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Commander Keene
Dec 21, 2016

Faster than the others



Perfectly understandable. I spent most of Persona 4 Golden with my party in the secret agent suit costumes you could buy in Okina.

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RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Also I've gotta say, Care Prayer is some seriously anime poo poo when your main character is wearing armor and Serena's dressed as a schoolgirl.

One more question, I've tried Hit Parade and it wasn't spectacular, any suggestions? Actually, I lied. I have a lot of questions. Quadraslash and Femme Fatale never seem to make it beyond 330-350 damage, is there a way to influence that at all?

Hwurmp
May 20, 2005

Commander Keene posted:

Perfectly understandable. I spent most of Persona 4 Golden with my party in the secret agent suit costumes you could buy in Okina.

a shameful lack of Featherman

Commander Keene
Dec 21, 2016

Faster than the others



Femme Fatale, like all of Jade's damaging Allure skills except Hip Drop, scales off Charm, IIRC. Pumping Jade's Charm is the way to go if you want to utilize those skills. However, from what I can dig up on GameFAQs, it looks like the cap is 370, so you're not going to get much more out of it than what you're getting. Quadraslash scales off the Luminary's Strength, but the cap is roughly the same as Femme Fatale, it seems.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Commander Keene posted:

Femme Fatale, like all of Jade's damaging Allure skills except Hip Drop, scales off Charm, IIRC. Pumping Jade's Charm is the way to go if you want to utilize those skills. However, from what I can dig up on GameFAQs, it looks like the cap is 370, so you're not going to get much more out of it than what you're getting. Quadraslash scales off the Luminary's Strength, but the cap is roughly the same as Femme Fatale, it seems.

I think she's sitting on something like 400 now so that'd explain it and ditto on Quad. What a shame.

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth
Yea I was pretty disappointed with Quadraslash especially when ti became clear that it didn't actually double any power anymore. That said Gigagash is awesome, and so is Kazzap so MC has enough hit-all enemies skills. And of course Sword Dance for single target damage.

Wendell
May 11, 2003

Act 2 meeting Sylvando again. The parade. The hero actually getting into it and prancing around. TEARS OF JOY.

Professor of Cats
Mar 22, 2009

Guys, i'm in act 3 and have casino questions:
Which casino and which lady tells you that there might be a winner? Octogonianinia? And it is specifically the roulette table, yes? I'm gonna start grinding for some stuff

Commander Keene
Dec 21, 2016

Faster than the others



Professor of Cats posted:

Guys, i'm in act 3 and have casino questions:
Which casino and which lady tells you that there might be a winner? Octogonianinia? And it is specifically the roulette table, yes? I'm gonna start grinding for some stuff
Yes, it's the Octagonia casino, and it's the bunny girl right next to the "pillar" that's supposed to have the jackpot tokens in it.

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK
Sep 11, 2001



Professor of Cats posted:

Guys, i'm in act 3 and have casino questions:
Which casino and which lady tells you that there might be a winner? Octogonianinia? And it is specifically the roulette table, yes? I'm gonna start grinding for some stuff

"But I got a feeling someone'll be winning the whole pile before long!."

"And you know what? I got a real strong feeling someone'll be winning the whole pile before too long, Yep, I'm dang near sure of it."

The lady is next to the giant pillar of tokens. Talk to her and hopefully she will say one of the 2 lines above. The first one still took me about 40 mins of playing roulette while I won on the first spin with the latter. If she says something like "have a great time and enjoy yourself", just keep sleeping at a campsite or inn until she says one of those 2.

If you are going for the jackpot, just bet on the columns ie 1-12, 13-26, etc. You will break even every time unless it lands on the treasure chest.

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Professor of Cats posted:

Guys, i'm in act 3 and have casino questions:
Which casino and which lady tells you that there might be a winner? Octogonianinia? And it is specifically the roulette table, yes? I'm gonna start grinding for some stuff

note on act 3 casino prizes: the metal king helm(and also the mk armor) can be hallelujah'd in the trial dungeons, so don't bother with those

the only real unique thing the casino gives you is costumes and books, probably shouldn't bother after that. I mean i'm an idiot so I still spent hours there trying to scrounge up enough chips to give everyone liquid metal helms despite them suddenly being easy to find/make like an hour after i did so, so I don't have room to talk here.

Yinlock fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Oct 20, 2018

Rookersh
Aug 19, 2010
So Act 2 question.

Uh, I had a few uncompleted quests and they seem to have just totally vanished? But now that I have Sylv back a few showed back up.

Will they just reappear as I get back to those regions?

Bongo Bill
Jan 17, 2012

None of the act 1 sidequests can be permanently missed, but it'll be a while before you can access some of them again.

Rascyc
Jan 23, 2008

Dissatisfied Puppy
Quadraslash can be really useful on groups with mixed defense types though, so don't forget about it completely.

Nemo2342
Nov 26, 2007

Have A Day




Nap Ghost

Yinlock posted:

note on act 3 casino prizes: the metal king helm(and also the mk armor) can be hallelujah'd in the trial dungeons, so don't bother with those

the only real unique thing the casino gives you is costumes and books, probably shouldn't bother after that. I mean i'm an idiot so I still spent hours there trying to scrounge up enough chips to give everyone liquid metal helms despite them suddenly being easy to find/make like an hour after i did so, so I don't have room to talk here.

Also the Devilry Drinker shield is a common steal from Hooper Duper enemies at the First Forest Whale Way station. They sell for 30k each so it's a great way to farm up some gold early on.

Baku
Aug 20, 2005

by Fluffdaddy

Yinlock posted:

the only real unique thing the casino gives you is costumes and books, probably shouldn't bother after that. I mean i'm an idiot so I still spent hours there trying to scrounge up enough chips to give everyone liquid metal helms despite them suddenly being easy to find/make like an hour after i did so, so I don't have room to talk here.

The Gringham Whip is the ultimate whip, though you can steal/Hallelujah better weapons than all but the final stage of those in Act 3

Ofecks
May 4, 2009

A portly feline wizard waddles forth, muttering something about conjured food.

Tae posted:

The mobile part SFC remake is arguably the best version

Fixed. DQ3 mobile is based on the remake, but removes two really important things - all monster animations (seriously, why the gently caress would they do this), and Pachisi, which is one of the best minigames I've ever played. Completely butchered.

Go with SFC or even the GBC port, which is a marvel of 8-bit computer software. The former has a 100% complete translation patch, the latter was officially released in NA and had its entire script crammed into the tiny screen by our resident former Enix goon Doug Dinsdale.

I feel like this thread should be remade with a proper OP explaining all of this.

King Bahamut
Nov 12, 2003
internet internet lama sabacthani
Around level 42 in Act 2 with a greatsword main and oomphled unbridled bald has accounted for maybe 80% of my damage output in tough fights for 10+ hours. Is there a point where I’m going to be forced to really mix it up?

Shugojin
Sep 6, 2007

THE TAIL THAT BURNS TWICE AS BRIGHT...


King Bahamut posted:

Around level 42 in Act 2 with a greatsword main and oomphled unbridled bald has accounted for maybe 80% of my damage output in tough fights for 10+ hours. Is there a point where I’m going to be forced to really mix it up?

Not really, it's a very VERY good skill and since it's single target it's super good for boss fights.

Last Celebration
Mar 30, 2010

Ofecks posted:

Fixed. DQ3 mobile is based on the remake, but removes two really important things - all monster animations (seriously, why the gently caress would they do this), and Pachisi, which is one of the best minigames I've ever played. Completely butchered.

Go with SFC or even the GBC port, which is a marvel of 8-bit computer software. The former has a 100% complete translation patch, the latter was officially released in NA and had its entire script crammed into the tiny screen by our resident former Enix goon Doug Dinsdale.

I feel like this thread should be remade with a proper OP explaining all of this.

I mean, the mobile port uses the modern translation so, like, if you got in this series when it started being called Dragon Quest and not Warrior you might like the consistency. He did say arguably after all

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

King Bahamut posted:

Around level 42 in Act 2 with a greatsword main and oomphled unbridled bald has accounted for maybe 80% of my damage output in tough fights for 10+ hours. Is there a point where I’m going to be forced to really mix it up?

The only thing you'll want is to make sure you have another damage dealer as the Hero learns omniheal before anyone else, and omniheal is a super good spell. Also I think that Erdrick's shield is worth using, but obviously if you don't use that, then yea, greatswords are going to be the highest single target damage you can get.

Rookersh
Aug 19, 2010
So Act 2. Just got Sylvando and am heading up to the mountain Carnelian wants me to check out.

If I want Jade and Rab whats the best way to do that? Is it just going to come from these core story beats, or do I need to go someplace specific.

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!
The path is pretty linear. It's not really open as you think.

JustJeff88
Jan 15, 2008

I AM
CONSISTENTLY
ANNOYING
...
JUST TERRIBLE


THIS BADGE OF SHAME IS WORTH 0.45 DOUBLE DRAGON ADVANCES

:dogout:
of SA-Mart forever

Ofecks posted:

Fixed. DQ3 mobile is based on the remake, but removes two really important things - all monster animations (seriously, why the gently caress would they do this), and Pachisi, which is one of the best minigames I've ever played. Completely butchered.

Go with SFC or even the GBC port, which is a marvel of 8-bit computer software. The former has a 100% complete translation patch, the latter was officially released in NA and had its entire script crammed into the tiny screen by our resident former Enix goon Doug Dinsdale.

I feel like this thread should be remade with a proper OP explaining all of this.

I'm currently playing the mobile version of DQII and I was debating which version of 3 to play next; you made up my mind for me as I did know that the mobile version is based off of the SFC version, but I did *not* know that they took out animations and Pachisi. Assuming it wasn't for technical or legal reasons, why the gently caress did they do that?

Assuming that it's not against forum rules, does anyone have a link for the best translation patch for DQIII? I actually own a physical copy of the game and have a device that supports .ips patches and plugs into a modern HDTV, so I think that I'm going to have a go at it that way. I've seen translation patches before, but they all seemed to be in various stages of "not completely done."

Ofecks
May 4, 2009

A portly feline wizard waddles forth, muttering something about conjured food.

JustJeff88 posted:

Assuming that it's not against forum rules, does anyone have a link for the best translation patch for DQIII? I actually own a physical copy of the game and have a device that supports .ips patches and plugs into a modern HDTV, so I think that I'm going to have a go at it that way. I've seen translation patches before, but they all seemed to be in various stages of "not completely done."

Translation patches are fine. Get it here - http://www.romhacking.net/translations/1323/

There's all kinds of cool poo poo at that site, poke around there sometime.

Commander Keene
Dec 21, 2016

Faster than the others



Rookersh posted:

So Act 2. Just got Sylvando and am heading up to the mountain Carnelian wants me to check out.

If I want Jade and Rab whats the best way to do that? Is it just going to come from these core story beats, or do I need to go someplace specific.
Rab is up that mountain. Jade requires the ship (which you should have if you have Sylv) and is in Octagonia, but I got her last so I don't know if there are any other requirements.

JustJeff88
Jan 15, 2008

I AM
CONSISTENTLY
ANNOYING
...
JUST TERRIBLE


THIS BADGE OF SHAME IS WORTH 0.45 DOUBLE DRAGON ADVANCES

:dogout:
of SA-Mart forever

Ofecks posted:

Translation patches are fine. Get it here - http://www.romhacking.net/translations/1323/

There's all kinds of cool poo poo at that site, poke around there sometime.

Thank you. I don't know why I didn't think of that site as I just downloaded a "General Improvement" patch for DWII on the NES a few days ago. If you're curious, it does improve the game, just not nearly as much as any of the remakes. I'm having a fine time with the iOS version instead.

I also was just reminded that the DQIV, unlike I, II, III, V and VI, did not have a SFC version. It did, however, have a PSX version that I had completely forgotten about. While I realise that the game had both DS and mobile ports, I take it that the Playstation version in Japan never had an English patch?

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007
how useful is erik's stealing ability, because i just tried it for the first time and his chances of ever actually nicking anything seem very very low

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!

JustJeff88 posted:

Thank you. I don't know why I didn't think of that site as I just downloaded a "General Improvement" patch for DWII on the NES a few days ago. If you're curious, it does improve the game, just not nearly as much as any of the remakes. I'm having a fine time with the iOS version instead.

I also was just reminded that the DQIV, unlike I, II, III, V and VI, did not have a SFC version. It did, however, have a PSX version that I had completely forgotten about. While I realise that the game had both DS and mobile ports, I take it that the Playstation version in Japan never had an English patch?

the ds version is the ps1 version but on ds

HPanda
Sep 5, 2008

Oxxidation posted:

how useful is erik's stealing ability, because i just tried it for the first time and his chances of ever actually nicking anything seem very very low

At first? Not very. He and the hero get an auto-success pep ability if the hero has flame slash, I believe. Beyond that, it could be worth it to look up which monsters have the good stuff and just use it on those.

Later in the game, it becomes very useful for rare gear and items needed for crafting high rank stuff.

Hwurmp
May 20, 2005

Oxxidation posted:

how useful is erik's stealing ability, because i just tried it for the first time and his chances of ever actually nicking anything seem very very low

It's useful for eventually unlocking Divide, if nothing else.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




I'm sad that they don't comment on costumes changes like 8 did.

SettingSun
Aug 10, 2013

Stealing expensive things to sell is the main way to make money late game. Also, it's a good way to get some of the rarer crafting ingredients.

Your Parents
Jul 19, 2017

by R. Guyovich

Really Pants posted:

It's useful for eventually unlocking Divide, if nothing else.

erik is much better at stealing than Yangus was and it almost works most of the time once you get the panel that increases your steal chance.

poe meater
Feb 17, 2011
For the people who played with stronger monsters:

I ran into Dora and I got blown up. It looks like I'll have to respec Serena's spear tree and go for Snap Crackle and Pop. Spears doesn't seem viable at this point for Serena at this point. I'll probably also have to swap out claws for spears in regards to Jade as well. I'm probably under leveled (26-28ish) and missing some crucial spells. How'd you guys deal with this boss?

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




poe meater posted:

For the people who played with stronger monsters:

I ran into Dora and I got blown up. It looks like I'll have to respec Serena's spear tree and go for Snap Crackle and Pop. Spears doesn't seem viable at this point for Serena at this point. I'll probably also have to swap out claws for spears in regards to Jade as well. I'm probably under leveled (26-28ish) and missing some crucial spells. How'd you guys deal with this boss?

Not using stronger monsters, using Serena to heal, Oomphing the Luminary for tons of Cutting edge/ Unbridled Edge- I do not remember which ones I had unlocked. Gave them one big hit as it charmed one of my party members. That would've been a rough next turn.

Rascyc
Jan 23, 2008

Dissatisfied Puppy

poe meater posted:

For the people who played with stronger monsters:

I ran into Dora and I got blown up. It looks like I'll have to respec Serena's spear tree and go for Snap Crackle and Pop. Spears doesn't seem viable at this point for Serena at this point. I'll probably also have to swap out claws for spears in regards to Jade as well. I'm probably under leveled (26-28ish) and missing some crucial spells. How'd you guys deal with this boss?
Snap crackle pop sylvando/Serena, heal constantly, give sylvando mp items if you have to, keep beating on it with buffed attacks.

Pretty much the answer to most boss fights on hard mode tbh until disruption wave becomes a thing.

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

poe meater posted:

For the people who played with stronger monsters:

I ran into Dora and I got blown up. It looks like I'll have to respec Serena's spear tree and go for Snap Crackle and Pop. Spears doesn't seem viable at this point for Serena at this point. I'll probably also have to swap out claws for spears in regards to Jade as well. I'm probably under leveled (26-28ish) and missing some crucial spells. How'd you guys deal with this boss?

Snap Crackle Pop and Sylvando. I also crafted 4 pairs of the anti-fire "Asbestos" earings. If you can get 3 oomphled divides off with erik, you will win. She was the first boss I actually had a lot of problems with. Worst case there are metal babbles in the area right before the save statue (that heals your mp and hp), so you can find a few of those and get like 10 levels pretty quick.

Ofecks
May 4, 2009

A portly feline wizard waddles forth, muttering something about conjured food.

JustJeff88 posted:

I also was just reminded that the DQIV, unlike I, II, III, V and VI, did not have a SFC version. It did, however, have a PSX version that I had completely forgotten about. While I realise that the game had both DS and mobile ports, I take it that the Playstation version in Japan never had an English patch?

Nope, no patch for that one. I imagine someone somewhere was working on it until the DS port was released, which looks a hell of a lot better than the DQ7 engine. Additionally, DS has a high-quality official translation (plus or minus the wild phonetic accents).

However, you may be interested to know that DQ5 PS2 has an english patch! It's essentially the same game as the DS port minus the ability to marry an additional character (some would say this character is the best choice of spouse). It uses the engine of one of the Torneko roguelikes. Nowhere near as pretty as DQ8 but it serves its purpose OK. Not sure how the patch came to be completed, but it may have been conjecture that DQ5DS wouldn't be brought over. And now no one plays it (except for speedrunners) because DS is the definitive version.

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Nephrite
Aug 18, 2006
Lipstick Apathy

poe meater posted:

For the people who played with stronger monsters:

I ran into Dora and I got blown up. It looks like I'll have to respec Serena's spear tree and go for Snap Crackle and Pop. Spears doesn't seem viable at this point for Serena at this point. I'll probably also have to swap out claws for spears in regards to Jade as well. I'm probably under leveled (26-28ish) and missing some crucial spells. How'd you guys deal with this boss?

You can encounter Liquid Metal Slimes in that area. I would suggest you try and get to around 30, just to give yourself some breathing room.

I don't think fire resist items have any impact on the damage of the laser eyes (or at least Hymn of Fire didn't do me any good.)

If you can get Oomph onto Jade, it'll probably take somewhere between 4-5 Multithrusts to kill her. She only has about 2500 HP if my memory serves, so trying to just go full on offense will work out better than trying to turtle.

But yes, just respec Serena to get Snap Crackle Poof and use it on herself and then Sylvando, have Sylvando break out anyone else who gets charmed, and just go to town.

She really is one of the hardest bosses you'll encounter for quite some time.

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