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Thaddius the Large posted:Fair, I know absolutely nothing about the funding, the big crux of the discussion I heard was that we can either offer funding specific for low-income housing to non-profits, which are private entities and what exactly “low-income” means is still undefined. Some were wanting to make the concession since such housing is so desperately needed, while others resent both that it’s going to private developers and that so much is left ambiguous. I think this is more about being able to encourage private developers more effectively to build projects since they'll now be able to get both federal tax credits AND local funding towards the project since really all low incoming housing is built in partnership these days. There are two different federal tax credit levels and it sounds like they use different levels of AMI and/or special needs to determine the level of tax credits they get. "Low-income" is probably federally defined and I think its 60% of AMI.
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BrandorKP posted:One could have a receipt for a trigger lock. Every new gun comes with a locking mechanism of some kind, so there are a lot of people who own one or several locks with no paperwork of any kind. So either no receipt = no proof even if they did use it, OR receipt for a new firearm = receipt of a lock = proof even if they didn't use it and it's in a drawer or something. Either way, having to find out in court if your lock is going to count or not is extra stupid, and the authors of that garbage would consider that a feature, not a bug.
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Thaddius the Large posted:How it was explained to me, it basically boils down to get about 12,500 low income housing units built by private developers and nonprofits, or get 7,500 low income housing units built, so pick your poison on that. Yeah... My gut feeling was that it probably creates more housing units now, and they're likely be guaranteed to be affordable for a while. But those arrangements are typically time boxed. Even more importantly to me though is these arrangements are probably ceding a stake in the underlying land to private interests, and a big part of why I think real public housing is important is not just the units that serve needs now, but also for banking plots of land in central areas that are only going to be more and more valuable in the future. This seems like one of those things that's good now for incumbent low income renters, but worse for coming generations and the public good generally.
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Javid posted:Every new gun comes with a locking mechanism of some kind, so there are a lot of people who own one or several locks with no paperwork of any kind. So either no receipt = no proof even if they did use it, OR receipt for a new firearm = receipt of a lock = proof even if they didn't use it and it's in a drawer or something. Either way, having to find out in court if your lock is going to count or not is extra stupid, and the authors of that garbage would consider that a feature, not a bug. What would you consider a reasonable regulation around ensuring your gun is properly stored so as to not allow a prohibited person from getting it and using it unlawfully and doesn't rely on a persons word of honor? super nailgun posted:Yeah... My gut feeling was that it probably creates more housing units now, and they're likely be guaranteed to be affordable for a while. But those arrangements are typically time boxed. Even more importantly to me though is these arrangements are probably ceding a stake in the underlying land to private interests, and a big part of why I think real public housing is important is not just the units that serve needs now, but also for banking plots of land in central areas that are only going to be more and more valuable in the future. This seems like one of those things that's good now for incumbent low income renters, but worse for coming generations and the public good generally. It really does come down to do you want x or y units of housing, unfortunately. I'm not sure about elsewhere but I think Seattle and maybe Washington requires any public land be sold at market value. We are legally prohibited from giving it away.
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Teabag Dome Scandal posted:What would you consider a reasonable regulation around ensuring your gun is properly stored so as to not allow a prohibited person from getting it and using it unlawfully and doesn't rely on a persons word of honor? Well... x units of housing that are affordable for their full service life, and the land they sit on remains owned by the state/city and may be redeveloped in the public interest in the future to add more units, or y units that are going to be guaranteed to be affordable for 30 years or something, and after that ??? (luxury condos at market rate when the non-profit is broken down for parts in some shady way and sold off, is my cynical prediction for such things).
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super nailgun posted:Well... x units of housing that are affordable for their full service life, and the land they sit on remains owned by the state/city and may be redeveloped in the public interest in the future to add more units, or y units that are going to be guaranteed to be affordable for 30 years or something, and after that ??? (luxury condos at market rate when the non-profit is broken down for parts in some shady way and sold off, is my cynical prediction for such things). 30 years from now they'll have ideally been seized by the state after the owners were found.. lacking. I guess it really depends on how these things are structured. For instance, I own a home on a property owned by a land trust. I can do whatever I want to the house, but I can't just sell it for whatever I want because I'm technically leasing the land from the trust.
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Teabag Dome Scandal posted:What would you consider a reasonable regulation around ensuring your gun is properly stored so as to not allow a prohibited person from getting it and using it unlawfully and doesn't rely on a persons word of honor? "inside of a locked house in which no prohibited persons reside" springs to mind. Otherwise I'd rather NOT punish people for being the victim of a theft.
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Javid posted:"inside of a locked house in which no prohibited persons reside" springs to mind. Otherwise I'd rather NOT punish people for being the victim of a theft. Seems like having a gun is a bad idea if someone can just steal it and use it without your permission.
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Got my ballot in the mail today. It's really nice to fill this out in my home instead of having to leave the house.
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Javid posted:"inside of a locked house in which no prohibited persons reside" springs to mind. Otherwise I'd rather NOT punish people for being the victim of a theft. If they have a good, they don't have to worry about a theft; that's the whole point of the gun!
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Javid posted:"inside of a locked house in which no prohibited persons reside" springs to mind. Otherwise I'd rather NOT punish people for being the victim of a theft. This is what I get for trying to treat these concerns as genuine instead of paranoid anti government hysteria. This is why no one cares what pro gun people think. You can’t even be serious about it. Punishing people for being the victim of theft 🙄 Teabag Dome Scandal fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Oct 20, 2018 |
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Oct 20, 2018 00:21
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It's only punishing victims of theft who fail to report being a victim of theft to a local law agency "within five days of the time the victim of the unlawful entry knew or reasonably should have known that the firearm had been taken."
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Oct 20, 2018 00:51
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It seems wrong to punish someone for not going to the police
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im voting against the gun thing because letting the police decide who does/doesn't get to have funs is pretty loving stupid because its going to be brown people that doesn't get to have guns edit - lol im leaving my typo because
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ElCondemn posted:Seems like having a gun is a bad idea if someone can just steal it and use it without your permission. Yeah, I’m not understanding why the rest of society has to suffer because someone was completely irresponsible with their firearms.
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quote:In any case where the chief or sheriff of the local RCW 9.41.040 posted:(i) After having previously been convicted or found not guilty by reason of insanity in this state or elsewhere of any felony not specifically listed as prohibiting firearm possession under subsection (1) of this section, or any of the following crimes when committed by one family or household member against another, committed on or after July 1, 1993: Assault in the fourth degree, coercion, stalking, reckless endangerment, criminal trespass in the first degree Criminal trespass in the first degree posted:(1) A person is guilty of criminal trespass in the first degree if he or she knowingly enters or remains unlawfully in a building. Are you ready for a whole lot of protesters getting charged and arrested for criminal trespass because I am!
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How’s I-1631 polling?
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def important for people especially POCs to have guns to defend themselves against cops, it's not like they'll be annihilated with overwhelming militarized force or if they manage to survive incarcerated for decades immediately afterward
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SousaphoneColossus posted:def important for people especially POCs to have guns to defend themselves against cops, it's not like they'll be annihilated with overwhelming militarized force or if they manage to survive incarcerated for decades immediately afterward For me its less about having guns and more about not letting the militarized fascists have even more control over our lives. At its core because it puts the onus on the police for deciding who gets to purchase the weapons we can pretty much say for sure that the largest group of people affected by this will be brown people. While white people who (I think, based on what research I've done) are the most likely to be an active shooter or kill themselves with a gun are probably going to be minimally affected by this. This bill is a really good example of why liberals(and democrats and centrists) are bad, they recognize that something is an issue like say police being racist shitheads, but then refuse to admit the reality of the situation and continue to support politicians, bills and initiatives that give the police more latitude over our lives.
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Nucleic Acids posted:How’s I-1631 polling? crosscut's poll from a couple weeks ago showed support @ 50%, against @ 36%, and undecided @ 14% https://crosscut.com/2018/10/poll-nations-first-carbon-fee-leading-among-voters
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The Seattle Times endorsed Dipshit Baby.
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Trigger locks are dumb. Stop trusting the police to be fair and objective.
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porkface posted:Trigger locks are dumb. "Stop trusting the police" was enough
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Stop having police is more my jam.
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Funny how when you ask gun owners to be loving responsible for their death toys they suddenly cone out of the woodwork to make society responsible for their own fuckups.
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Solkanar512 posted:Funny how when you ask gun owners to be loving responsible for their death toys they suddenly cone out of the woodwork to make society responsible for their own fuckups. shut up cop
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I don't trust the police, but I also don't trust most gun owners. If your argument is "this will put police and gun owners at odds with each other!" I say... 
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I'm fine having police. The mistake was giving them guns.
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Looks like the carbon tax concern trolls on the Times editorial board are at it again https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/editorials/the-seattle-times-recommends-no-on-initiative-1631/
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porkface posted:I'm fine having police. The mistake was giving them guns. Same. No guns for your average police officer and lots of gun safety regulations for everyone sounds good.
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The Oldest Man posted:Looks like the carbon tax concern trolls on the Times editorial board are at it again https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/editorials/the-seattle-times-recommends-no-on-initiative-1631/ Jesus loving Christ. The biggest problem with I-1631 is that the fee is about a thousandth of what it needs to be.
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im on the net me boys posted:shut up cop Lock up your guns before some toddler accidentally shoots their sibling.
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Neolibs in this thread sure do love to other gun owners instead of seeing them as fellow workers lol
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im on the net me boys posted:Neolibs in this thread sure do love to other gun owners instead of seeing them as fellow workers lol “I wasn’t prepared for characters such as Lemon Johnson, a former member of the Communist-led Share Croppers Union. In December 1986, I visited Johnson at his home in rural Montgomery County, which I described in my journal as “a tiny, run-down shack with battered wooden walls, a rusted tin roof that had begun to cave in, and a porch stocked with three rickety chairs.” He fed me a huge lunch of collard greens, beans, Wonder Bread, fried chicken, and a slice of cake. We ate outside and talked for a while; when it became unbearably cold, we moved inside. I sat on his bed as he slouched in a wooden chair next to me. A faded picture of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was tacked to the wall above his head. He told me stories about the 1935 cotton pickers’ strike, Stalin’s pledge to send troops to Mobile to help black sharecroppers if things got out of hand, and the night a well-armed group of women set out to avenge their comrades who had been beaten or killed during the strike. When I asked Mr. Johnson how the union succeeded in winning some of their demands, without the slightest hesitation he reached into the drawer of his nightstand and pulled out a dog-eared copy of V. I. Lenin’s What Is to Be Done and a box of shotgun shells, set both firmly on the bed next to me, and said, “Right thar, theory and practice. That’s how we did it. Theory and practice.“ ” Hammer and Hoe: Alabama Communists during the Great Depression by Robin D. G. Kelley
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im on the net me boys posted:Neolibs in this thread sure do love to other gun owners instead of seeing them as fellow workers lol What I don't get is why people think this argument makes "liberals" feel bad. Why are liberals supposed to be "inclusive" of people who are dangerous, sexist, racist, or whatever other position that sucks? Is it because the "right" think we're saying and doing what we're saying and doing as some kind of dig at them? That we're opposing them because we see ourselves as morally superior to them? It's just loving practical to not want people to be dying in the streets. It's practical to not want our friends, family and even ourselves oppressed or put in danger.
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ElCondemn posted:What I don't get is why people think this argument makes "liberals" feel bad. Why are liberals supposed to be "inclusive" of people who are dangerous, sexist, racist, or whatever other position that sucks? Is it because the "right" think we're saying and doing what we're saying and doing as some kind of dig at them? That we're opposing them because we see ourselves as morally superior to them? Neoliberals love to be the only ones who can define "practical" despite poc and the poor having defended themselves against white supremacists and the police with their firearms
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im on the net me boys posted:It's really not that hard folks if you support gun control you're literally letting racist cops harm people of color. That's it. Nothing will change that. 
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