Generic Real Life vs. Fantasy/Game Manga discussion thread.

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Fellis: Feb 14, 2012; Kid, don't threaten me. There are worse things than death, and uh, I can do all of them.

How I got transported to another world and learned to hate women for being cheating sluts: is it wrong to take redpills in a dungeon?

I�m glad they had that dude fall down some stairs because the isekai driver would never hit some pos like that guy

# ? Oct 15, 2018 04:19

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# ? May 11, 2024 18:47

copy: Jul 26, 2007

hasedega isekai

Except for the ones I like. Them shits's nice. They know who they are.

# ? Oct 15, 2018 05:21

Rocko Bonaparte: Mar 12, 2002; Every day is Friday!

LibrarianCroaker posted:

no. stop.

Well, it's above-average due to not buying a catgirl slave in the first chapter.

Fellis posted:

How I got transported to another world and learned to hate women for being cheating sluts: is it wrong to take redpills in a dungeon?

But all the girls just flock to him for being so protective and kind--wait, I just described the harem genre.

(Seriously, that title is perfect)

Rocko Bonaparte fucked around with this message at 05:39 on Oct 15, 2018

# ? Oct 15, 2018 05:35

Slim Jim Pickens: Jan 16, 2012

Remember when Laius milked the four-titty minotaurs?

# ? Oct 15, 2018 07:25

Slim Jim Pickens: Jan 16, 2012

My favourite manga, Oyasumi Familiar

# ? Oct 15, 2018 07:29

Bad Seafood: Dec 10, 2010; If you must blink, do it now.

We really need a Dungeon Meshi thread.

It's unfair anyone who wants to talk about it has to sift through the rest of this thread to do so.

# ? Oct 15, 2018 11:02

Captain Invictus: Apr 5, 2005; Try reading some manga!; Clever Betty

So make one

# ? Oct 15, 2018 11:16

Bad Seafood: Dec 10, 2010; If you must blink, do it now.

Sure, why not.

Give me an hour or so, unless someone wants to cut me off at the pass. Need to take care of some stuff.

# ? Oct 15, 2018 11:24

Bad Seafood: Dec 10, 2010; If you must blink, do it now.

It is done.

# ? Oct 15, 2018 13:28

Jackard: Oct 28, 2007; We Have A Bow And We Wish To Use It

It is pitch black. You are likely to have eaten a grue.

# ? Oct 15, 2018 13:31

Captain Invictus: Apr 5, 2005; Try reading some manga!; Clever Betty

Now that's a thread title

# ? Oct 15, 2018 13:37

Dog Kisser: Mar 30, 2005; But People have fears that beasts do not. Questions, too.

Now to unfollow this thread forever so I don't have to hear about terrible isekais.

# ? Oct 15, 2018 14:15

Bad Seafood: Dec 10, 2010; If you must blink, do it now.

You're welcome.

# ? Oct 15, 2018 14:22

Nipponophile: Apr 8, 2009

Sweet, now we can talk about terrible isekais without those jerks.

# ? Oct 15, 2018 14:30

Mors Rattus: Oct 25, 2007; FATAL & Friends
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I mean, sometimes the isekais aren't actually terrible

just most of the time

# ? Oct 15, 2018 14:37

Wark Say: Feb 22, 2013; by Fluffdaddy

The two from the Konosuba guy seem to be mostly decent? Or did the invaders one turned to crap?

# ? Oct 15, 2018 14:38

Tetracube: Feb 12, 2014; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Dog Kisser posted:

Now to unfollow this thread forever so I don't have to hear about terrible isekais.

# ? Oct 15, 2018 15:26

VictualSquid: Feb 29, 2012; Gently enveloping the target with indiscriminate love.

Bad Seafood posted:

It is done.

I put a link in the OP. But if the strange curse hits and Dungeon Meshi stops updating now, I am blaming you.

Dog Kisser posted:

Now to unfollow this thread forever so I don't have to hear about terrible isekais.

This was originally supposed to be the thread for non-terrible isekais. The problem is that most goons really love their terrible isekais so much that they post about them in ALL the general threads.

# ? Oct 15, 2018 16:59

Elfface: Nov 14, 2010; Da-na-na-na-na-na-na
IRON JONAH

Do we also need a Terrible Isekai Mock Thread? Post three times and get a free child-slave!

I need something good to read now...

# ? Oct 15, 2018 17:14

gimme the GOD DAMN candy: Jul 1, 2007

Wark Say posted:

The two from the Konosuba guy seem to be mostly decent? Or did the invaders one turned to crap?

the wrestler one didn't really do much for me because it relied heavily on slapstick in the form of a man beating up women

# ? Oct 15, 2018 18:53

Ccs: Feb 25, 2011

BravestOfTheLamps posted:

There was this webcomic artist who declared that backgrounds in art are overrated at best and distract from the story at worst.

Predictably, their webcomic looks like arse.

There�s plenty of other problems with Saihate no Paladin asides from lack of interesting backgrounds and architectural incompetence. It�s worthwhile to look at how �character work� is handled since that�s apparently the comic�s artistic draw, and I can�t help but to notice that it�s mediocre at best. You can take any page of dialogue and notice the same recurring problems. The artist constantly changes perspective on the action and the characters, probably out of a misguided sense of dynamism, and doesn�t keep their spatial relationship to each other consistent between panels. This leads to the comic losing any sense of motion and continuity. The sequential art doesn�t look sequential.

Let�s consider one example in detail:

First we�re looking at Billy, skeleton man, and ghost wizard from a distant, with skeleton man to Billy�s right and ghost wizard to Billy�s left. In the second panel the reader is looking through Billy�s perspective, looking downwards to the skeleton man to his left� and ghost wizard has suddenly floated to Billy�s left too, behind skeleton man�s shoulder.

Third panel is then Billy looking nowhere in particular while listening to them. Fourth panel provides a workable transition in isolation, but soon the perspective pointlessly switches from over the skeleton man�s left shoulder to over his right shoulder. Then we�re looking at skeleton man, and we have another workable transition, except ghost wizard has moved back to where he was in the first panel.

It�s just poor continuity. It could have been fixed easily at the planning stage, so here�s a mock-up where I reversed two panels and rearranged some dialogue:

This wouldn�t even mean more work for the artist. It would make their job easier if they didn�t have to draw characters from wildly different angles every two panels, and would maintain a sense of continuity and movement. As it is, they work more for worse results.

And there�s trifles to pick at too:

- Skeleton man�s hand is suddenly disembodied, since there�s no arm visible left of the speech bubble.
- Billy is clearly not seven years old on this page, no matter what the exposition claims.
- The upper left corner is just dead space.
- There�s no indication that more than a second or two passes between the panels, so skeleton man�s hand just disappears from Billy�s head.
- Where is Billy looking at in the last panel?

This may seem trivial, but when the art is consistently this lax, it�s just not very good sequential art. Just compare it to the work of a competent cartoonist:

This is just characters talking and walking, but there�s effort and thought in the composition. While the perspective varies, it originates from a consistent point at the left of the group. Thus there�s a sense of how characters relate to each other in the space they inhabit.

Another difference between Saihate no Paladin and Dungeon Meshi is that the latter is always drawn with a clear path for the reader�s eyes to follow through the comic, which makes even simple sequences enjoyable to read. Appropriately, on these pages it�s based on the characters� eyes, which are the dominant element in every panel:

It�s not always perfect: with the second example, the reader is drawn to ignore the speech bubbles in the second-to-last panel. Try to apply similar thinking to Isekai #8992 and you get mixed results. The artist isn�t ignorant of keeping a path for the reader�s gaze to follow, and mainly uses speech bubbles and captions to do it. In fact, those are usually the focus in many panels. This just raises the question of why draw a comic in the first place if text is what dominates the page.

What you�ll probably have noticed in particular is that the artist uses a lot of small panels that vary in perspective and subject, and the result is that the art is both extremely busy and extremely inefficient. Even above you can see panels stuffed with important elements that simultaneously have lots of dead space. In the second example you can even just get rid of two panels without losing anything. Here�s a mock-up of how:

Contrast to an artist who uses small panels to instead emphasises the same perspectives and subjects, like here:

_{Amuroxander has a great idea.}

Or here:

_{��with straight up negative space or sometimes only a couple of lines rendering form to some background objects.�}

This is a real good post. The other one about the cathedral was also harsh but fair. Those examples posted look good, I�ll have to search them out. They look like they�re from the 70s or 80s?

# ? Oct 15, 2018 19:59

Guyver: Dec 5, 2006

Alexandros is from 2003 but the author Yoshikazu Yasuhiko has been making manga since the late 70s.

# ? Oct 15, 2018 20:20

Captain Invictus: Apr 5, 2005; Try reading some manga!; Clever Betty

New Slime Isekai.

Genuinely intrigued by this topic. I know it's been brought up in plenty of other isekais, the concept of summoning otherworlders to use as tools in your fantasy world, but I can't really think of one that dealt with the social ramifications of it nor the cast-offs like these kids.

edit: what's the series with the character building a sandcastle(?) in the lower left corner of the cover there? Has a cute style.

# ? Nov 9, 2018 12:34

Elfface: Nov 14, 2010; Da-na-na-na-na-na-na
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There's one I forgot the name of, I think it has 'Hans' in it, about a small town Knight who has to deal with all the nut jobs who keep getting isekai'd to his world, which mostly means keeping them busy and away from the military because they'd destabilise the balance of power and start a bunch of wars.

And my first thought of sandcastle - girl was a platelet from 'cells at work' but I think it's a fairly generic Japanese preschool uniform, so lots of options.

# ? Nov 9, 2018 13:21

Mors Rattus: Oct 25, 2007; FATAL & Friends
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I think the title of that one is Shoukishi Hans no Juunan and either way it�s a fun one because the Japanese guys are the supporting cast to Hans, The Most Put Upon Man Ever

# ? Nov 9, 2018 15:33

Jackard: Oct 28, 2007; We Have A Bow And We Wish To Use It

Mors Rattus posted:

I think the title of that one is Shoukishi Hans no Juunan and either way it�s a fun one because the Japanese guys are the supporting cast to Hans, The Most Put Upon Man Ever

Haha, I'm only a few chapters in but I like the Yakuza guy

# ? Nov 9, 2018 22:11

Leaping Mutton: Feb 27, 2010; What could go wrong?

I think it's this one: https://www.mangadex.org/title/14960/chihoukishi-hans-no-junan

I just started it, but looks like it could be a fun one.

# ? Nov 9, 2018 22:25

Mors Rattus: Oct 25, 2007; FATAL & Friends
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It's one of my faves, I just can't spell Japanese transliterations.

# ? Nov 9, 2018 22:31

Nipponophile: Apr 8, 2009

Captain Invictus posted:

edit: what's the series with the character building a sandcastle(?) in the lower left corner of the cover there? Has a cute style.

That's a platelet from Cells at Work.

# ? Nov 9, 2018 23:12

LibrarianCroaker: Mar 30, 2010

Well I read The Vengeful White Cat Lounging on the Dragon King's Lap and it's good.

# ? Nov 10, 2018 03:51

Mors Rattus: Oct 25, 2007; FATAL & Friends
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Gonna recommend Retired Heroes. It's not an isekai, and it's about how these heroes saved the world from the demon king, and have now retired to anonymity so two of them could have and raise a kid. Things get very silly and dumb.

# ? Nov 10, 2018 23:31

Onean: Feb 11, 2010; Maiden in white...
You are not one of us.

You monster. Quite the timing to recommend it.

# ? Nov 11, 2018 01:44

Mors Rattus: Oct 25, 2007; FATAL & Friends
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Onean posted:

You monster. Quite the timing to recommend it.

I exist to share my suffering.

# ? Nov 11, 2018 01:46

Reiche: Jan 28, 2009; I like my coffee with cream and lsd.

Wait why is the timing bad? I started reading Retired Heroes a few days ago and it's a lot of fun!

# ? Nov 11, 2018 02:54

Mors Rattus: Oct 25, 2007; FATAL & Friends
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Reiche posted:

Wait why is the timing bad? I started reading Retired Heroes a few days ago and it's a lot of fun!

I assume the cliffhanger.

# ? Nov 11, 2018 03:06

Onean: Feb 11, 2010; Maiden in white...
You are not one of us.

Yeah, the cliffhanger.

I enjoy it too!

# ? Nov 11, 2018 03:27

sirtommygunn: Mar 7, 2013

Bakarina updated a few days ago, stay safe Katarina! :ohdear:

# ? Nov 11, 2018 05:24

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Mors Rattus posted:

Gonna recommend Retired Heroes. It's not an isekai, and it's about how these heroes saved the world from the demon king, and have now retired to anonymity so two of them could have and raise a kid. Things get very silly and dumb.

Thanks for reminding me about this. Looks like the translator drama has ended as well.

# ? Nov 11, 2018 05:53