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Why is it called that?
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Sep 14, 2018 13:35
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You mean it's not an X-Files / Konosuba crossover?
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Sep 14, 2018 14:25
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I haven't read it directly so I don't know how spoilery this is, but I do know I saw some things related under spoiler bars in another thread. Better safe than sorry. The main character meets a girl who (I think) is terminally ill thanks to pancreatic cancer. The title is a reference to eating something to gain its power; in this case an attempt at black humor about eating a healthy pancreas to cure her's. I'm interested in it, but I just don't have the energy in me right now for something that could really bring the feels down. Kind of the same reason I paused on Dungeon Meshi for a while now after the dragon bit.
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Sep 14, 2018 14:32
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Artificer posted:Why is it called that?
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Sep 14, 2018 14:36
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Oh I was thinking it might have been written by a bitter diabetic 
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Sep 14, 2018 14:52
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I've read all of that manga and it's bittersweet and decent if you're not turned off by the trope of cheerful sick, manic pixie dream girl bringing light into bitter normie who tries to shut himself away from social interaction. I mean, I put it like that, but I do honestly think it was okay. The MC boy does get some callouts about his attitude towards people and that counts for something.
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Sep 14, 2018 18:57
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Wheres the comic about a manic pixie falling in love with another, even more manic, pixie?
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Sep 14, 2018 18:59
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An actual clinically diagnosed manic pixie?
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Sep 14, 2018 22:08
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Sharkopath posted:The artist does a lot of digipaint trick type stuff that leaves some panels flat and they use really simple environmental details for most scenes and all that's perfectly fine and acceptable because small technical detail work usually leads to works being muddled and hard to read anyways. It's super common and since the strength of comic storytelling is usually character work they dominate 80% of the panels in every single manga comic known to man with straight up negative space or sometimes only a couple of lines rendering form to some background objects. There was this webcomic artist who declared that backgrounds in art are overrated at best and distract from the story at worst. Predictably, their webcomic looks like arse. There’s plenty of other problems with Saihate no Paladin asides from lack of interesting backgrounds and architectural incompetence. It’s worthwhile to look at how “character work” is handled since that’s apparently the comic’s artistic draw, and I can’t help but to notice that it’s mediocre at best. You can take any page of dialogue and notice the same recurring problems. The artist constantly changes perspective on the action and the characters, probably out of a misguided sense of dynamism, and doesn’t keep their spatial relationship to each other consistent between panels. This leads to the comic losing any sense of motion and continuity. The sequential art doesn’t look sequential. Let’s consider one example in detail:  First we’re looking at Billy, skeleton man, and ghost wizard from a distant, with skeleton man to Billy’s right and ghost wizard to Billy’s left. In the second panel the reader is looking through Billy’s perspective, looking downwards to the skeleton man to his left… and ghost wizard has suddenly floated to Billy’s left too, behind skeleton man’s shoulder. Third panel is then Billy looking nowhere in particular while listening to them. Fourth panel provides a workable transition in isolation, but soon the perspective pointlessly switches from over the skeleton man’s left shoulder to over his right shoulder. Then we’re looking at skeleton man, and we have another workable transition, except ghost wizard has moved back to where he was in the first panel. It’s just poor continuity. It could have been fixed easily at the planning stage, so here’s a mock-up where I reversed two panels and rearranged some dialogue:  This wouldn’t even mean more work for the artist. It would make their job easier if they didn’t have to draw characters from wildly different angles every two panels, and would maintain a sense of continuity and movement. As it is, they work more for worse results. And there’s trifles to pick at too:  - Skeleton man’s hand is suddenly disembodied, since there’s no arm visible left of the speech bubble. - Billy is clearly not seven years old on this page, no matter what the exposition claims. - The upper left corner is just dead space. - There’s no indication that more than a second or two passes between the panels, so skeleton man’s hand just disappears from Billy’s head. - Where is Billy looking at in the last panel? This may seem trivial, but when the art is consistently this lax, it’s just not very good sequential art. Just compare it to the work of a competent cartoonist:  This is just characters talking and walking, but there’s effort and thought in the composition. While the perspective varies, it originates from a consistent point at the left of the group. Thus there’s a sense of how characters relate to each other in the space they inhabit. Sharkopath posted:The same principle works for action and pacing, thats really all up to the viewer and the greatest comic artists aren't ones that have learned complex shading techniques and the patience to apply it, its artists that understand composition and the subtle bending of natural form to lead the viewers eyes in the right directions and with the right timing that they are left with the desired effect of impact. Another difference between Saihate no Paladin and Dungeon Meshi is that the latter is always drawn with a clear path for the reader’s eyes to follow through the comic, which makes even simple sequences enjoyable to read. Appropriately, on these pages it’s based on the characters’ eyes, which are the dominant element in every panel:   It’s not always perfect: with the second example, the reader is drawn to ignore the speech bubbles in the second-to-last panel. Try to apply similar thinking to Isekai #8992 and you get mixed results. The artist isn’t ignorant of keeping a path for the reader’s gaze to follow, and mainly uses speech bubbles and captions to do it. In fact, those are usually the focus in many panels. This just raises the question of why draw a comic in the first place if text is what dominates the page.   What you’ll probably have noticed in particular is that the artist uses a lot of small panels that vary in perspective and subject, and the result is that the art is both extremely busy and extremely inefficient. Even above you can see panels stuffed with important elements that simultaneously have lots of dead space. In the second example you can even just get rid of two panels without losing anything. Here’s a mock-up of how:  Contrast to an artist who uses small panels to instead emphasises the same perspectives and subjects, like here:  Amuroxander has a great idea. Or here:  ”…with straight up negative space or sometimes only a couple of lines rendering form to some background objects.” Now that was a long post about a bad comic that doesn’t really deserve it, but I ended up rereading Dungeon Meshi because of it, so here’s some avatars I made along the way:                  
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Sep 17, 2018 07:19
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There's only one ghost wizard imprisoned in my heart.
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Sep 17, 2018 08:24
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I'm not sure where this fits best here, but this thread seems as good a spot as any. Coral: the Sea in the Palm of Her Hand is about Sango, who's name means Coral. She's a hospitalised girl who likes to make up stories about mermaids living in the ocean. It's not quite for me, it really makes me anxious even with it's cute moments, but it's pretty good and I'm sure someone would be interested. It's a little  , with some of the mermaids (including the very first you see) being topless, but it's not in a sexual way.Said first mermaid:     And Sango, our storyteller: 
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Sep 22, 2018 14:16
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That last line about a mermaid's flesh granting immortality is either a reference to a horror manga called Mermaid Saga or some sort of japanese folklore
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Sep 22, 2018 23:52
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Jackard posted:That last line about a mermaid's flesh granting immortality is either a reference to a horror manga called Mermaid Saga or some sort of japanese folklore Definitely Japanese folklore, it comes up in other stories involving folklore like Kyokou Suiri The male lead of that manga ate a mermaid and it gave him tremendous regenerative powers, as well as making him repulsive to all youkai
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Sep 23, 2018 00:13
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Definitely the latter. This is mentioned in the next page of the manga: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ningyo It's the tale of Yao/Happyaku Bikuni, where a fisherman catches a mermaid and shares the meat thinking it's just an unusual fish, but one of the other men warns to not eat it. They hide it and throw it away later, except for one drunk man who forgets and gives it to his daughter. She lives to 800 years, most of it as a Buddhist nun, before returning to her home town to end her life in a cave. Onean fucked around with this message at 00:51 on Sep 23, 2018 |
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Sep 23, 2018 00:44
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Yaobikuni/Methuselah OTP
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Sep 23, 2018 01:06
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new slime isekai, and it's one of the best chapters so far https://mangadex.org/chapter/461624 winning hearts and minds through the power of fullmetal alchemist
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Oct 10, 2018 11:47
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New Dungeon Meshi So many good faces, moments....ah this manga continues to be one of the best.
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Oct 13, 2018 06:26
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Huzzah! posted:New Dungeon Meshi I'm guessing the griffon killed Senshi's party/family.
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Oct 13, 2018 08:00
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Captain Invictus posted:new slime isekai, and it's one of the best chapters so far Huzzah! posted:New Dungeon Meshi It's like night and day in quality
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Oct 13, 2018 08:18
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Man dungeon meshi is such mastercraft. Ignoring how good the writing and characterization is, even simple stuff like how clever the depiction of double vision was (with two perspectives overlaid and even the speech bubble issuing from two points) really sets this far above the rest of this crap. And, hey, no creepy sex stuff! At all! That's nice!
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Oct 13, 2018 13:23
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 Just the best faces.
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Oct 13, 2018 13:40
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Deadbeat dad, or divorced dad? This will take 80 issues to be revealed.
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Oct 13, 2018 14:16
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Dungeon Meshi is the best. Everything that's been said about how clever and well-written its, and the amount of thought that goes into it. The Goodnight Punpun-like familiars that Marcille summoned were drat hilarious this chapter. Also the map and level of detail in the world really makes me want to play a D&D campaign set in this setting. I think it'd be pretty fun.
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Oct 13, 2018 14:31
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Elfface posted:Deadbeat dad, or divorced dad? This will take 80 issues to be revealed. And the best part knowing this series. We will eventually meet the family in the future.
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Oct 13, 2018 14:43
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Dog Kisser posted:And, hey, no creepy sex stuff! At all! That's nice!  
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Oct 13, 2018 19:39
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Dungeon Meshi is definitely crying out for more creepy sex stuff.
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Oct 13, 2018 20:06
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Oct 13, 2018 20:25
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   Grab 'em if you want. I might make more later (this chapter has some very good faces).
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Oct 13, 2018 21:51
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quote:Leon, a former Japanese worker, was reincarnated into an “otome game” world, and despaired at how it was a world where females hold dominance over males. It was as if men were just livestock that served as stepping stones for females in this world. The only exceptions were the game’s romantic targets, a group of handsome men led by the crown prince. no. stop.
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Oct 14, 2018 19:27
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Isekai was a mistake.
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Oct 14, 2018 20:02
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Mikl posted:Isekai was a mistake.  Jesus christ was it ever
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Oct 14, 2018 20:03
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Incekai. Edit: That's incel-isekai not incest-isekai because without checking I am 100% certain that is a thing too.
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Oct 14, 2018 20:08
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Reading this, you can tell that the author hasn't played an actual otome game.
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Oct 14, 2018 21:29
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Elfface posted:Incekai. Inceskai is definitely a thing. I wanna say No Game No Life is the prominent example that springs to mind.
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Oct 14, 2018 21:34
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Mors Rattus posted:Inceskai is definitely a thing. I wanna say No Game No Life is the prominent example that springs to mind.
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Oct 14, 2018 21:42
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That was probably one of the dumbest things I have read in my life.  So uhhh.....thanks?
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Oct 14, 2018 21:55
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Compendium posted:Reading this, you can tell that the author hasn't played an actual otome game. I mean, to be fair actual "reborn as villainess in an otome" WNs usually use this sort of pseudo-generic* setting (minus the mecha, though the character in this dumb manga comments on that being unusual), but I have no idea how you'd interpret them as being friendly to any women other than just the protagonist. * in the sense that it doesn't necessarily reflect actual otome games, but still pops up a lot in these "meta" otome stories edit: It's sorta like how a zillion isekai are some "spin" on the premise of fighting a demon lord (which is treated like some common plotline), but hardly any isekai stories exist that actually play that premise straight
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Oct 15, 2018 00:29
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Ytlaya posted:I mean, to be fair actual "reborn as villainess in an otome" WNs usually use this sort of pseudo-generic* setting (minus the mecha, though the character in this dumb manga comments on that being unusual), but I have no idea how you'd interpret them as being friendly to any women other than just the protagonist. It's not so much that as it is the general atmosphere of this otome game setting? It's hard to explain but you can tell that the author Attempted™ to make an otome game world that the protag can poo poo on, but still have Cool™ elements where said protag can excel in and be better than everyone else. Like, I guess my problem is that it's a story where an otome game protag is gonna be usurped in importance by some loser who wants to loudly declare how stupid this fantasy of hot guys is. Also you can tell it's gonna turn into a generic harem aimed at dudes anyways so, yeah gently caress everything about this guy. Edit: Overall, it's just a mean-spirited/incel-y take on the usual reincarnated into an otome game plot. At least in Nozaki, while the guys were confused by the otome game, they really got into it and had great reactions. Compendium fucked around with this message at 00:58 on Oct 15, 2018 |
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Oct 15, 2018 00:54
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Incelkai. 
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