|
Plutonis posted:Cid Gomes (Ciro's brother that was elected senator) shittalked PT during a pro-Haddad rally this monday. These people are so incredibly loving stupid and petty jfc. How many offensive missles does Venezuela have? And what are there range, can they hit pro bolsonario areas?
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2018 20:56
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 1, 2024 15:19 |
|
|
Plutonis posted:We're gonna invade Venezuela in 2020 or earlier with US backing and it'll be a horrible bog just like the Saudis are having with Yemen They've been itching for a war with Colombia for a decade, and Bolsonaro's gonna give them a war that makes them look even better.
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2018 21:11
|
|
|
the venezuelan military has a decent amount of modern toys from russia supplied in the past 20 years, the largest tank force on the continent i believe, and i have no idea if brazil can even sustain a force beyond its borders but it will be interesting to watch
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2018 21:18
|
|
|
brazil has a fairly large military industry of its own that makes aircraft, APCs, artillery etc. though. but also still uses hand me down boats from the 1930s for river patrol duties i think brazil's only foreign deployment of any note in recent decades was a peacekeeping / humanitarian mission to haiti
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2018 21:21
|
|
|
The only way Brazil could and would start a war with Venezuela is if Trump supports it, politically and militarily My hope is that Trump would not want it (seems to me it would be a very expensive war)
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2018 21:32
|
|
|
Elias_Maluco posted:The only way Brazil could and would start a war with Venezuela is if Trump supports it, politically and militarily if there's one thing Trump is known for its definitely parsimony with other people's money
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2018 21:35
|
|
|
Elias_Maluco posted:The only way Brazil could and would start a war with Venezuela is if Trump supports it, politically and militarily It would own the libs so he's gonna do it when he gets a good excuse
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2018 21:36
|
|
|
Elias_Maluco posted:The only way Brazil could and would start a war with Venezuela is if Trump supports it, politically and militarily Trump was dying to invade Venezuela and had to be talked down from it. He kept floating it to dignitaries at the UN and basically everyone in the world told him it was a bad idea.
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2018 21:37
|
|
|
Metal Cat has issued a correction as of 05:25 on Oct 8, 2021 |
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2018 21:50
|
|
|
Defeat communism.
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2018 21:51
|
|
|
Metal Cat posted:But under what casus belli Brazil would start a war with Venezuela? Refugees trying to get into the country isn't gonna justify that. More importantly, why wouldn't they just hire a bunch of mercs instead? It's easy as Hell to invent a casus belli, and if the United States supports them they don't even need one. The international community couldn't stop them from invading Venezuela unilaterally because nobody has the balls to sanction a BRICS country in any way that counts.
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2018 21:54
|
|
|
More than likely the most Brazil will do against Venezuela is help out any future contras financially and materially, and let them hide out in the Amazon if need be.
|
|
#
?
Oct 17, 2018 22:07
|
|
|
i would not be surprised if brazil invaded venezuela with the implied blessing of the US
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2018 05:38
|
|
|
get that OUT of my face posted:i would not be surprised if brazil invaded venezuela with the implied blessing of the US i hope it's an iraq/kuwait situation and we end up invading brazil
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2018 05:44
|
|
|
If the US invaded Brazil I can't think of a single group that would want to or bother resisting. You'd have red carpets being rolled up to the Chinooks.
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2018 05:49
|
|
|
greeted as liberators, i like the sound of that
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2018 05:53
|
|
|
i say swears online posted:i hope it's an iraq/kuwait situation and we end up invading brazil personally i hope it's a three stooges situation where we end up invading venezuela and brazil at the same time and then we invade iran because why the gently caress not
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2018 05:55
|
|
|
Metal Cat posted:But under what casus belli Brazil would start a war with Venezuela? Refugees trying to get into the country isn't gonna justify that. More importantly, why wouldn't they just hire a bunch of mercs instead? I talked to a Brazilian bolsonaro supporter yesterday and he kept on going on about supposed guerilla camps on the border the Venezuelans are supporting, which afaik is total bs but who bothers with truth any more.
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2018 05:55
|
|
|
cool dance moves posted:personally i hope it's a three stooges situation where we end up invading venezuela and brazil at the same time Horseshoe theory in action
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2018 06:02
|
|
|
Looks to me like the Venezuela-Brazil border is nothing but big mean jungle so have fun with that thenElias_Maluco posted:I just answer that PT had the power for 14 years and failed to turn us into Venezuela. And then they got kicked out as soon as PMDB wanted it. My friends gay liberal Brazilian roommate does not like bolsonaro but in every conversation he treats PT like its about to topple the Brazilian state and says that the fact he has to choose between PT and bolso helps him understand bolsonaro supporters (???)
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2018 06:48
|
|
|
That's bc at the moment several media outlets are also doing the same thing of treating Bolso fans the same way Trump fans do. God knows how many times I've seen a worried ex police commander rambling about not being able to murder more, chuddy people on the border cities moaning on how vz refugees are uppity or Norman Rockwell esque figures rambling on just how women and minorities have gone too far on portuguese telly and papers, including a segment where "ele nao" is viewed as slacktivism by bored women that should be on tupperware parties instead. Marielle Franco is treated here in the same way Heather Meyer or JO COX that got murdered are viewed: "someone has died, for political reasons, i guess, should we even wonder what lead to it, nope let's just tie that to tone and populism instead and say that Haddad, Democrats (I know!! I KNOW BUT ACTUALLY GETTING PORTUGUESE TV TO SAY "DSA" IS IMPOSSIBLE, hell Jeff Flake and Mccain were seen as the main opposition to Trump) and Corbyn are just as fearmongering as their opponents." Hell I've seen that pic of Bolso wearing that Ceara hat a whole lot this week onoutlets without even a single "hi here's why he's wearing that hat". Kunster has issued a correction as of 10:56 on Oct 18, 2018 |
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2018 10:51
|
|
|
I would say the damage was done by the media in both countries years before, and it is only directly when an election happens and they see the result of their actions, they start to panic a bit after it is way way too late. They gaslight the population into fearing and hating anything even vaguely left wing, and doubled down on racism and this is the inevitable result. (I wonder if #resistance will exist in Brazil?)
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2018 11:13
|
|
|
Ciro Gomes was part seen as that, even if he did show up to be interviewed by Glenn Greenwald. Which probably makes him leagues better than the US one?
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2018 11:36
|
|
|
A lot of it goes back to what I said in terms of the media losing control of their monster. When Gilberto Gil was culture minister he wanted the creation of a national plan for culture, which would have reallocated spending from programs like the Lei Rouanet and other cultural incentives in places that are farther away from the capitals, and towards more amateur artists. This would have hurt globo directly, because not only did globo get a lot of money for the movie division this way, but a lot of globo artists would be involved in expensive plays that only ran a couple of times a week to accommodate their participation in novelas. So they went all out in denouncing the communist plan to subsidize cultural events outside of the southeast and comparing their plan to the Centro Popular de Cultura that communists supported in the 60s. Sothe changes that Gilberto Gil wanted to implement went nowhere, but then Lei Rouanet and so on all became symbols of the "communist plot" headed by PT.
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2018 15:39
|
|
|
Folha revealed that big companies spent more than 12 million reais to fuel and keep the nation wide network of pro-bolsonaro whatsapp groups through which the endless stream of lies and fake news flow https://outline.com/PUbNkL Of course right now that same network is already being used at full steam deny this edit: oh, and its illegal, since its basically a huge unaccounted campaign donation
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2018 16:41
|
|
|
hoiyes posted:If the US invaded Brazil I can't think of a single group that would want to or bother resisting. You'd have red carpets being rolled up to the Chinooks. Brazil as the 51st state.
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2018 16:41
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/stungusbungus/status/1052941718385975297
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2018 17:57
|
|
|
This article has some good left critique on how PT's concessions led to the animal's rise. https://newmilitant.com/brazils-march-to-barbarism/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2018 18:04
|
|
|
that's pretty fascinating stuff ^
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2018 18:09
|
|
|
That entire article has been pretty much my line of thought on Bolsonaro. He's been softening his rhetoric during the final days of the election, and some of his supporters legitimately believe he will be an economically liberal President. The problem is that those policies are super flawed and guaranteed to fail given our economic situation. Whatever comes after they fail and Bolsonaro becomes unpopular is the real issue here. On another news: The Portugal consulate in Brazil shut off all nationality request applications. The doors are closing, if you want to get out better start working on it. nerdz has issued a correction as of 19:57 on Oct 18, 2018 |
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2018 19:48
|
|
|
Ciro Gomes PDT declared they will require Bolsonaro's impediment based on the latest news. Haddad says he has witnesses and videos that link Bolsonaro to the whatsapp campaign, but havent released it yet Probably nothing is going to happen, but lets see how it turns out The minions are frenetically fighting the "fake news" all over all social networks right now Elias_Maluco has issued a correction as of 20:29 on Oct 18, 2018 |
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2018 20:27
|
|
|
Yeah, like the justice system who made Lula the only person in the country who cannot speak to the media is going to block Bozonaro's candidacy at this point.
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2018 20:42
|
|
|
ZearothK posted:Yeah, like the justice system who made Lula the only person in the country who cannot speak to the media is going to block Bozonaro's candidacy at this point.
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2018 20:43
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/Vinncent/status/1053003455953100801
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2018 20:53
|
|
|
that would be awesome lol
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2018 20:55
|
|
|
That would be cool but would 100% be followed by a coup
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2018 20:57
|
|
|
nerdz posted:That entire article has been pretty much my line of thought on Bolsonaro. He's been softening his rhetoric during the final days of the election, and some of his supporters legitimately believe he will be an economically liberal President. a pivot, you say?
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2018 21:03
|
|
|
Scrub-Niggurath posted:a pivot, you say? I don't believe it for a moment. But if that actually ended up happening and he tried to be a legitimate liberal candidate, it would definitely be short lived. He's been saying several times recently that he wants a democratic, liberal government. But he also signed a letter of the catholic church promising to never legalize drugs or abortion. So yeah, it's kinda easy to see through.
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2018 21:46
|
|
|
Abortion is illegal in brazil?
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2018 22:05
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 1, 2024 15:19 |
|
|
Kurtofan posted:Abortion is illegal in brazil? Much like everything else in Brazil, it is for poors.
|
|
#
?
Oct 18, 2018 22:06
|
|