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V. Illych L. posted:i think perhaps if you read that post with a slightly more generous eye, another meaning might emerge There really isn't one worth addressing, it's fundamentally a complaint that you don't get instant access to all a political party can do just for showing up.
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Sinteres posted:President Donald Trump said late Wednesday that he is reluctant to cut off arms sales to Saudi Arabia if the kingdom is found to be responsible for the assumed death of Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi, believing such a move could be detrimental to the U.S. economy. Won't this end with some internal Saudi investigation that points the finger at some mid-level intelligence officer who set this up on his own with consulting the chain of command? That scapegoat probably gets hanged or whatever the Saudi's preferred execution method is and then everyone can pretend the issue was properly resolved and move on.
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Oct 12, 2018 05:23
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Buckhead posted:Won't this end with some internal Saudi investigation that points the finger at some mid-level intelligence officer who set this up on his own with consulting the chain of command? Not if Americans vote in a month.
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i am harry posted:Not if Americans vote in a month.
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I just remembered the post of US ambassador to both Saudi Arabia and Turkey are vacant and no one has been nominated to fill them.
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OhFunny posted:I just remembered the post of US ambassador to both Saudi Arabia and Turkey are vacant and no one has been nominated to fill them. Absolutely nobody appreciates Jared's genius.  Meanwhile: https://twitter.com/concoughlin/status/1050665398515822593 
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Buckhead posted:That scapegoat probably gets hanged or whatever the Saudi's preferred execution method is It's been a while since I read the Quran but I believe the Shariat requires flying a plane into the perpetrator's house
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Absolutely nobody appreciates Jared's genius. Wow, that's impressively ghoulish.
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Oct 12, 2018 16:58
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Con Coughlin's an ethics-free journalist who cheerfully shills for whoever will bung him some cash. He was seen attending a party hosted by Saudi Arabia at London's Natural History Museum shortly before that particular piece was published.
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OhFunny posted:I just remembered the post of US ambassador to both Saudi Arabia and Turkey are vacant and no one has been nominated to fill them. 641 days, wow. Guess Jared can do it all!?
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Oct 12, 2018 17:44
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That pastor imprisoned in Turkey is getting released today.
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Elyv posted:That pastor imprisoned in Turkey is getting released today. I'm wondering what the explicit quid pro quo is here or if this is an attempt to leverage the Saudi assassination to swing trumps favor.
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Bip Roberts posted:I'm wondering what the explicit quid pro quo is here or if this is an attempt to leverage the Saudi assassination to swing trumps favor. probaly. trump is an easily swayed moron who falls for honeyed words easy(look at his 180 with North Korea). an actual gesture like that might actually work with him.
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If Turkey really has a loving video of this guy being chopped up, I'd imagine they're going to leverage that as far as they can. The only official Turkish reaction has been this "joint investigation" with KSA right? Everything else has been said through media outlets?
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The hot new take is that he deserved to die because he was uh an Iranian backed Al Qaeda or some poo poo? https://twitter.com/UrbanAchievr/status/1050816491149508608
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Count Roland posted:If Turkey really has a loving video of this guy being chopped up, I'd imagine they're going to leverage that as far as they can. Why would they publicly announce they have the tape if they wanted to use it to extort someone? If they actually had the tape they could have kept it a secret and told MBS they had the tape and demand that he invest several billion dollars into Turkey or they release it.
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"support both directly from the US and indirectly from the Pakistani government"
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Radio Prune posted:"support both directly from the US and indirectly from the Pakistani government" At least you focused on the important part.
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Sinteres posted:The hot new take is that he deserved to die because he was uh an Iranian backed Al Qaeda or some poo poo? because history and context don't exist for these assholes, only the now and sometimes the past if they can twist it.
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qkkl posted:Why would they publicly announce they have the tape if they wanted to use it to extort someone? If they actually had the tape they could have kept it a secret and told MBS they had the tape and demand that he invest several billion dollars into Turkey or they release it. Why not announce it? Its a signal that they're pissed off, that they know what happened, and they they could prove it if they wanted to. If this is true or not is a different story of course. If they only wanted to trash KSA's image they would release the tape and charge a bunch of people with murder, causing a big incident. Turkey is clearly playing a diplomatic game of some sort here.
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Lol https://mobile.twitter.com/macrokurd/status/1050760465318596609
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Apple watch doesn't unlock with fingerprints AFAIK. It's possible they unlocked it with a weak combination or he still had a pulse as it doesn't necessarily auto-lock unless you take it off.
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Martytoof posted:Apple watch doesn't unlock with fingerprints AFAIK. It's possible they unlocked it with a weak combination or he still had a pulse as it doesn't necessarily auto-lock unless you take it off. Or Turkey is trying to find a way to release the audio without admitting they bugged the consulate.
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Volkerball posted:Or Turkey is trying to find a way to release the audio without admitting they bugged the consulate. Honestly this is the most likely explanation and why they've been so coy about everything. Unrelated to this sordid episode, some people within the Trump administration are accusing Turkey of evading US sanctions on Iranian oil by buying it with Venezuelan gold instead of dollars. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-11/why-erdogan-is-maduro-s-new-bff Bloomberg posted:Tons of Venezuelan gold—strip mined in rancid conditions overseen by the military—are being shipped to Turkey for refinement and processing. U.S. officials say some may be making its way to Iran in violation of sanctions on the Islamic Republic.
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Volkerball posted:Or Turkey is trying to find a way to release the audio without admitting they bugged the consulate. Well, I mean, that IS the most likely scenario, but they should probably leak some information that is actually stands up to scrutiny. Then again, who knows how much of this was run through the telephone game.
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Martytoof posted:Well, I mean, that IS the most likely scenario, but they should probably leak some information that is actually stands up to scrutiny. Then again, who knows how much of this was run through the telephone game. The Sauds are going to know it's a lie anyway, the cover story only has to provide enough plausible deniability to give them something to say other than "we bugged 'em".
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Very true. Mainly this was just my inner "WELL ACTUALLY  " internet nerd taking over.
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At this point everyone would be surprised if a consulate in the Middle East isn’t bugged by the host country.
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Squalid posted:Honestly this is the most likely explanation and why they've been so coy about everything. Turkey smuggling gold to Iran was a thing in the previous bout of sanctions-- I guess they just started up the program again.
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IIRC leaked evidence of Erdogan family involvement in smuggling Iranian oil was part of what provoked the anti-Gulen crackdown in the first place.
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Squalid posted:Honestly this is the most likely explanation and why they've been so coy about everything. Of course, since it's suspected of going to Iran, the gold is "strip mined in rancid conditions overseen by the military" right in the opening sentence. If the gold was going elsewhere, the article wouldn't mention that detail at all. US sanctions against Iran are loving stupid and I'm glad everyone is manning up and finding ways to evade them.
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Cat Mattress posted:Of course, since it's suspected of going to Iran, the gold is "strip mined in rancid conditions overseen by the military" right in the opening sentence. If the gold was going elsewhere, the article wouldn't mention that detail at all. You might want to read more about wildcat gold mining in South America.
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Mozi posted:You might want to read more about wildcat gold mining in South America. Yeah, the conditions the Venezuelan miners and environment undergo is very, very toxic.
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Mozi posted:You might want to read more about wildcat gold mining in South America. And nobody loving cares about people destroying our planet's ecosystems. Newspapers generally don't bother pointing out all the ecological damage caused by every single thing they report on. "The new iPhone 78 has just been released -- produced by forced labor in China, closely monitored to prevent them from seeking the sweet release of death; and using rare earth elements obtained at a tremendous environmental cost -- and it has a lot of new fancy apps for your selfies! Woohoo!" Again, if the gold was going to, say, Trump instead, the article wouldn't have mentioned it. The only reason it's mentioned is because ooga booga Iran ooga booga Venezuela.
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Throatwarbler posted:https://twitter.com/LongWarJournal/status/1050398468341227521 I thought we already won that war.
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