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Cessna
Feb 20, 2013

KHABAHBLOOOM

The Bloop posted:

It really would be best if they could just move forward

Set a show a hundred years after TNG with the first intergalactic ship that really has to be autonomous because of communication time. All new poo poo. EXPLORE

END CHEMTRAILS NOW posted:

I doubt it'll happen, but I'd really like them to go further into the future too. I'd go even further though, into the 30th or 31st century. The idea is for them to have achieved a Culture-like level of technology where they can basically do whatever they want, and plots focus more on things like diplomacy, ethical dilemmas, and interpersonal relationships. I imagine the ship having an embassy on board, with the Romulan and Dominion ambassadors as major characters, and they can occasionally take on diplomats from new species they encounter. Having Spock, Worf, and Quark as part of the cast gave a lot of opportunities to delve into their respective cultures and develop them. Imagine if after the Enterprise encountered Tholians, they had a Tholian ambassador, or a Pakled, or Tamarian, even as minor characters. I think that would be interesting to see.



I thought they were setting that up with Enterprise-J in Enterprise:



But, nope, nothing ever came of it.

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John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

A real hellraiser


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vh28YtsLVcg

Game Sack did a retrospective on Star Trek video games.

The skits in this are cringeworthy and punctuated as l with a random rear end interview of Icheb in the middle, but really comprehensive and shows a bunch of games I never existed. (Skips some really notable ones imo though, namely Anniversary Edition and Starfleet Academy Bridge Simulator)

8one6
May 20, 2012

When in doubt, err on the side of Awesome!

I played the hell out of Star Trek: Elite Force multi-player back in high school. Shafe's mods were great. Freeze tag, Q-ball, throwing dumb poo poo into gsay. There were a ton of fantastic map makers back in the day.

[Evil] and >DG< for life!

Dr. Fishopolis
Aug 31, 2004

ROBOT
rewatching season 2 of TNG, something occurred to me.

at the end of Elementary, Dear Data, they save the sentient Moriarty in the computer with the promise of one day letting him roam around once they figured out the tech. except the enterprise-D crashed before Voyager came back with the doctor's holo-emitter thing.

so Moriarty went to sleep thinking Picard was a man of honor and he'd awaken someday in the future, only to die in a horrible fiery wreck and never know.

cheetah7071
Oct 20, 2010

honk honk
College Slice

Dr. Fishopolis posted:

rewatching season 2 of TNG, something occurred to me.

at the end of Elementary, Dear Data, they save the sentient Moriarty in the computer with the promise of one day letting him roam around once they figured out the tech. except the enterprise-D crashed before Voyager came back with the doctor's holo-emitter thing.

so Moriarty went to sleep thinking Picard was a man of honor and he'd awaken someday in the future, only to die in a horrible fiery wreck and never know.

There's a followup Moriarty episode later on

primaltrash
Feb 11, 2008

(Thought-ful Croak)

cheetah7071 posted:

There's a followup Moriarty episode later on

Yeah and they hosed him over even more.

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


I thought that Generations implied that the Moriarty module survived the crash, like in a pile of stuff in the ready room or something.

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

Well, of course I know him.
He's me.

Sash! posted:

I thought that Generations implied that the Moriarty module survived the crash, like in a pile of stuff in the ready room or something.

Nah, Picard tosses everything aside so he can save his holographic sticker album

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
*crash, tinkle*

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




We actually see him toss aside a gazillion year old ancient archeological treasure he was originally reverent over during TNG.

That said I always assumed they mailed Moriarty's cube off to the Daystrom Institute or something, do we see it during Generations?

MikeJF fucked around with this message at 03:56 on Oct 15, 2018

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

Well, of course I know him.
He's me.

MikeJF posted:

We actually see him toss aside a gazillion year old ancient archeological treasure he was originally reverent over during TNG.

Look man he spent years collecting those stickers

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




If they ever do do a future series there should be references to a hologram/AI 'homeworld' running in some data banks in SF that gets a Federation Council seat.

Throw in some fanservice, say the Doctor was the first representative after campaigning and helping to found it, do a Picardo cameo on the Federation News Service.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

MikeJF posted:

We actually see him toss aside a gazillion year old ancient archeological treasure he was originally reverent over during TNG.

kurlan naiskos

Dr. Fishopolis
Aug 31, 2004

ROBOT

Big Mean Jerk posted:

Nah, Picard tosses everything aside so he can save his holographic sticker album

"you broke your little ships!"

Epicurius
Apr 10, 2010
College Slice

MikeJF posted:

If they ever do do a future series there should be references to a hologram/AI 'homeworld' running in some data banks in SF that gets a Federation Council seat.

It's a holographic mining colony, interestingly enough.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Epicurius posted:

It's a holographic mining colony, interestingly enough.

Holograms hang with Horta. And Horta Holograms.

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

🎧Listen to Cylindricule!🎵
https://linktr.ee/Cylindricule

Epicurius posted:

It's a holographic mining colony, interestingly enough.

They mine FedCoin, and it takes a huge percentage of Earth's power production. Mostly people use them to buy Orion slaves, Romulan ale, and ketracel white.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
Someone forgot the aggressively stupid and extremely written by a man episode of ENT that explains actually the Orion women are secretly in charge and control men with their wild passionate sex smells. This is somehow less sexist and condescending.

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

🎧Listen to Cylindricule!🎵
https://linktr.ee/Cylindricule

People still buy 'em, though! Put the warning text as big as you want and people still click "buy" when they see green tits.

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl

Al Borland Corpse posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vh28YtsLVcg

Game Sack did a retrospective on Star Trek video games.

The skits in this are cringeworthy and punctuated as l with a random rear end interview of Icheb in the middle, but really comprehensive and shows a bunch of games I never existed. (Skips some really notable ones imo though, namely Anniversary Edition and Starfleet Academy Bridge Simulator)

Wow, they skipped a shitload of Trek games.

The endless variations on the old Star Trek minicomputer game that originated in the 70s
The 80s text adventures
The TOS adventure games 25th Anniversary/Judgment Rites
TNG adventure game A Final Unity
Starfleet Command
Starfleet Academy
Klingon Academy
Birth of the Federation
Armada
Bridge Commander

McSpanky
Jan 16, 2005






Big Mean Jerk posted:

Look man he spent years collecting those stickers

Lisa Frank will be an archaeological treasure in the 24th century

Tom Guycot
Oct 15, 2008

Chief of Governors


Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

Wow, they skipped a shitload of Trek games.

The endless variations on the old Star Trek minicomputer game that originated in the 70s
The 80s text adventures
The TOS adventure games 25th Anniversary/Judgment Rites
TNG adventure game A Final Unity
Starfleet Command
Starfleet Academy
Klingon Academy
Birth of the Federation
Armada
Bridge Commander



:psyduck: Uh.... what games are there left to cover? Elite force? The lovely NES one? The lovely atari ones? How does a list of Star Trek games miss all of those??

McSpanky
Jan 16, 2005






Was there a different NES one or are you talking about the NES version of 25th Anniversary that I definitely didn't play for 30 hours and get stuck on the temple puzzle in the first planet and then say fuckit and fly into the neutral zone to fight Romulans until I ran out of dilithium over and over until I got my friend who found a guide off usenet to beat it :negative:

Tom Guycot
Oct 15, 2008

Chief of Governors


Hah, yeah. That game is in the basket of other gems of that era where you start them up, stumble around for 20 minutes trying to do anything then just go play mario 3 again.

Drink-Mix Man
Mar 4, 2003

You are an odd fellow, but I must say... you throw a swell shindig.

Are any of the Deep Space Nine games any good?

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

Drink-Mix Man posted:

Are any of the Deep Space Nine games any good?

Move Along Home is pretty immersive

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




END CHEMTRAILS NOW posted:

The idea is for them to have achieved a Culture-like level of technology where they can basically do whatever they want, and plots focus more on things like diplomacy, ethical dilemmas, and interpersonal relationships.

Incidentally, this was the original intent of TNG and the Enterprise-D. The original plan was that it'd have 5000 people aboard but the skeleton crew count would be like 20 people, it was just a slice of Federation Society cruising along, tactically superior so much that battles didn't matter much, exploring and doing science and getting into ethical dilemmas. That's why it has families; it was meant to be almost a proto-GSV. And if they they did need to fight the battle section was their escort.

They scaled back the count because they didn't have the budget and tech for the scope, and then the writing got a bit more traditional sci-fi pretty quick.

MikeJF fucked around with this message at 09:35 on Oct 15, 2018

McSpanky
Jan 16, 2005






I still love that concept art of the grand hall-sized bridge with couches and barca loungers up front and an observation deck on the second floor, dudes just chillin' in the ship's command center.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




I still think they should've stuck with the conference table on the bridge, it would've been much better in tense situations to call the staff around the table than actually leave the bridge and de-escalate the tension. Could've embedded a big map in it too.

Isometric Bacon
Jul 24, 2004

Let's get naked!
Wow just watching that video I realise there's alot more Star Trek games than I was aware of. The time before the internet was a glorious one.

I grew up playing 25th anniversary and Final Unity. I distinctly remember continually showing my friends the intro of Final Unity because I was in awe at how lifelike I thought the computer generated graphics and voice acting were...

Uhhh...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwMVZJ5sawo

I also remember a number of years later dad bringing home Judgement Rites, and being absolutely astonished that there was another one. When I saw the box I was convinced it had to be the first game re-named, because surely I would have heard of it. Still have it in it's 'limited edition' box with a pin and a VHS tape.

Isometric Bacon fucked around with this message at 11:26 on Oct 15, 2018

Blade_of_tyshalle
Jul 12, 2009

If you think that, along the way, you're not going to fail... you're blind.

There's no one I've ever met, no matter how successful they are, who hasn't said they had their failures along the way.

MikeJF posted:

I still think they should've stuck with the conference table on the bridge, it would've been much better in tense situations to call the staff around the table than actually leave the bridge and de-escalate the tension. Could've embedded a big map in it too.

Ok, but what if it were a coffee table instead, and when they need to chat, they can have some nice mugs of java or hot chocolate, huddle up on big couches, and wear comfy sweaters?

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."
Was there a XCOM-style RTS video game where you controlled a team, or am I imagining that?

Edit: Ah, it was called Away Team. I thought that had been cancelled.

The_Doctor fucked around with this message at 11:33 on Oct 15, 2018

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

A real hellraiser


MikeJF posted:

We actually see him toss aside a gazillion year old ancient archeological treasure he was originally reverent over during TNG.

That said I always assumed they mailed Moriarty's cube off to the Daystrom Institute or something, do we see it during Generations?

In the RLM review they keep saying he tossed it and show the clip and play a jar breaking sound effect, but he clearly places it down gently

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

Drink-Mix Man posted:

Are any of the Deep Space Nine games any good?

Dominion Wars is pretty bad, there's no strategic depth there. The missions are basically "field as many high-end ships as you can (up to six [6]), and press attack move".

McSpanky
Jan 16, 2005






There was a Myst-style DS9 adventure game for PC but I never played it. I rented the SNES DS9 game once or twice but the manual was missing and, as was so often the case with licensed properties back then, it probably wouldn't have helped make sense of the inane game logic or byzantine levels anyway. I think I made Sisko punch out Quark on the Promenade, at least.

Hideous as it is to contemplate, Star Trek Online could well have the best DS9 gameplay yet produced.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




McSpanky posted:

There was a Myst-style DS9 adventure game for PC but I never played it. I rented the SNES DS9 game once or twice but the manual was missing and, as was so often the case with licensed properties back then, it probably wouldn't have helped make sense of the inane game logic or byzantine levels anyway. I think I made Sisko punch out Quark on the Promenade, at least.

The myst game was DS9: Harbinger, and was apparently incredibly bad.

Later on DS9 also had a shooter/adventure game called The Fallen that was apparently quite good, though.

Isometric Bacon
Jul 24, 2004

Let's get naked!

MikeJF posted:

The myst game was DS9: Harbinger, and was apparently incredibly bad.

One of my next door neighbors parents had that game and I have some distinct memories of playing it and finding it very hard.

I never had access to Deep Space 9 growing up, so my understanding of the show came from a wierd mixture of this game mixed with a bunch of deep space 9 paperback novels I had. I loved Star trek but mostly knew it from whatever original series movies and random seasons of TNG my dad happened to have recorded from TV.

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.
I want a DS9 game that's basically Space Station 13 but star trek themed

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John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

A real hellraiser


I want one that's basically Space Station Silicon Valley and you play as shapeshiftin Odo

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