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Daztek
Jun 2, 2006



Taintrunner posted:

Can I just go on a rant for a minute?

I play a lot of flying/space games. X3:AP, IL-2:BoS, Strike Fighters 2, ArmA3, DCS World, House of the Dying Sun, X-Plane, etc. Flight models are complicated, I get it. But what the gently caress. Shouldn't this be the first loving thing you get sorted? Overwatch started out as grey boxes. Splatoon started out as grey boxes. And six years and 200 million loving dollars later, this is what you're finally getting on about? What the fuuuuuccccckkkk

I don't think you understand game development

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trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

Taintrunner posted:

Can I just go on a rant for a minute?

I play a lot of flying/space games. X3:AP, IL-2:BoS, Strike Fighters 2, ArmA3, DCS World, House of the Dying Sun, X-Plane, etc. Flight models are complicated, I get it. But what the gently caress. Shouldn't this be the first loving thing you get sorted? Overwatch started out as grey boxes. Splatoon started out as grey boxes. And six years and 200 million loving dollars later, this is what you're finally getting on about? What the fuuuuuccccckkkk

No, the first loving thing you have to do is make high-poly models and collect all the money. The last thing is design the network architecture for your MMO.

big nipples big life
May 12, 2014

Taintrunner posted:

Can I just go on a rant for a minute?

I play a lot of flying/space games. X3:AP, IL-2:BoS, Strike Fighters 2, ArmA3, DCS World, House of the Dying Sun, X-Plane, etc. Flight models are complicated, I get it. But what the gently caress. Shouldn't this be the first loving thing you get sorted? Overwatch started out as grey boxes. Splatoon started out as grey boxes. And six years and 200 million loving dollars later, this is what you're finally getting on about? What the fuuuuuccccckkkk

You can't sell grey boxes for thousands of dollars.

Inkel
Feb 19, 2004

College Slice

Colostomy Bag posted:

Yeah, take the schedule with a load of salt. It's been pushed back and Roberts ran late because he missed the train.

it's not his fault - CIG is doing things that no one else has tried before. what other game studios are releasing games where you have to check transit maps to make sure you transfer to the correct trains?

RubberJohnny
Apr 22, 2008
Second stage is starting https://www.twitch.tv/starcitizenbts

Sarsapariller
Aug 14, 2015

Occasional vampire queen


trucutru posted:

And, btw, the reddit is basically dead, as was twitch, as was this thread (in comparison with other years), as was Derek, and the chat, and so on.



The "swag" bag

Ah, looks like Corsair has the third party tie-in this year. Optane and Faceware, of course, already accounted for.

Sarsapariller posted:

some squares:

  • Prerendered cutscene is passed off as gameplay
  • Sale made exclusively available to people who bought a ticket
  • Livestream fails to start on time, by more than 10 minutes
  • Livestream is plagued by technical failures
  • Obviously heavily scripted in-game demo is performed by live employees with cheesy miltac speak
  • Chris shouts directions at poor beleaguered intern working the in-game camera controls
  • A flashy new feature is demo'd that will never, ever be released
  • A flashy new hardware or third-party app tie-in is demo'd that adds nothing to an already bloated product
  • Citizens do victory laps through this and other "Doubter" threads despite no significant feature release
  • Release (###) is rushed out for the con as a bug-riddled lovely mess, no one notices, it contains no significant features
  • (Free square) New Money Only
  • Chris makes at least one ill-advised new feature promise seemingly out of the blue during his presentation
  • Chris gives at least one obviously false upcoming date and Citizens latch onto it until it passes
  • Somehow the tracker passes 200m, giving them a big round number for shill articles
  • Squadron 42? What's that?
  • Sandi's twitter is composed of nothing but setup/take-down/community photos for the next two weeks, Sandi is not present in any shots
  • All of the sideshow streams are basically devs speculating on systems they have yet to develop
  • A BRAND NEW THING FOR SALE
  • ***
  • A BRAND NEW THING FOR SALE PART TWO

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

trucutru posted:





You didn't specify!

what in the gently caress is this poo poo

Kosumo
Apr 9, 2016

Colostomy Bag posted:

I find it funny that the gospel of earning ships was Roberts saying "Yeah, 40 hours of gameplay or so can get you a Constellation."

Currently there is only one to four minutes of "gameplay" in every hour of the game you "play"

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:

Inkel posted:

it's not his fault - CIG is doing things that no one else has tried before. what other game studios are releasing games where you have to check transit maps to make sure you transfer to the correct trains?

Yeah, that was a lol moment when I saw the transit map.

Sarsapariller
Aug 14, 2015

Occasional vampire queen


Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

If you make more than $0.28 per hour you're better off working a job and then buying the Aurora LX.

If you make more than $0.06 per hour you're better off working a job and then buying the Aegis Hammerhead.

That is literally the exact calculation they want Citizens to make.

It's not about selling stuff in game, it's about helping whales justify their next big purchase.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose
These sure are some polygons.

Blue On Blue
Nov 14, 2012

Yep there are at least 2 more companies in the roster previously not mentioned

Cloud inperium rights LLC
And
Cloud imperium rights Ltd


I've mentioned it before but they always seem to find a way to have chris not appear as a director across all these companies.

More shady poo poo

https://i.imgur.com/OhQW9vX.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/CnUvWjL.jpg

Same Chris, director of two different companies. But as far as companies house search is concerned it's two different Chris Roberts'

One listed the address including Cheshire, the other excludes it

And then British American or British-american

On purpose or just sloppy form fillers ?

SoftNum
Mar 31, 2011

Inkel posted:

it's not his fault - CIG is doing things that no one else has tried before. what other game studios are releasing games where you have to check transit maps to make sure you transfer to the correct trains?

Wasn't this major WoW gameplay at one point?

AbstractNapper
Jun 5, 2011

I can help

Colostomy Bag posted:

Yeah, take the schedule with a load of salt. It's been pushed back and Roberts ran late because he missed the train.

Oh, snap.

Beet Wagon
Oct 19, 2015





big nipples big life posted:

If you actually have to contact them and get approved to buy that carrier, we might be looking at a 5 figure jpeg.

That would be glorious.

Seems that way

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Double Agent
Mar 28, 2005

Maybe we're not just a bunch of frak-ups after all.

his nibs posted:

when is the Road to Release thing?

July 14th.

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
The loving train gameplay was so long and dreadful I'm just blown away they didn't warp you to your destination instead of forcing you to stare out the window or wait for the next train

SoftNum
Mar 31, 2011

Sarsapariller posted:

Ah, looks like Corsair has the third party tie-in this year. Optane and Faceware, of course, already accounted for.

This disappoints me so much. I really like corsair. :( (OFC I would have to run like a POWER processor or something to stay away from proc companies that CIG has oozed so.)

SoftNum
Mar 31, 2011

Beet Goblin posted:

Seems that way



THey said in that form you just get a response that's like "we'll reach out on the 22nd"


laff

Kosumo
Apr 9, 2016

With Chris being so rapped up in the train system, will I be able to have a carrer in cleaning the train carriages .... I wish to space land train janitor my way to a Hammerhead. :colbert:

Viscous Soda
Apr 24, 2004

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

what in the gently caress is this poo poo

Weapons grade cringe.

Sarsapariller
Aug 14, 2015

Occasional vampire queen


SoftNum posted:

THey said in that form you just get a response that's like "we'll reach out on the 22nd"


laff

They're going to attach an enormous price tag to it and they don't want every article about Citizen Con to be "CIG SELLS NEW BILLION DOLLAR SPACESHIP"

Beet Wagon
Oct 19, 2015





:reddit: posted:

They actually specifically said in the stream that it was not reasonable. I don't have a timestamp but Chris Roberts mentioned on the stream they would expect a payout for that mission to be around 100k aUEC.

I doubt that very much

Tokyo Sexwale
Jul 30, 2003

big nipples big life posted:

You can't sell grey boxes for thousands of dollars.

Someone following in Roberts's footsteps is going to do it. Like how a block of stone can be envisioned to be any sculpture, gray boxes allow for maximized dreams.

big nipples big life
May 12, 2014

Begun the ship pricing wars have.

Sarsapariller
Aug 14, 2015

Occasional vampire queen


big nipples big life posted:

Begun the ship pricing wars have.

Reddit already trying real hard to be okay with this
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/9n31xc/aurora_160000_auec/?st=jn3n21qi&sh=5da00243

"10 hours to buy a starter ship sounds like a good price to me" :reddit:

Frog Act
Feb 10, 2012



in one fell swoop they alienated every single normal player, I honestly think this is the worst disaster yet. those ship prices are a ship sinker

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose
Hover Bikes? Really?

Nebiros
Apr 25, 2013

The scarf is nice.

EvilMerlin posted:

I highly recommend reading:

The Blond Knight of Germany: A biography of Erich Hartmann
German Fighter Ace Erich Hartmann: The Life Story of the Worlds Highest Scoring Ace
Gunther Rall: A Memoir, Luftwaffe Ace & NATO General
My Logbook: Reminiscences 1938-2006
The German Aces Speak: World War II Through the Eyes of Four of the Luftwaffe's Most Important Commanders
Das Vergessene As: Der Jagdflieger Gerhard Barkhor

and perhaps most importantly The Final Hours: The Luftwaffe Plot against Goring.

Should help correct your incorrect views of history.

Well I'm wildly behind thanks to the thread exploding again, but gently caress it. The Luftwaffe in WW2 were probably the most sadistic of the Nazis. But gently caress it, your Ace there? was highest scoring because he couldn't be retired. The Allied nations pulled pilots off of the line to train other pilots for a reason. Hell though, with enough reports it's become known that the Germans liked to attribute kills from the squadron to the leader for propaganda, that all air crews tended to bullshit their kills on all sides and ironically, not always in the same direction. Some American pilots in the pacific lowered their kill count so they could stay in theater. I'm going to guess none of your books go over them using civilians as target practice, unarmed villages as bombing practice or any of their more 'renowned' leaders though. You want to look up an interesting German of the time, go with Wilhelm Canaris.

I just wanted to shitpost in familiar territory, loving with wehraboos is a hobby at this point.

Drunk Theory
Aug 20, 2016


Oven Wrangler

Frog Act posted:

in one fell swoop they alienated every single normal player, I honestly think this is the worst disaster yet. those ship prices are a ship sinker

The whales keep them alive at this point anyway.

Kosumo
Apr 9, 2016

Credit where it is due - That was Sandi lest cringe appearance at CitizenCon yet .... (So far)

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
DCS sells premium planes. 90 bucks right now gets you a 1:1 recreation of the F/A-18, Su-34, and a giant desert map to gently caress around it. IL-2:BoX sells premium planes and modules. For like 20 to 25 bucks a pop, that are 1:1 recreations of WW2 aircraft. Something a lot harder and arguably a lot more valuable than fake space warships/battleships/fighters. Like you zip around in the F-5E Tiger 2 in DCS World and you can look around, see the armaments rattle on the wing, and struggle to get comfortable with the controls. It's selling you reality, something far harder than a Space WW2 game. And they want you to pay HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS for something a thousand times less fidelitous than recreating an actual, real plane. It's just loving mind boggling.

AbstractNapper
Jun 5, 2011

I can help
A reminder of how cool the Warframe demo started as at this year's TennoCon and it got even better as it went on, closing with space flight, battle and boarding mechanics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPTCq3LiZSE

One Con is stale, the other one isn't.

TheAgent
Feb 16, 2002

The call is coming from inside Dr. House
Grimey Drawer

Beet Goblin posted:

I doubt that very much
it's okay if you go to Uyessios you can find a used ship dealer there with prices that are 3% better

or something, I dunno all this is tier 0

Sarsapariller
Aug 14, 2015

Occasional vampire queen


Star Citizen: Last Train To Parpsville

trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

what in the gently caress is this poo poo

A window into the mind of the writing team that is working on the best game ever.

Beexoffel
Oct 4, 2015

Herald of the Stimpire

Beet Goblin posted:

Seems that way



A limited quality of hulls.

TheAgent
Feb 16, 2002

The call is coming from inside Dr. House
Grimey Drawer
and gently caress you Sean Tracy yes, I can imagine you guys releasing broken poo poo constantly and not doing anything years later to fix basic principle problems

not a single dev has played their game. gently caress them

Frog Act
Feb 10, 2012



Drunk Theory posted:

The whales keep them alive at this point anyway.

yeah but imo there was always a remote possibility that whales would sustain them to something resembling a decent release (like, idk, destiny 2 quality, so poo poo but not unplayable) with a decent number of ships available in a sane way. that was my faintest hope that the game would be redeemed because me and all my friends would probably buy something like that, but nobody i know will spend more than $60 to make a game playable

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Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose
This is the most embarrassing poo poo I've ever seen.

And where'd they find Mini-Lesnick there?

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