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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:do not encourage people to kill themselves, idiots Reminder that yeah, these depressed posters are in a very bad shape right now and have been harvesting negative energy from political threads for a while. Don't even joke about this poo poo
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Oct 9, 2018 20:38
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nerdz posted:Reminder that yeah, these depressed posters are in a very bad shape right now and have been harvesting negative energy from political threads for a while. Don't even joke about this poo poo For me at least, that's not true. Jokes put things into perspective for me and I take a lot of solace in it. But I do understand how for some, it is not. I'll keep my depression out of threads, it just got a little too much. Mea culpa. Also, can we guillotine yet?
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Oct 9, 2018 20:56
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Why is Brazilian politics so bad?
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Oct 9, 2018 21:01
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punk rebel ecks posted:Why is Brazilian politics so bad? It's like Italy but tropical and worse
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Oct 9, 2018 21:07
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We were essentially feudal until 90 years ago maybe? We only abolished slavery in 1888? We were an honest to God "empire" under a Portuguese prince for most of the 19th century? We are still ruled by a conservative land based aristocracy? Who knows man
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Oct 9, 2018 21:56
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punk rebel ecks posted:Why is Brazilian politics so bad? imperialism has a hell of a legacy
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Oct 9, 2018 21:58
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Brazil has a long story of authoritarism and its legacy is part of the foundation of many of our institutions. We've had a generation grow under a representative republic, but that is in no way the "normal" for our nation's history.
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Oct 9, 2018 22:32
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ZearothK posted:Brazil has a long story of authoritarism and its legacy is part of the foundation of many of our institutions. We've had a generation grow under a representative republic, but that is in no way the "normal" for our nation's history. I thought it was because Neymar is a diving oval office On a serious note it is really sad to see a lot of countries without strong institutions slide to authoritarianism so soon after achieving actual reform. Hopefully Bolsonaro, Duterte, Orban and their ilk are just a speed bump in history but it's hard to be so optimistic these days. The SituAsian has issued a correction as of 22:39 on Oct 9, 2018 |
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Oct 9, 2018 22:34
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An insane mind posted:The amount of times my psychologist said, no one will join up with Wilders, he's just a flash in the pan and it's just words he's spouting while he absolutely explodes in the polls because he finds an easy scapegoat in the Any particular sources saying he is rising? It's hard for me to find them since my Dutch is still pretty bad.
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Oct 9, 2018 22:49
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AceOfFlames posted:Any particular sources saying he is rising? It's hard for me to find them since my Dutch is still pretty bad. It might just be me doom thinking but his party is the second largest in the Netherlands, he basically gets to say whatever he wants with very little consequence. And, trying to emulate Wilders party's success the whole of Dutch centre and right have gleefully become more populist. It's honestly not fun to think about. But this is the Brazil is burning thread, is there a the Netherlands is burning thread? I mean, Wilders is the only sort of interesting thing about us other than our other permanent poopulist Thierry Baudet. An insane mind has issued a correction as of 23:19 on Oct 9, 2018 |
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Oct 9, 2018 23:17
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An insane mind posted:It might just be me doom thinking but his party is the second largest in the Netherlands, he basically gets to say whatever he wants with very little consequence. And, trying to emulate Wilders party's success the whole of Dutch centre and right have gleefully become more populist. It's honestly not fun to think about. But this is the Brazil is burning thread, is there a the Netherlands is burning thread? I mean, Wilders is the only sort of interesting thing about us other than our other permanent poopulist Thierry Baudet. there's a eurothread here, i guess that's the closest thing? seems like the big topics there are italian and french collapse, so dutch collapse ought to fit in nicely
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Oct 9, 2018 23:55
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i'm actually kind of impressed with brazil's enthusiasm for fascist rule like these guys really want them some fascism
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Oct 10, 2018 03:24
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Oxxidation posted:i'm actually kind of impressed with brazil's enthusiasm for fascist rule It's a mix of depressed turnout (the lowest in 20 years), a strong rejection of the party that was in power for the last 16 years and a full-on crisis in all sectors but yeah, sadly the biggest reason is that people actually want fascism. I also see a severe lack of class consciousness at play right now. Two more anecdotes: - My wife's cousin has gone all in on bolsonaro, especially for his plans on security issues (basically give a license to kill to cops). Plot twist: he's an ex-con. - I overheard the mailman talking about how happy he is that bolsonaro is getting elected. In Brazil the first thing that comes to mind when you think "poo poo that will get immediately privatized" is the postal service. Not only that, the proposed worker rights changes are hilariously bad (did anyone read about the "carteira de trabalho verde a amarela?")
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Oct 10, 2018 03:48
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[quote="nerdz" post="488747148"] a strong rejection of the party that was in power for the last 16 years Why so?
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Oct 10, 2018 03:51
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punk rebel ecks posted:[quote="nerdz" post="488747148"] The biggest reason is self-explanatory: They've been in power for a super long time, and while they had a pretty strong start, they started getting extremely unpopular by the end, especially after the impeachment. They ended up taking the fall for all the corruption that happened in the last 16 years, part of it because they were framed and smeared, part of it because everyone else managed to hide their asses and last because they actually did their fair share of corruption schemes. They're left wing and the right wing kept on getting pissed off, bolder and more fascist and that's where we are now, much like the US.
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Oct 10, 2018 03:54
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Yeah, it's a massive "they won't eat MY face" attitude for a large segment of the population. But the other part is also simple class warfare. I know highly trained economist who worked in the Marina and Amoedo campaigns. People who understand full well the threat to democracy that Bolsonaro represents. But the thing about Brazilian class relations is that they are not so abstract thing in people's minds. It's up close and personal. Most upper class people have maids, doormans, cooks, drivers, etc. The easiest way to break the ice with an upper middle class person is to complain about your maid. How you had to lock down the TV in your house because otherwise the maid would only watch novelas, or how you had to spend so much time teaching her to use the new washing machine. For that contingent, it's pure class warfare. They don't want the maid salary going up, the expansion of their labor rights, etc. I've heard more than once how PT has made Brazilians lazy because 10 year ago you could hire anyone you wanted for 300 reais, but now all the lazy bums would rather mooch off of mah money than work! Edit: It's important to remember that while PT may be unpopular, if Lula had been allowed to run he'd be the favorite (and PT still elected the most people to congress). It has taken a massive, organized effort by the people who orchestrated the impeachment to get to the point where PT is the underdog. Lula was arrested in record time, he is currently the only person in jail who is prohibited from talking to the press (and the press is prohibited from printing anything he says), and Moro is releasing depositions by car wash suspects that were rejected by the prosecution for being too flimsy, during the week of the election. joepinetree has issued a correction as of 04:01 on Oct 10, 2018 |
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Oct 10, 2018 03:58
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DEEP STATE PLOT posted:imperialism has a hell of a legacy which side of imperialism is brazil?
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Oct 10, 2018 04:14
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Bip Roberts posted:which side of imperialism is brazil? Settler colonialism. Anyway, left-liberal and Social Democratic parties like the PT just end up proving over and over again that there's no reformist path out of capitalist deprivation. If you're not willing to fight bourgeois class power in real and meaningful ways they'll reassert their dominance inevitably.
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Oct 10, 2018 04:17
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My hope is that just like PSL and NOVO overtook PSDB as the new right, some other parties will finally overtake our current left and get rid of all the baggage of PT's legacy. And then they do the same things as PT but in a lot less apologetically and less centrist fashion
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Oct 10, 2018 04:32
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punk rebel ecks posted:Why is Brazilian politics so bad? The king was going to take away slavery so the slavers had a revolution and talked about how much they loved democracy. Now, nobody was fooled, but free labor!
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Oct 10, 2018 05:22
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Brazil is literally if the CSA won pretty much
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Oct 10, 2018 05:53
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nerdz posted:It's a mix of depressed turnout (the lowest in 20 years), a strong rejection of the party that was in power for the last 16 years and a full-on crisis in all sectors I keep wondering what happens when you combine bolsonaros plans for giving everyone a gun and then disappointing all the working class fools voting for him by loving up worker's rights and privatising everything ACCELERATIONISM!
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Oct 10, 2018 07:27
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is portugese just spanish with ~alho added to the end of every word
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Oct 10, 2018 07:30
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EdithUpwards posted:The king was going to take away slavery so the slavers had a revolution and talked about how much they loved democracy. Is this really what happened? I know NOTHING about Brazil's history.
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Oct 10, 2018 07:31
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The SituAsian posted:I thought it was because Neymar is a diving oval office liberalism has always been susceptible to the rise of dictatorship to protect property holders. The only way forward is workers republics where the property holders are subject to liquidation. Really the only way forward for Brazil is a Mao. Brazil can only survive the twenty first century with someone willing to exterminate both the upperclass while effectively engaging in a campaign of debouguization of the middle. Crowsbeak has issued a correction as of 08:20 on Oct 10, 2018 |
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Oct 10, 2018 08:12
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punk rebel ecks posted:Is this really what happened? From what i've read, slavery was becoming unprofitable, mainly because the slavers had to pay taxes (slaves were assets) and upkeep for every slave, including children, seniors, the sick, etc. Immigrant labor in the southwest was already more efficient and productive, but in the northeast slavery was still the main labor force. Some of the early abolitionist laws were actually a way for slave owners to be allowed to dump unproductive slaves without any consequence. When full abolition finally passed into law, the slavers complained that they should have received compensation for the loss of their assets, and that's why we are a republic.
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Oct 10, 2018 14:22
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https://twitter.com/BlogdoNoblat/status/1049840531268935680
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Oct 10, 2018 14:40
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5hey also kept slaves past the point of legally owning them because why would boug care about law.
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Oct 10, 2018 14:52
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I had this theory that Bolsonaro is trying to create a fox news equivalent out of Record and it's getting less far fetched by the day. I imagine next year whatever news record has will surpass Jornal Nacional in relevance. Globo will probably get the CNN treatment.
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Oct 10, 2018 16:22
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why would you need to create Brazilian Fox News when every news network is right wing anyway?
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Oct 10, 2018 16:50
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cargo cult posted:is portugese just spanish with ~alho added to the end of every word it's French but read in a fashion similar to English
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Oct 10, 2018 17:53
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nerdz posted:The biggest reason is self-explanatory: They've been in power for a super long time, and while they had a pretty strong start, they started getting extremely unpopular by the end, especially after the impeachment. They ended up taking the fall for all the corruption that happened in the last 16 years, part of it because they were framed and smeared, part of it because everyone else managed to hide their asses and last because they actually did their fair share of corruption schemes. PT was in power for 12 and a half years, not 16. The coup pretty much locked them out, remember that.
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Oct 10, 2018 23:13
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What was the coup about?
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Oct 10, 2018 23:19
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Plutonis posted:PT was in power for 12 and a half years, not 16. The coup pretty much locked them out, remember that. I didn't say that they were in power for 16 years, but that they took the fall for the last 16 years, even the last 3 years where they were basically kicked out
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Oct 10, 2018 23:30
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punk rebel ecks posted:What was the coup about? losing 4 elections in a row.
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Oct 10, 2018 23:59
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the only acceptable way to die under the tide of creeping fascism is to go out swinging when they come for you. it's not accurate most of the time to say "suicide is the coward's way out," but in this case, it definitely is
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Oct 11, 2018 00:27
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https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1050147756675870721 RIP brazil
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Also Bozo is running away from debates with the excuse of medical leave, despite going on the telly and rallies. Unfortunately he knows he's his own worst enemy.
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