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Sundae posted:
Oligarchs don't care enough about their children to break the number addiction.
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Sundae posted:How's the view from up on that there high road, chumpy? it sucks being a chump.  i really need to be informed by discussion regarding this issue, and participation in this discussion. simply lurking doesn't force me to articulate the why that I can use to justify "we need to do X before things get bad enough where violence is..." in attempts* to contextualize for family members/co-workers something e.g. people with whom you do not choose but are* kind of 'stuck' with. for reference, during the freeway protests last year, i knew what they were doing was right. but i just couldn't formulate the words necessary to articulate this in a way that co-workers/family members would understand due to the power of media narratives like "what if an ambulance came by!?". i realized how... stupid i really was by just a lack of an ability to articulate motivations and goals of protestors. e.g.: i could argue for single-payer healthcare and give plenty of reasons as to why privatization of healthcare is so wrong; are you going to look up prices for ambulance services when your grandmother is dying of stroke? re: some idiot co-worker spouting off about how GUMMINT IS THE ISSUE WITH HEALTHCARE IN THE FIRST, WE NEED COMPEITION! i'm a dumb naive, idiot-baby and i'm working on... not being this about issues. i'm sure many lurkers are of a similar mindset. threads like this one of the few spaces left for discussion that i know of that isn't filled with astro-turfing campaigns and actually have people who will take the time to read whatever stupid nonsense my post consists of, and examine it critically without resorting* to ad-hom attacks because i'm not copy-pasting youtube titles in place of understanding or having a coherent ideology. again, it sucks being a chump. edit: *'d typos. and because this forum has at least a bottom-barrel for post quality i have motivation to go back and correct stupid typo's. i should really be proofreading before i post but... ah just post  edit 2: VVVV yeah, that's a fairpoint and i should have said nothing or worded it vastly differently, instead of the weird virtue signalling my post implied im depressed lol fucked around with this message at 01:17 on Oct 10, 2018 |
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Oct 10, 2018 01:04
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Well sorry dude, but we're not allowed to have an frank discussion regarding the matter so sometimes you're going to get called an idiot if you say something stupid and nobody's going to be able to explain it to you because it costs money to make a new account.
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Oct 10, 2018 01:10
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also, stop pretending life is a debate club where you win over friends and family with logic and reason if someone is opposing something of moral/ethical value to you *call them a piece of poo poo and cut them out of your life* we will make INFINITY times more progress by directly confronting and ostracizing lovely people than we will pretending they can be reasoned with (they cannot, that is *you* being lost in a delusional reality).
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Oct 10, 2018 01:46
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that's fair, as rational debate would imply that the myopic and greedy consumption of the future is somehow rational. when it's clearly irrational. so maybe lean towards exposing the insane irrationality?
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Oct 10, 2018 02:01
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how do you people think the world will be saved? if you don't have a theory for how we'll escape extinction then you're either terminally depressed or contemptibly lacking in imagination. i want to hear them! mine is that we'll unlock the secrets of ultra-rapid forest regermination and/or topsoil regeneration allowing for massive afforestation to soak up our excess carbon and avoid dying out, although obviously billions will still die and i will likely be among them. i welcome my eventual death and so should you. now tell me how you think we'll escape the furnace, a storytelling session is the best kind of therapy
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Oct 10, 2018 02:38
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Trabisnikof posted:Ignoring the moral/ethical question and only looking predictively, even SR15 says that violence, war, conflict, instability are all more likely under scenarios where our political and social institutions aren't strengthened and more of the global economy brought into strictly regulated and controlled systems. A lot of the bad stuff with climate change is already baked in like this. The same more or less goes for overall consumption even without violence. Either we stop emitting so much or the eventual and ever increasing drag on economic growth will slow emissions for us. It's probably going to be a whole lot more painful and ultimately bloody and violent to do it through a non-stop stream of global recessions, but hey. edit- incredible flesh posted:how do you people think the world will be saved? if you don't have a theory for how we'll escape extinction then you're either terminally depressed or contemptibly lacking in imagination. i want to hear them! The world isn't going to be saved because climate change isn't going to cause a total collapse of global civilization or the end of the human race. It's just going to suck for a long time for a whole lot of people, including a lot of first world people who think this is someone else's problem. And four hundred years from now the future version of OOCC on the brainweb is going to write off any problems of the day because he'll only be capable of looking at the end points of a graph between 2018 and 2418 and saying "see! things are better now than they were then! things always get better!" while ignoring all the terrible poo poo that happens in the middle. Paradoxish fucked around with this message at 02:44 on Oct 10, 2018 |
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Oct 10, 2018 02:39
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our salvation will come when the lord wills it to come and not a moment before
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Oct 10, 2018 02:51
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Paradoxish posted:The world isn't going to be saved because climate change isn't going to cause a total collapse of global civilization or the end of the human race. It's just going to suck for a long time for a whole lot of people, including a lot of first world people who think this is someone else's problem. And four hundred years from now the future version of OOCC on the brainweb is going to write off any problems of the day because he'll only be capable of looking at the end points of a graph between 2018 and 2418 and saying "see! things are better now than they were then! things always get better!" while ignoring all the terrible poo poo that happens in the middle. Stuff is never going to be all good or all bad or all one thing. Right now 19% of people live in the first world and 80% of humans live on less than 10% a day (and those circles largely but not perfectly overlap). That is way better than it used to be, but way lower than it could have been. In 400 years it's not going to magically be that everything is good or bad and everyone is poor or rich or anything simple like that. Lots of stuff will happen and what we can work for is figuring out if we can make the future so 32% of the world lives in first world conditions and live on 20 dollars a day vs 7% living in first world conditions and 93% living under 8 dollars a day or whatever. It's never going to be some super clear binary. Bad stuff is going to happen and good stuff will happen in a big mess. Just like now is, and the past was and it always will be. You fix global warming and numbers might slide way up, don't fix it and numbers slide way down, but it's not like it will ever be some final reckoning where everything is just one thing. Owlofcreamcheese fucked around with this message at 16:14 on Oct 10, 2018 |
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Oct 10, 2018 13:34
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Paradoxish posted:The world isn't going to be saved because climate change isn't going to cause a total collapse of global civilization or the end of the human race. It's just going to suck for a long time for a whole lot of people, including a lot of first world people who think this is someone else's problem. And four hundred years from now the future version of OOCC on the brainweb is going to write off any problems of the day because he'll only be capable of looking at the end points of a graph between 2018 and 2418 and saying "see! things are better now than they were then! things always get better!" while ignoring all the terrible poo poo that happens in the middle. This is quite an understatement! Unless climate change is stopped early, it's going to suck for a long time for societies that are lucky, and for others it will be a genocide of historically completely unparalleled proportions. Genocide, because the causes of the food shortage will be inherently political (the economy is not a hand of God, we know it's coming and how to prevent it in technical terms), the effects will be distributed very unequally between regions, we roughly know which are going to be cleansed ethnically and otherwise as the heat is turned up, they aren't the ones where most of the heavily responsible people live, and nations are absolutely going to go "there's only so much food we can buy, and since we are going to survive, who is going to die?" Sort of like Generalplan Ost was in large part an accounting calculation: Effectively "The land only grows so much food, there's barely any surplus after the locals have eaten, and we are going to feed so-and-so many millions of Germans on this, so we have to make that amount of space". Of course, people have successfully collectively decided that genocides (arguably, if they can be ranked) worse than the Holocaust never happened, and there would definitely be psychological pressure to create a societal narrative where your country wasn't built at the expense of an unimaginable amount of people that your people (intentionally or effectively) chose to die for them on a racial/sectarian/national basis, so your prediction about 2418 isn't so unbelievable really. uncop fucked around with this message at 17:57 on Oct 10, 2018 |
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Oct 10, 2018 16:44
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incredible flesh posted:our salvation will come when the lord wills it to come and not a moment before True that, hopefully we can invest enough in developing AI to make our Lord (or Lady, I'm not choosy) a reality. SkyNet mowing down dumbass humans everywhere couldn't make things worse, anyhow. I call this plan the Cynicism Singularity Plan or CSP for short.
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Oct 10, 2018 18:19
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Libluini posted:True that, hopefully we can invest enough in developing AI to make our Lord (or Lady, I'm not choosy) a reality. SkyNet mowing down dumbass humans everywhere couldn't make things worse, anyhow. What do you do when it turns out the AI overlord loves rolling coal, though?
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Oct 10, 2018 21:24
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Roadie posted:What do you do when it turns out the AI overlord loves rolling coal, though? 
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Oct 10, 2018 21:28
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Grouchio posted:The AI Overlord would not roll coal because even now it's cost-efficiency is beginning to be overshadowed by renewable energy. Thus it would love to roll solar. You seem to have this weird assumption that AIs must be logical.
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Oct 10, 2018 21:42
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Only as good as you program and train it...for example I gave an AI a bunch of Garfield porn from DeviantArt and was delighted when it spit out a lasagna-based energy solution, sadly haven't been able to get it working at scale yet but I'm hoping a few more gigs of really hard stuff featuring Nermal does the trick
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Oct 10, 2018 21:51
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i'm kindof amazed we don't have more robotic solar farm stuff going yet like instead of making panels they should just make giant rolls that farming machinery can layout dozens of acres a day of
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Oct 10, 2018 22:45
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StabbinHobo posted:i'm kindof amazed we don't have more robotic solar farm stuff going yet That's thinking anyone is going to make the effort though... FYGM is in full effect 
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Oct 10, 2018 23:05
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StabbinHobo posted:i'm kindof amazed we don't have more robotic solar farm stuff going yet 1) something cool is discovered in a lab. It’s ungodly expensive to produce a tiny amount. (Example: Eniac computer) 2) engineering researchers pick up the tech, trying to figure out cool things to do with it. Government grants fund the ungodly cost to produce and some breakthroughs are discovered that might make it cheaper to produce. (Example ibm 650) 3) some startups are founded and market to the very high end market. The very rich, very sick or the military. (Example univac 1108) 4) startups are successful, and due to competition and research the price begins to cone down. Now the high end luxury market or multinational corporate customers. comes into play. Example ibm 360 5) as competition grows and research continues, the middle class can now afford the tech (Example Apple II) 6) commoditization. Tech has finally advanced to the point where anyone can get some for mere pennies. (Example Raspberry pi) The tech (Vertical Farming) is currently at level 4. Your robot farm idea is probably in-between levels 1-2. That being said I could see Vertical farming reach level 5 in several years as demand and cost-efficiency grows. Same with solar power.
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Oct 10, 2018 23:24
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StabbinHobo posted:i'm kindof amazed we don't have more robotic solar farm stuff going yet "why has nobody implemented this thing I just thought of that I decided should obviously be easy after giving it ten seconds' thought" Literally nobody has mastered durable flexible electronics yet despite it being what literally every phone company in the world is working.
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Oct 10, 2018 23:30
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Trainee PornStar posted:That's thinking anyone is going to make the effort though... FYGM is in full effect Grouchio posted:<a very long fart noise transcribed into a vbulletin post> Roadie posted:"why has nobody implemented this thing I just thought of that I decided should obviously be easy after giving it ten seconds' thought" this to me is the most hopeless thing of all about climate change... what a weird bunch of stupid assholes we are as a species.
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Oct 11, 2018 00:40
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Solar bids are getting insanely cheap, we're talking below $1/W to install in entire system cost and contracts are already signed for prices in the 2-3 cents per kwh. Add in storage and there are outstanding bids for PPAs in the 2-4 cents a kwh range. These are all in the US, prices are of course cheaper in countries with cheaper labor costs etc. The electricity sector will be the most straightforward of all the major emitters to transition. Renewables already compete, the technology all exists already, and helpfully the institution and sources of emission are among the most centralized.
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Oct 11, 2018 01:10
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like i would rather pay farmers to lay out panels than to grow corn for ethanol imagine just switching half of corn subsidies over to solar farms
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Oct 11, 2018 04:04
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We gotta start switching corn to potatoes
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Oct 11, 2018 05:02
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avocados will disappear
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Oct 11, 2018 06:39
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Telephones posted:avocados will disappear In my belly!
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Oct 11, 2018 18:23
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Telephones posted:avocados will disappear NOOOOO!!!! 
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Oct 11, 2018 19:25
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Hooray! 100 Million Barrels: The World Hit a Daily Oil and Liquids Record quote:The world is pumping out more oil and other petroleum liquids than ever before.
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Oct 12, 2018 14:18
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The Seneca Cliff looms ever closer.
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Oct 12, 2018 14:30
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https://www.iea.org/newsroom/news/2018/october/oil-market-report-twin-peaks.htmlquote:In fact, production has surged, led by the US shale revolution, and supported by big increases in Brazil, Canada and elsewhere. tar sands are not oil
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Oct 12, 2018 14:33
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Last year David Wallace-Wells wrote a cover piece for New York mag - The Uninhabitable Earth - and it garnered quite a bit of pushback. Primarily it was seen as hyperbole and damaging to the climate movement, and this critique came from prominent public climate scientists, such as Mann. So...here we are. And Wells has wrote a new piece, detailing how the IPCC report is actually the best-case scenario. Gotta give props to David for not starting it off with "What's that about being overly pessimistic now, you fucks?", impressive restraint that I wouldn't have.
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Oct 14, 2018 19:28
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Beautiful.
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Oct 14, 2018 19:53
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Happy_Misanthrope posted:Last year David Wallace-Wells wrote a cover piece for New York mag - The Uninhabitable Earth - and it garnered quite a bit of pushback. Primarily it was seen as hyperbole and damaging to the climate movement, and this critique came from prominent public climate scientists, such as Mann. the reaction to that was a perfect example of the tut-tut/well-actually crowd being such utter sabotage level shits speaking of, haven't seen thug in months
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Oct 14, 2018 20:33
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I find the choice of music for this video of a new high-altitude drone (for sensing etc.) highly ironic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBxWUZUXCKQ
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Oct 15, 2018 19:23
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJ1HRGA8g10 Pretty direct programme by the BBC. Some signal forwarding, some token opposition dude. I like Simon Beard's optimism.
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Oct 16, 2018 00:19
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Now that the IPCC is starting to talk frankly, it seems like there's a flood of mainstream reporting on what the reality of the end of this century looks like. The bulletin of atomic scientists published a piece calling the latest report optimistic, and now we're seeing large publications starting to get down to brass tacks. I can't imagine seeing this in the news a year ago:quote:So Heinberg suggests that if we’re serious about avoiding climate catastrophe, we need to look at shrinking overall economic activity, de-emphasizing GDP in favour of “quality of life indicators”, and reigning in population growth while instituting a guaranteed jobs program or a universal basic income. The UN's Devastating Climate Change Report Was Too Optimistic
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Oct 16, 2018 17:10
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I'm so depressed about all of this (and more or less everything going on in the world today) and it seems to me that depression is a rational response to this so it feels to me that it is right for me to be depressed. Also when articles end like this: quote:At stake is the prosperity—and survival—of generations to come. And there’s no time to lose. So if politicians aren’t paying attention, it’s up to citizens to make their voices heard louder than ever.
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Oct 16, 2018 17:42
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Mozi posted:I'm so depressed about all of this (and more or less everything going on in the world today) and it seems to me that depression is a rational response to this so it feels to me that it is right for me to be depressed. Depression is probably a rational response but it won't help you, go & see the Doc mate, explain the deal to him/her. I just got put on medication for other reasons & it's already helping.
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Oct 16, 2018 17:52
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Yeah, I know I should probably talk to somebody about it. It's just... I don't want to, because I should be depressed, because everything is depressing. I know this is all really sad-sack-y but I did kind of at least need to get this much off my chest somewhere.
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Oct 16, 2018 18:01
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There's the risk of whoever you try to talk to will just depress you more by being a denialist/optimist. On my end I was upset for a day or two, kinda sorta unintentionally cut off some toxic elements from my life in my antipathy, and now I'm back down to my normal levels of cynicism
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I'm on antidepressants, I've done therapy but I'm still massively depressed. Not suicidal though so I guess that counts for something. Is there a thread for wallowing in existential dread?
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