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Trabisnikof posted:The tea party was bankrolled by a bunch of big corporations. Who’s going to bank roll your fantasy? Yeah there's a big fat missing piece of the puzzle here
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Azathoth posted:I've pretty much laid it out, the exact tea party plan, but for the left. Or you can just sit back and hope for the best, maybe go to a march or two, y'know if you're not busy. wait you actually think vote then sit on your hands between elections is going to do anything good
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the best part of the plan of “do a tea party” is that someone has to do it while you get to sit here and scold anyone who suggests playing dirty
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yeah the tea party was not some populist loving revolt you goddamn moron and its not a formula to follow on the left. it was astroturfed and the donors are fine with it. it doesnt threaten them at all. maybe you know some Republican Voters In The Suburbs who think Trump is rude or whatever the gently caress but they are not at all fundamentally challenged by the current republican party whatsoever
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one of us is spiderman. and the other one of us is ray liotta. I have lived and nearly died on this loving river of blood that runs through our nation. so I know what's real and what's bullshit, and let me tell you, fellating the loving borderline-Nazi centrist shitheads trying to keep dominating the Democrats is not going to bring you loving peace.Azathoth posted:Still waiting on any plan more viable than "try to become the establishment like the tea party of 2010 became the GOP establishment of 2018". You think the GOP donor base doesn't want Jeb! desperately to come back? you're a scumbag. you centrist liberals, you #StillForHer dipshits, you #VoteBlueNoMatterWho jellyspines, you're the kinda guy who will gently caress it all up yourself. And you're so loving stupid you'll still be begging for the Good Billionaires to bail you out when you have a rifle pointed to your head. Honestly more than anything I'm ashamed all the years of Captain Picard being a moral leader of popular media didn't radicalize the Left into action. We still have so much to learn from those who would put everything on the line to fight for the humanity of the most vulnerable, the most marginalized, if we keep thinking that reelecting Enablers like Tim Kaine and Joe Manchin will somehow save us. We are better than this horseshit.
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Magres posted:Vote and also organize outside of the political system. Primary season is like five months out of every 24 This. It's both. You have to do both of those things. Everybody who thinks you can win with just one of those two things shut the gently caress up, go away and think about why you are wrong
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Azathoth posted:I love how the Democratic Party in your world is simultaneously too incompetent to win nationwide elections but also so hypercompetent that any takeover from within is absolutely impossible and would be ruthlessly crushed with an efficiency that would make Beria blush. That's because you don't understand the purpose of the democratic party (it isn't to win elections)
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Azathoth posted:Still waiting on any plan more viable than "try to become the establishment like the tea party of 2010 became the GOP establishment of 2018". You think the GOP donor base doesn't want Jeb! desperately to come back? These situations are not remotely analogous. There was never any fundamental/deep conflict between the goals of the tea party and the establishment GOP, and the tea party was also effectively not a "grass roots" effort. The GOP would prefer Jeb, but they also are more than fine with tolerating most tea party types (and even Trump is mostly fine to them - the only thing he's done that has really concerned them is the trade war).
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Magres posted:wait you actually think vote then sit on your hands between elections is going to do anything good Where the gently caress are you getting that? Voting is one small part of actually affecting change.
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lol the tea party got millions and millions and millions of dollars, just an obscene amount of money a left equivalent never could hope to match
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I think the general strategy of shotgun primarying as many Centrists as possible is still valid, house seats can be taken from the machine. But also organize outside of that poo poo
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Anyways, consider me vanquished, you can continue to dunk on me at your leisure, I apologize in advance for interrupting your ... whatever the gently caress it is you all do in here. Carry on then.
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Azathoth posted:I love how the Democratic Party in your world is simultaneously too incompetent to win nationwide elections but also so hypercompetent that any takeover from within is absolutely impossible and would be ruthlessly crushed with an efficiency that would make Beria blush. you confuse hypercompetent for what it is as an institution in 2018
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Oct 11, 2018 01:53
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Azathoth posted:Where the gently caress are you getting that? Voting is one small part of actually affecting change. effecting* *rakes in thousands of likes on #resistance twitter*
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If Democrats win national elections it's only through the purely reactionary waves of the election cycle and through no feats of their own.
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Azathoth posted:Anyways, consider me vanquished, you can continue to dunk on me at your leisure, I apologize in advance for interrupting your ... whatever the gently caress it is you all do in here. Carry on then. eat my rear end bitch
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Azathoth posted:Anyways, consider me vanquished, you can continue to dunk on me at your leisure, I apologize in advance for interrupting your ... whatever the gently caress it is you all do in here. Carry on then. loving coward
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Azathoth posted:Anyways, consider me vanquished, you can continue to dunk on me at your leisure, I apologize in advance for interrupting your ... whatever the gently caress it is you all do in here. Carry on then. succccccc
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If there ever becomes a significantly risk that actual left-wing politics is beginning to take over the Democratic Party (and even our current left-fringe folks like Sanders aren't close to this; he's pretty much the right-ward edge of acceptable), things will quickly escalate and there's no way in hell the party will simply let themselves be voted out. They tolerate it now because they still think they have control over the situation.Azathoth posted:I love how the Democratic Party in your world is simultaneously too incompetent to win nationwide elections but also so hypercompetent that any takeover from within is absolutely impossible and would be ruthlessly crushed with an efficiency that would make Beria blush. You think you are making sense here, but you aren't. Winning elections is not as important to the Democratic Party as preventing actual socialists (for example) from coming into power would be. There's a reason some people say that liberals prefer fascists to socialists - it's because it's true. At the end of the day, the people running the Democratic Party will stay rich and comfortable even if the Republicans win, and most active politicians can win without the party as a whole succeeding. But socialists gaining control would actually have a significant impact on their wealth. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 01:57 on Oct 11, 2018 |
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:lol the tea party got millions and millions and millions of dollars, just an obscene amount of money a left equivalent never could hope to match small money donations, most of them only $27, led Bernie Sanders to nearly overtake Hillary in 2016
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Azathoth posted:Anyways, consider me vanquished, you can continue to dunk on me at your leisure, I apologize in advance for interrupting your ... whatever the gently caress it is you all do in here. Carry on then. low energy. sad!
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Ytlaya posted:If there ever becomes a significantly risk that actual left-wing politics is beginning to take over the Democratic Party (and even our current left-fringe folks like Sanders aren't close to this; he's pretty much the right-ward edge of acceptable), things will quickly escalate and there's no way in hell the party will simply let themselves be voted out. They tolerate it now because they still think they have control over the situation. yeah if you think the blairite wing of the labour party panicked and tried to roll it back - imagine what the largest capitalist party in the world will do in the heart of imperialism
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Azathoth posted:Anyways, consider me vanquished, you can continue to dunk on me at your leisure, I apologize in advance for interrupting your ... whatever the gently caress it is you all do in here. Carry on then. lol such conviction in your well considered beliefs. Such faith in your call to action. Surely if you can’t convince this thread, how can this idea convince anyone?
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:You have to relentlessly harass them and make their lives a living Hell. I will piss on their food and then mean mug them as if staring at a camera and tell them that they shouldn't piss on good hospitality
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docbeard posted:I feel like maybe we could do more than one thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1neopIpgAE
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The courts literally ruled that Democrats can break their own rules because as a political party they're a "private" entity and not a public one which is subject to all sorts of regulations. If you don't think they should be spooked into playing fair - or even playing at all - then they're never gonna.
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If Azathoth will crumble so quickly to just a few shitposts, just imagine how easily we can recreate Corbyn's success here in the States. The peace and luxury to explore the stars our within our reach. We simply have to seize them from the petty tyrants and the little lords that insist only they can dominate us all.
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Can we just start a Public Democratic Party? It would be different from theirs because we would Ignite Memories fucked around with this message at 02:03 on Oct 11, 2018 |
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Taintrunner posted:small money donations, most of them only $27, led Bernie Sanders to nearly overtake Hillary in 2016 there's not the infrastructure in place for a relatively diffuse movement akin to the tea party. the right has billionaires who can shift millions around at whim, almost instantaneously—they don't have to coordinate fundraising efforts in the same way this would require.
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"yes but how will you pay for it" Azathoth: oh uh peace out
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Taintrunner posted:If Azathoth will crumble so quickly to just a few shitposts, just imagine how easily we can recreate Corbyn's success here in the States. The peace and luxury to explore the stars our within our reach. We simply have to seize them from the petty tyrants and the little lords that insist only they can dominate us all. Seriously don't get why they think we should vote when that's the level of commitment they're dedicating to just doing outreach
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Azathoth posted:Anyways, consider me vanquished, you can continue to dunk on me at your leisure, I apologize in advance for interrupting your ... whatever the gently caress it is you all do in here. Carry on then. All right I was just going to probate you for being an insufferable rear end and dodging questions like they were constituents outside a Democrat's office, but this last-shot nonsense had convinced me it's time for a  MOD CHALLENGEAzathoth, your posting has violated one of the unspoken but widely understood rules of CSPAM which I did not just make up: not being a sneering cockbag who insists that problems can be resolved by adherence to existing systems. Yes, I know you occasionally tossed in throw-away lines about organizing a tea party-like insurgency while simultaneously demonstrating you know precisely fuckall about what the tea party actually was and how it operated, but no one was fooled. To survive this challenge, you must do the following or face Arbitrary Justice: In the style of Greek Epic Poetry, make a convincing post about how, specifically, leftist insurgent candidates can primary a sitting succdem when the party is now aware of the real threat of same, absolutely hostile to the left as demonstrated by literal observable reality, and has literally gone to court to defend their right to skew primaries the way they want them to go. This challenge will run until Friday evening 12 October 2018. Captain_Maclaine fucked around with this message at 02:09 on Oct 11, 2018 |
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:there's not the infrastructure in place for a relatively diffuse movement akin to the tea party. the right has billionaires who can shift millions around at whim, almost instantaneously—they don't have to coordinate fundraising efforts in the same way this would require. Yeah to take over the Democratic party through the formal process you'd need enough $27 donations for dozens of Bernies.
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Cadaver_Maclaine posted:All right I was just going to probate you for being an insufferable rear end and dodging questions like they were constituents outside a Democrat's office, but this last-shot nonsense had convinced me it's time for a :O
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lmao what stupid idiot dipshit
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Ignite Memories posted:Can we just start a Public Democratic Party? It would be different from theirs because we would The DSA is the closest thing we have to this. Anything else, especially if it can't come to the same level of 50,000+ members by 2020? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeGMHbK4NlA Blow up the drat ship. Hillary in the past week insisted civility can't come back until the Democrats take the White House. She's a loving lunatic and she's wrong. Our entire politics and how we distribute our wealth and resources has to change before 2030. We have to take every loving office and radically change how we do things if we're to save this world from ourselves. You can see the results of  right now as Florida is being obliterated. Things are loving dire and we have to hold the goddamn line.
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we have more, younger people so the most powerful element we have is free time and energy
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MaxPowers posted:So the dems in WA want to just go ahead and raise the bar for young Americans to buy guns. Sorry guys. Since some rear end in a top hat in ANOTHER STATE shot some kids you gotta wait till youre 21 now. hosed up that you wont be able to arm the homeless under the age of 21 IMO
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Cadaver_Maclaine posted:All right I was just going to probate you for being an insufferable rear end and dodging questions like they were constituents outside a Democrat's office, but this last-shot nonsense had convinced me it's time for a 
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Cadaver_Maclaine posted:All right I was just going to probate you for being an insufferable rear end and dodging questions like they were constituents outside a Democrat's office, but this last-shot nonsense had convinced me it's time for a To be fair to Azathoth, I made this incredibly easy considering the clip I linked to in my previous post. Our people, our non-voters, are dire for a loving leader. And the best one we've ever known was a fictional baldheaded fictional starship captain. So try to learn something before responding.
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