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Having trouble deciding if I want to play as a bard or as a ninja. Could someone point me to a guide to the pros and cons of playing each?
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Oct 17, 2018 19:27
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They are both the best.
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Oct 17, 2018 19:28
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Arrrthritis posted:Having trouble deciding if I want to play as a bard or as a ninja. Could someone point me to a guide to the pros and cons of playing each? Pros: Both jobs are constant action with the highest cpm. Cons: RSI.
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Oct 17, 2018 19:35
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I don’t know poo poo about bards but here’s ninja: cons: start at level 1 pros: -flip when you jump -less finicky than monk at doing the work and maintaining buffs, cooler than DRG (I think?) -really cool daggers and animations -feels like you’re playing invoker from hit videogame DOTA 2 -nobody notices when you mess up -melee LB is a huge plus
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Oct 17, 2018 19:36
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Bards don't have to deal with Ten Chi Jin and are probably superior based on that alone. Nin is pretty fun from 45-69 or so though.
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Oct 17, 2018 19:44
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Thundarr posted:Bards don't have to deal with Ten Chi Jin and are probably superior based on that alone. Nin is pretty fun from 45-69 or so though. Foe Requiem is still a DPS loss, but it's definitely not TCJ.
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Oct 17, 2018 20:07
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Note that if there's any lul time it's a fantastic time to use it and basically is free damage especially if it sinks with battle cry/other buffs.
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Oct 17, 2018 20:35
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Bards are my priority mana shift targets
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Oct 17, 2018 20:49
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Chakan posted:-nobody notices when you mess up* * except if you mess up trick attack timing
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Oct 17, 2018 21:01
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Saint Freak posted:No one ever remembers the ABC's of Cerberus I don't think I'll ever get over the WoD run I got in my last alliance raid roulette, which somehow wiped multiple times on angra mainyu AND cloud of darkness but sailed right thru cerberus in one go. how tf does THAT happen???
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Oct 17, 2018 22:16
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Solovey posted:I don't think I'll ever get over the WoD run I got in my last alliance raid roulette, which somehow wiped multiple times on angra mainyu AND cloud of darkness but sailed right thru cerberus in one go. how tf does THAT happen??? If 2 or 3 people do the Cerberus mechanics right, they save everyone and they move on. If 2 or 3 people do Angra and Cloud right, 21 people are dead.
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Oct 17, 2018 22:20
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it seems like every time I do wod that very first pull right out of the gate is always a total shitshow of chimeras running wild paralyzing and freezing idiots all the bosses will drop like they’re hot tho
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Oct 17, 2018 22:25
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Renegret posted:Actually with Cerberus people usually blame the tanks for not picking up the adds, even though they're dead because they did pick up the adds and died because the healers who are allergic to cross alliance healing didn't heal them. So I’ve got my first healer class almost to 50 and I’ve been wondering about this. I know you can turn on mouse mode and use the touchpad to scroll over to the other alliance’s party box to click on individual people, but does anybody know if there is an easier way to cross alliance heal on a controller? Because that would be clunky as hell.
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Oct 17, 2018 22:30
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:If 2 or 3 people do the Cerberus mechanics right, they save everyone and they move on. Sounds about right. Speaking of Alliance Raid, I got a weird WAR queue today where a Tank left/was kicked(?) at the third boss of Void Ark. I dunno if he went offline or just refused to do anything, but it was the easiest ARR I ever got.
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Oct 17, 2018 22:35
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ParliamentOfDogs posted:So I’ve got my first healer class almost to 50 and I’ve been wondering about this. I know you can turn on mouse mode and use the touchpad to scroll over to the other alliance’s party box to click on individual people, but does anybody know if there is an easier way to cross alliance heal on a controller? Because that would be clunky as hell.
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Oct 17, 2018 22:37
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IIRC L1+Dpad right/left will take your cursor into the next/previous Alliance parties, but it does totally suck.
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Oct 17, 2018 22:41
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ParliamentOfDogs posted:So I’ve got my first healer class almost to 50 and I’ve been wondering about this. I know you can turn on mouse mode and use the touchpad to scroll over to the other alliance’s party box to click on individual people, but does anybody know if there is an easier way to cross alliance heal on a controller? Because that would be clunky as hell. I can't offer too much help because I don't play on controller, but honestly you're only need to cross alliance heal when everything turns into a shitshow and starts to spiral out of control. It just so happens that the add phase of Cerberus is always a shitshow.
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Oct 17, 2018 23:04
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Sounds about right. i had a dps AFKing in an MSQ roulette once so as we rolled up on the ultima weapon fight we kicked them person who backfilled had so much less MSQ to do than they thought, they were thrilled lmao
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Oct 17, 2018 23:17
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I wish I could queue in on Ultima Weapon, but I always get the full Blah-blah-brea experience. On the other hand, soon I will no longer need to do MSQ (until 5.0)! 
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Oct 17, 2018 23:36
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Kaubocks posted:i had a dps AFKing in an MSQ roulette once so as we rolled up on the ultima weapon fight we kicked them Had a msq refuse to kick someone offline and treat a random dps and we kept him offline for the entire 45 minutes, so I’m glad that same situation had a better outcome for rando.
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Oct 18, 2018 00:57
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i still haven't really settled on a mch glamor because i'm uncreative and indecisive as gently caress so i shamelessly stole something i saw online so i don't have to look at shire gear
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Oct 18, 2018 02:46
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ChaseSP posted:Note that if there's any lul time it's a fantastic time to use it and basically is free damage especially if it sinks with battle cry/other buffs. Yeah, I don't want people to misunderstand what I said as never use it. It's a fantastic party DPS tool to line up with everyones skills, and a net personal positive if you're not currently using GCDs to use it pre-pull/phase transitions. But mid-rotation it's pretty awful and needs desperately to be shunted off global as soon as the dev team can.
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Oct 18, 2018 03:08
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onesixtwo posted:Had a msq refuse to kick someone offline and treat a random dps and we kept him offline for the entire 45 minutes, so I’m glad that same situation had a better outcome for rando.
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Oct 18, 2018 05:29
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Thundarr posted:Bards don't have to deal with Ten Chi Jin and are probably superior based on that alone. Nin is pretty fun from 45-69 or so though. What's so bad about this? From what I'm reading, it seems like it's sorta like Kassatsu, except it uses the interim jutsus in the process of casting. I found some chart* and I don't understand the opener in it; it uses Ten Chi Jin to cast Suiton, but not long after Trick Attack, so seems like a wasted Suiton. Is the idea just to get in the buffed Fuma/Raiton while the enemy is debuffed with the previous Trick Attack (or is this rotation wrong/outdated)? *https://i.redd.it/mtzxiowbrm7z.png Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 06:15 on Oct 18, 2018 |
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Oct 18, 2018 06:09
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Ytlaya posted:What's so bad about this? From what I'm reading, it seems like it's sorta like Kassatsu, except it uses the interim jutsus in the process of casting. That looks really old. No one really does that first opener anymore and if you are using TCJ in the opener you will use the doton combo since it is more potency.
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Oct 18, 2018 06:19
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slev posted:That looks really old. No one really does that first opener anymore and if you are using TCJ in the opener you will use the doton combo since it is more potency. Okay, that makes sense. My default assumption was that you'd want to use Doton with it (since I think it's the only 3-mudra jutsu that does damage). What is it that makes it confusing/difficult then?
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Oct 18, 2018 06:23
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Ten Chi Jin is the worst skill in the game. It forces you to stand still and take no other actions, so you will end up losing a gcd. Moving at all will drop it and put your mudra on cooldown. You also need to use it if you want max deeps.
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Oct 18, 2018 06:40
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You can't move at all once you hit TCJ or it will cancel and you'll lose out on a bunch of damage. So you need to know when you'll be safe to sit still and fire off 3 mudras in a row, otherwise be prepared to eat AoEs or cancel it to do mechanics if you time it wrong. It also just feels very clunky to have to sit still and stop everything just to use it. It's not terrible once you get used to it or know the fights, but it feels very awkward compared to the rest of NIN's kit.
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Oct 18, 2018 06:41
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TCJ is 1) cancelled by movement, 2) is very sensitive to lag, 3) cancels auto attacks which can throw off ninki timings, 4) just generally feels really bad.
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Oct 18, 2018 06:47
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I doubt I'll ever be so perfect at playing that throwing off ninki timings is actually an issue, but I can see why the not being able to move might be, at least during fights where you're constantly having to dodge things. edit: Btw, they should remove the damage from Jugulate IMO, because as is it's this dumb thing I have to leave on my hotbars just for the sake of maximizing DPS by hitting it on cooldown. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 06:59 on Oct 18, 2018 |
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Oct 18, 2018 06:56
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Since people were talking about MCH glamour a little bit earlier, here's mine. Going for a little bit of the Bayonetta look, inspired by a random goon's comment after seeing my lala wearing glasses. And here's a few extra glamour shots:   EDIT: Did just get the Mendacity pistol though, which is also pretty good. 
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Oct 18, 2018 07:10
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Chakan posted:I don’t know poo poo about bards but here’s ninja:
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Oct 18, 2018 07:57
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I ended up with an extra PS4, EU region key for Stormblood. Does anyone want to buy it off me for the previous sale price(20€)?
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Oct 18, 2018 08:59
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Kaubocks posted:i still haven't really settled on a mch glamor because i'm uncreative and indecisive as gently caress so i shamelessly stole something i saw online so i don't have to look at shire gear Full frontal assault. Yapping Eevee posted:EDIT: Did just get the Mendacity pistol though, which is also pretty good. That pistol is very good.
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Oct 18, 2018 12:32
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Ytlaya posted:I doubt I'll ever be so perfect at playing that throwing off ninki timings is actually an issue, but I can see why the not being able to move might be, at least during fights where you're constantly having to dodge things. It doesn't even have to be in high end content. Plenty of regular content has kicked me in the crotch by popping an AoE under me as soon as I hit TCJ. And it's frustrating because you really are meant to make sure you never waste ninki. However, there are times where you'll end up sitting at cap because "Do I have time for TCJ before this mechanic?" God forbid you hit it at the wrong time, too. You lose the autos, a GCD, and all those mudras, and maybe a Trick Attack depending on when in the fight you mess it up. It doesn't break the class or anything, but TCJ is maddening.
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Oct 18, 2018 13:16
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TCJ is a great way to occasionally feel the rush BLMs feel when they're deciding if its worth moving to avoid the AoE or if they want to finish casting fire4 and eat poo poo (the answer is finish casting)
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Oct 18, 2018 13:34
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I don't know what this Ten Chi Jin poo poo is but it doesn't sound great so I think Ru'By Rhod is going to embrace his destiny as a bard. Thanks for the advice!
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Oct 18, 2018 14:28
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The worst part of playing Bard is just figuring out how to use Troubadour most effectively (here's a hint: don't bother).
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Oct 18, 2018 14:31
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i just habitually use it before a raidwide even if it's not on the right song to mitigate it
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Oct 18, 2018 14:35
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Arrrthritis posted:I don't know what this Ten Chi Jin poo poo is but it doesn't sound great so I think Ru'By Rhod is going to embrace his destiny as a bard. So, you know when you do jutsu, the thing that you do with one seal is different from the thing that you do with three seals, right? Ten Chi Jin lets you invoke after each seal, so instead of just busting out one jutsu, you bust out three.
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