders-primary-voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-finds

err this NPR piece actually reiterates the claim that 25% of clinton primary voters went for mccain in the 2008 election, which is an outstanding number, because it also states that about 12% of trump voters in the republican primary ultimately voted for clinton (in other words that 12% of sanders voters going for trump is pretty bog-standard and probably represents everything from a given percentage of dumbass fence-sitters to people voting in the other party's primary strategically)

should we use that NPR article as a source or not, because it directly contradicts your primary argument (that there wasn't an exceptional amount of clinton > mccain drift)

Goon Danton
May 24, 2012

Don't forget to show my shitposts to the people. They're well worth seeing.

Krabboss posted:

It's so weird how political commentators are some of the dumbest and most credulous people on the planet. It's really amazing how almost all of them are the worst people that could be doing their jobs.

It's like breeding cows. The ones who are smart enough to gently caress things up get culled early.

scary ghost dog
Aug 5, 2007

the newer article that isnt based on exit polls backs me up.

Pablo Nergigante
Apr 16, 2002


Christ

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/MaxBoot/status/1049451517907005440

When I went to the Klan meeting I thought everyone was there for the community, I didn't realize they were all racist!

Grimoire
Jul 9, 2003

Whew, peak demented liberal idpol with this lady. To the point that she's picking fights with the wine moms 4 hillary who make up 90% of her replies

I really do wonder if any of these fucks understand what the hell a primary is, and what it is for

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Syncopated posted:

Is there any other place in the world that does the whole "this part of the country isn't allowed to vote" thing? UK overseas territories have local governments but no influence on uk government I guess?

look, if DC and PR deserve Congressional districts and Senate seats, Afghanistan probably should, too.

Tetracube
Feb 12, 2014

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Atrocious Joe posted:

https://twitter.com/MaxBoot/status/1049451517907005440

When I went to the Klan meeting I thought everyone was there for the community, I didn't realize they were all racist!

"max boot" is an apt name for a conservative

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

gradenko_2000 posted:

look, if DC and PR deserve Congressional districts and Senate seats, Afghanistan probably should, too.

Nothing would cut down on the political bloodlust like having every invaded territory immediately become a state with full political representation.

01011001
Dec 26, 2012

Atrocious Joe posted:

https://twitter.com/MaxBoot/status/1049451517907005440

When I went to the Klan meeting I thought everyone was there for the community, I didn't realize they were all racist!

quote:

I used to think Goldwater’s reputation as an extremist was a liberal libel. Reading his actual words — something I had not done before — reveals that he really was an extremist.

lmao

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

fool_of_sound posted:

all political commentators are rich fail kids too useless and stupid to do other easy jobs

This is extremely true. Hell, it's half of journalism. All the unpaid internships are intended to keep the poors out and all.

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

gradenko_2000 posted:

look, if DC and PR deserve Congressional districts and Senate seats, Afghanistan probably should, too.

tbqh outright annexation and assimilation is definitely way more humane than whatever the gently caress you could claim we're doing there, besides pointless terrorism

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



Larry Parrish posted:

tbqh outright annexation and assimilation is definitely way more humane than whatever the gently caress you could claim we're doing there, besides pointless terrorism

iraq and afghanistan were supposed to be colonizations except the plans were drawn up by morons who relied on magical thinking to say that all we had to do was topple saddam and the free market would instantly turn the country into a rich capitalist democracy, and this time it would work unlike what happened in post-soviet russia and eastern europe

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

The French tried annexation & assimilation and look what happened to them. There isn't any kind of relatively more tolerable version of colonialism, because it all ends up in the same place. The French just get to keep more stuff in the end because places like French Guiana were never strong enough to do a revolution.

Kitfox88
Aug 21, 2007

Anybody lose their glasses?

Atrocious Joe posted:

https://twitter.com/MaxBoot/status/1049451517907005440

When I went to the Klan meeting I thought everyone was there for the community, I didn't realize they were all racist!

I figured the fact that most of the minority populations in the country said the right has been getting more and more extreme for decades was just them being whiners! How was I supposed to know I should take it all seriously until I had literal mountains of evidence for years on end and not just assume they were being complainers for no reason?!

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Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

Atrocious Joe posted:

https://twitter.com/MaxBoot/status/1049451517907005440

When I went to the Klan meeting I thought everyone was there for the community, I didn't realize they were all racist!

Years and years of living with and reporting on the GOP and only now he understands?

The people who act as gatekeepers are alarmingly stupid and it's going to get us all killed.

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