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Could anyone with a better understanding of the regional politics explain to me why Turkey seems so adamant in investigating the death? Turkey isn’t exactly known for it’s even-handedness with journalists, and I’m not aware of any problems between the two countries.
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Cirrhosis Johnson posted:Could anyone with a better understanding of the regional politics explain to me why Turkey seems so adamant in investigating the death? Turkey isn’t exactly known for it’s even-handedness with journalists, and I’m not aware of any problems between the two countries. turkey's on qatar's side. they don't really line up with israel and KSA's anti-iranian bloc edit, from wikipedia lol quote:According to a 2013 Pew global opinion poll, Turks hold the most negative view of Saudi Arabia out of any surveyed Muslim country, with 26% expressing a favourable view and 53% expressing an unfavourable view.[2]
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Oct 20, 2018 02:35
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From the CNN story on this, it seems like the assassins could have shot the American general but chose not to. Does this mean that senior US personnel are more or less safe, as the Taliban don't want to provoke a harsh American response? Would other militant groups (in Syria or Iraq, say) follow the same logic?
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Oct 20, 2018 03:17
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i say swears online posted:turkey's on qatar's side. they don't really line up with israel and KSA's anti-iranian bloc Yeah and more generally, both Erdogan's Turkey and Qatar have generally supported the Muslim Brotherhood while UAE and Saudi have opposed it and associated Islamist movements. So Turkey recently has also found its foreign policy in conflict with Saudi Arabia in Egypt and Libya. In Erdogan's neo-Ottoman vision he imagines a leading role for Turkey in the Middle East, which naturally threatens Saudi Arabia's status as regional leader.
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Oct 20, 2018 03:32
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Houthi videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iFgR1X6KP4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJyKNHBlFRE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoLEvUUOtlY https://twitter.com/IbnSiqilli/status/1044777694922248193
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Oct 20, 2018 05:31
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He literally has no shame. Or he's literally that stupid. Wow. Just...wow.
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Oct 20, 2018 14:29
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Can't it be both?
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Oct 20, 2018 14:33
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Good read. https://mobile.twitter.com/shadihamid/status/1053643992733229059
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Oct 20, 2018 15:07
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good, i hope it happens. it sounds like both parties(at least in the senate) are sick of the saudies poo poo.
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Oct 20, 2018 15:21
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There is a lot of Saudi money floating around Congress so I will believe it when I see it. But yes it’s something that has to happen.
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Oct 20, 2018 15:23
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Question: When IS was running amok across the Middle East a few years ago and the coalition was formed, why didn'y the Saudis assist?
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Oct 20, 2018 15:30
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pro starcraft loser posted:Question: When IS was running amok across the Middle East a few years ago and the coalition was formed, why didn'y the Saudis assist?
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pro starcraft loser posted:Question: When IS was running amok across the Middle East a few years ago and the coalition was formed, why didn'y the Saudis assist? Probably because no one in their right mind would trust KSA troops at their back. See at that M1, looks like they go out there to cover retreating infantry and get abandoned for the trouble. The big red cooler is a nice touch though.
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Oct 20, 2018 17:16
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pro starcraft loser posted:Question: When IS was running amok across the Middle East a few years ago and the coalition was formed, why didn'y the Saudis assist? They threw money around but that coalition has always been a US operation. Calling it a ~70 nation coalition~ or whatever was just to add legitimacy to it. Only a few countries ever bombed ISIS, and of those that did, they were mostly token gestures like with the UAE and France just so that they could say they participated, or in the case of France, responded to the Charlie Hebdo attack. With that in mind, the Saudi's did as much as about anyone. Aside from that, I'd imagine Yemen and the efforts to promote their proxy forces in Syria probably kept them busy.
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Oct 20, 2018 18:23
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ol, MBS "taking on the clerics in the war of ideas" amounted to "gently caress you, im gonna sell out the palestinians, and im gonna fight foreign wars even if you dont like it"
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Oct 20, 2018 22:53
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Oct 21, 2018 00:33
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https://twitter.com/aliShihabi/status/1053722080976478209  What a piece of poo poo.
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Oct 21, 2018 01:33
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Absurd Alhazred posted:https://twitter.com/aliShihabi/status/1053722080976478209 Utterly shameless.
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Snipee posted:Utterly shameless. on the one hand, if I were a Saudi national journalist right now I'd be loving terrified on the other hand, it's pretty easy to, you know, just loving say nothing
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Oct 21, 2018 05:05
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Snipee posted:Utterly shameless. https://twitter.com/aliShihabi/status/1053688546953957381 
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Oct 21, 2018 05:20
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When you think about it, the most unfair part of Khashoggi's murder is people being too hard on MBS-- he's young, after all, and inexperienced at covering up murders.
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Oct 21, 2018 05:24
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It's worth noting that a bunch of western journalists from places like CNN were retweeting this garbage. 
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Oct 21, 2018 05:26
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Lightning Knight posted:It's worth noting that a bunch of western journalists from places like CNN were retweeting this garbage. Yeah, I don't think they're actually agreeing with him, a lot of journalists will retweet stuff to just bring attention to it rather than endorse them. He might not realize this, of course, and frankly they should probably be a bit more explicit when they're not endorsing something, especially this.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Yeah, I don't think they're actually agreeing with him, a lot of journalists will retweet stuff to just bring attention to it rather than endorse them. He might not realize this, of course, and frankly they should probably be a bit more explicit when they're not endorsing something, especially this. No they were like "oh yes, so powerful" straight up endorsing. I'll see if I can find it. edit: https://twitter.com/ddknyt/status/1053803208441769986 NYT https://twitter.com/erelija/status/1053784571815309312 Former US Ambassdor to Bahrain https://twitter.com/JoshNBCNews/status/1053739430727573504 NBC https://twitter.com/eliselabottcnn/status/1053698241773080576 CNN You can decide what level of endorsement these imply but anything other than "lol holy poo poo wtf" is arguably inappropriate as a response imo. Lightning Knight fucked around with this message at 05:36 on Oct 21, 2018 |
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Oct 21, 2018 05:34
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I wouldn't say endorsement, but I'd definitely say they're retarded "LETS HEAR BOTH SIDES HMM??". The same thing that gets CNN having literal paid shills come on and talk news.
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Oct 21, 2018 05:38
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If his point is that MBS was "too inexperienced" to make the murder of a journalist look like an accident, then he just wishes for a better, potentially deadlier, tyrant.  Also "ill advised"? The poor little MBS is the victim there, can't we horrible westerner see?  Ali Shihabi deserve all the scorn he is currently getting. Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 05:51 on Oct 21, 2018 |
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Oct 21, 2018 05:48
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Ali is correct. I don't give a poo poo, and the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia needs to be destroyed.
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Oct 21, 2018 05:48
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https://thehill.com/opinion/international/411712-how-to-respond-to-saudi-arabia-after-the-khashoggi-disappearance Not going to post any quotes because the article is horrible, but he hums and haws about how oh so COMPLICATED our relationship our relationship is, before suggested the most limp-wristed response imaginable like skipping meetings, and only then if Saudi Arabia refuses to "recalibrate" its "relationship" with the West. Never once does he mention cutting intelligence and logistic support for the war in Yemen. These people make me sick. Think tank "scholars" are the lowest mercenaries on the planet.
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Oct 21, 2018 06:05
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So this is pretty great: https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1053864709697478658
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Oct 21, 2018 13:58
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lol https://twitter.com/borzou/status/1053993503053828096
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Even if this Khashoggi affairs comes to nothing in the end, KSA's reputation has been hurt badly. The next time MBS does something colossally stupid (they typically come every few months) they'll get a lot more flak than they would have in the past.
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Count Roland posted:Even if this Khashoggi affairs comes to nothing in the end, KSA's reputation has been hurt badly. The next time MBS does something colossally stupid (they typically come every few months) they'll get a lot more flak than they would have in the past. He'll be fine as long as he doesn't kill Washington Post or New York Times journalists.
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axelord posted:He'll be fine as long as he doesn't kill Washington Post or New York Times journalists. I can relate to your cynicism but I disagree. Generally speaking, cutting someone to pieces inside your own embassy using a saw while he is alive, and then hiring painters to repaint the place before the official investigators arrive, all the while denying the whole thing, is going to be frowned upon regardless of who the victim is. It could be argued that they hacked the wrong guy to death this time and there is probably some truth to it, but it has nothing to do with him being a WaPo or NYT journalist. I mean surely you can imagine how things would be now if a Fox News anchor or Breitbart writer got murdered by, say, China.
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Oct 21, 2018 18:11
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axelord posted:He'll be fine as long as he doesn't kill Washington Post or New York Times journalists. Wasn't Khashoggi working for WaPo?
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Oct 21, 2018 18:18
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Lightning Knight posted:Wasn't Khashoggi working for WaPo? He'd contributed before.
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quote:Yeah, I mean, that honestly remains to be seen. I think ultimately, though, that this incident doesn't necessarily mean that we should reorient our entire Middle East strategy. I mean, at the end of the day, we have to remember that Khashoggi is not just a columnist for The Washington Post, but he was also a personal friend of Osama bin Laden and was a member of the Muslim Brotherhood. This is an individual, you know - we have to take all of that into account. And I also think that when you are dealing with the Middle... i was listening to npr and a federalist contributor started whipping this out. while on air with someone from the washington post
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wish it were this guy instead of jamal. loving whataboutist lickspittle. see how much you would love your young beutiful king if he had your sawed apart alive. loving dickhead. Lightning Knight posted:No they were like "oh yes, so powerful" straight up endorsing. I'll see if I can find it. why are they giving this dickhead the time of day? gently caress the MSM.
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:i was listening to npr and a federalist contributor started whipping this out. while on air with someone from the washington post what because he interviewed bin laden in loving 1980s. lol gently caress these apologist assholes.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:what because he interviewed bin laden in loving 1980s. lol gently caress these apologist assholes. Yeah. That's on the same level as saying the White Helmets work together with terror organizations (opposed to the Asads).
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