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The worst part is I can't even think of a smug 'oh yea I love (x thing he did that was uniquely evil) too' joke to make here. Like yea gently caress that old ex-spook ghoul just as a whole but yea as far as presidents go his biggest sins were a war that at the very least actually held to its promised borders and didn't really DO much (especially compared to now that his dipshit kid rebooted it to start our forever-war) and just like, normal lovely right wing economics which Clinton would go on to extend in almost every way. Hey guys I'm starting to think America may have a problem!
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VH4Ever posted:Honestly I think UBI might be the only solution in the end. I admit, I'm way better on this subject in pointing out the problem than proposing a solution but I do know that solutions that rely on companies to do the right thing on their own is doomed to fail. I'm afraid it's seizing the means of production or the death of human civilization and most humans, comrade.
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sexpig by night posted:The worst part is I can't even think of a smug 'oh yea I love (x thing he did that was uniquely evil) too' joke to make here. Like yea gently caress that old ex-spook ghoul just as a whole but yea as far as presidents go his biggest sins were a war that at the very least actually held to its promised borders and didn't really DO much (especially compared to now that his dipshit kid rebooted it to start our forever-war) and just like, normal lovely right wing economics which Clinton would go on to extend in almost every way. Read my lips: No New Taxes Narrator: There were new taxes.
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Kilroy posted:UBI does almost nothing to correct the massive power imbalance between the capitalists and everyone else, and only in the most superficial of ways. It's probably something we want to do but if you think it's going to stop the billionaires from owning the rest of us you're dead wrong - like literally in the sense that at best they'll go along with UBI until exterminism becomes a preferable option. Well I'm too old to be fighting in the streets so have fun with all that, I guess. Harik posted:Did he even kickstart any staffer careers that went on to be evil? I thought it was mostly recycled assholes from the nixon and reagan administrations. Colin Powell. Fight me. (but not in the streets)
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The streets will come to you and they will be slicked with the blood of victims.
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VH4Ever posted:Well I'm too old to be fighting in the streets so have fun with all that, I guess.    reply after pointing out the fact of it, from people who should know better, I guess I kind of gave up on hope. That doesn't mean I've changed my mind though: we're thoroughly hosed.(I guess maybe we're in the same boat, if your avatar is anything to go by.)
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sexpig by night posted:The worst part is I can't even think of a smug 'oh yea I love (x thing he did that was uniquely evil) too' joke to make here. Like yea gently caress that old ex-spook ghoul just as a whole but yea as far as presidents go his biggest sins were a war that at the very least actually held to its promised borders and didn't really DO much (especially compared to now that his dipshit kid rebooted it to start our forever-war) and just like, normal lovely right wing economics which Clinton would go on to extend in almost every way. Clarence Thomas.
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I'm not really tuned in to politics in America at the moment, more enthralled with what is going on here in Sweden right now. I am going to let out a hearty lol when Democrats fail to take back the House or the Senate in 2 weeks while flubbing the "Great Caravan" happening in Central America. After laughing, I'll be going to my permanent job, and my cystic fibrosis having wife will be going to her permanent job. Something she couldn't hold in the States and still have vacation time at the end of the year.  Dirk Pitt fucked around with this message at 13:32 on Oct 24, 2018 |
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Oct 24, 2018 13:30
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I wonder if Chuck is going to bring up that guy who stole the Maga hat to show how both sides are wrong since they just found an IED near the Clinton's house.
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Radish posted:I wonder if Chuck is going to bring up that guy who stole the Maga hat to show how both sides are wrong since they just found an IED near the Clinton's house. I’m curious how many the Secret Service have dealt with that didn’t get far enough to get publicized.
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Radish posted:I wonder if Chuck is going to bring up that guy who stole the Maga hat to show how both sides are wrong since they just found an IED near the Clinton's house. https://twitter.com/OsitaNwanevu/status/1055089267188342784
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It really is the most Schumer thing to get your worthless Both Sides bullshit message directly sandwiched between prominent Democratic figures getting bombs mailed to their homes.
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https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1055125519564488704 Someone's really on a roll today.
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Harik posted:https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1055125519564488704 https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1055130583054123008 i can't believe DWS would try to grab power back like this
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You forgot the most important part https://twitter.com/OsitaNwanevu/status/1055144364371070976
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Oct 24, 2018 18:12
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The institution that Democratic voters trust most is...Amazon. https://twitter.com/matthewstoller/status/1055138182197637121 BTW Matt Stoller has been raging on Obama hard for the last 24 hours and getting dragged for it.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:The institution that Democratic voters trust most is...Amazon. Oh look a new follow.
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Dirk Pitt posted:I'm not really tuned in to politics in America at the moment, more enthralled with what is going on here in Sweden right now. I am going to let out a hearty lol when Democrats fail to take back the House or the Senate in 2 weeks while flubbing the "Great Caravan" happening in Central America. After laughing, I'll be going to my permanent job, and my cystic fibrosis having wife will be going to her permanent job. Something she couldn't hold in the States and still have vacation time at the end of the year.
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I am not aware of any prominent liberals that are saying otherwise, i'd love to see some examples so I can add them to my list of people to hate.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:The institution that Democratic voters trust most is...Amazon. Amazon will deliver us universal healthcare via amazon prime when America becomes one big Amazon company town.
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Mister Fister posted:Amazon will deliver us universal healthcare via amazon prime when America becomes one big Amazon company town. BezosBucks are the new petrocurrency. Prime members enjoy MRIs with two day waiting periods. Your mandatory Streaming Hour allows you to enjoy Amazon Exclusives such as Bosch and Sneaky Pete...OR ELSE.
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Lets watch and see if the dems manage to land a decent hit on the GOP for being the party of domestic terrorism.
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The Kingfish posted:Lets watch and see if the dems manage to land a decent hit on the GOP for being the party of domestic terrorism. Considering that was just as true yesterday as today, lol.
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I don't think Schumer could have possibly handled it worse. Its more relevant today than it was yesterday though.
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The Kingfish posted:Lets watch and see if the dems manage to land a decent hit on the GOP for being the party of domestic terrorism. *uproarious fake laughter masking real pain*
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The Kingfish posted:I don't think Schumer could have possibly handled it worse. Its more relevant today than it was yesterday though. Chuck, are... are we the baddies? "Yes we are, their hats only have lovely images of skulls on them for the festive Halloween season!"
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The Kingfish posted:Lets watch and see if the dems manage to land a decent hit on the GOP for being the party of domestic terrorism. By that logic the Democrat's already secured that position with the guy who shot up the baseball game.
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nessin posted:By that logic the Democrat's already secured that position with the guy who shot up the baseball game. who gives a poo poo?
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nessin posted:By that logic the Democrat's already secured that position with the guy who shot up the baseball game. It’s not like Republicans routinely implicitly call for violence against their opponents while Democrats go out of their way to disavow violence because  , or that domestic terrorism is overwhelmingly white nationalist and republicans are the party of white nationalists.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:The institution that Democratic voters trust most is...Amazon. There's been way too much focus on the #1 position, I think. For me, it's far more alarming that Dems still trust the military and the FBI more than they trust the press, non-profits, and labor unions. There's gonna be plenty of donkeys joining the march to fascism.
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Main Paineframe posted:There's been way too much focus on the #1 position, I think. For me, it's far more alarming that Dems still trust the military and the FBI more than they trust the press, non-profits, and labor unions. There's gonna be plenty of donkeys joining the march to fascism. I know I vomit this take out a lot but one of the problems we have is that the consistent Dem voter is very bad. The party is actually quite bad and a lot of the most engaged voters believe bad, stupid things. We need new voters just to dilute these fuckin' idiots.
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A lot of studies suggest that American voters vote out of partisanship and tribal sentiments not policy. In cases where one of the major parties changes its position on a major policy issues the majority of partisan voters just switch their stated position to whatever the new party line is.
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Main Paineframe posted:There's been way too much focus on the #1 position, I think. For me, it's far more alarming that Dems still trust the military and the FBI more than they trust the press, non-profits, and labor unions. There's gonna be plenty of donkeys joining the march to fascism. What’s the actual wording of the question? Because the tweet says “confidence” and I’m confident the FBI will continue to evil poo poo and I’m not very confident that organized labor is going to be able to overcome the jackboot on its throat. I do think a bunch of Dems still think the FBI are good guys but a lovely wording further muddles the result.
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Kilroy posted:Pretty sure if the Democrats fail to take back the House then they are done as a party. lol, no. They'll hobble along as the minority party they are of white urbanites who want to feel good about their station in life. Pod Save America et al. will be dead though Inshallah. Dirk Pitt fucked around with this message at 20:56 on Oct 24, 2018 |
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Helsing posted:A lot of studies suggest that American voters vote out of partisanship and tribal sentiments not policy. In cases where one of the major parties changes its position on a major policy issues the majority of partisan voters just switch their stated position to whatever the new party line is. Also why pandering to Republicans is a loser strategy. Republican voters don't actually care about poo poo like balanced budgets and deficits, they say they do because Republican elites say they do and voters are signaling that they're part of the tribe. But they don't actually care, if a Republican administration nukes the budget with tax cuts and wars, their voters don't care because Republican elites don't care, but the instant a Democrat takes over and the elites start yelling about deficits again they'll care again. (It's also why arguing with a conservative about deficits is amusing, because they will absolutely refuse to believe objective facts like "tax cuts reduce revenue and increase the deficit" or "Obama reduced the budget deficit" or "the record FY2009 budget deficit was signed into law by George W Bush") Running as the real fiscal conservatives or the real Kissinger-loving warhawks, or the real scions of Ronald Reagan doesn't do anything for you because Republicans don't care about any of that poo poo, they care about loyalty to their team of white evangelical identity politics. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Oct 24, 2018 |
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Yeah it's that simple. Pelosi saying "but WE are the fiscally responsible party!" and being flabbergasted that no Republican voters care is just another example on the pile of how they fundamentally don't understand anything.
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The Reactionary Mind really woke me up on this issue. Conservatives ultimately care about creating an overclass accountable to no one and an underclass bound by law but with no real rights and then seek to put themselves in the overclass. Every single decision they make aligns with this priority. They are neofeudalists and everything else is just chaff to distract from this enormously unpopular core position. They don't actually care about taxes (on the underclass) or the size of government (that represses the underclass) or anything else like that.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:I know I vomit this take out a lot but one of the problems we have is that the consistent Dem voter is very bad. The party is actually quite bad and a lot of the most engaged voters believe bad, stupid things. We need new voters just to dilute these fuckin' idiots. The reason they believe these things is, in large part, because those are the things the media wants them to believe. I'm not surprised the FBI rates so highly among Democrats, considering that Comey has been memorialized by the media as the noble nonpartisan hero who sacrificed his job for the sake of trying to save the nation from Trump. His little October Surprise, on the other hand, has largely been forgotten by journalists that are keen to erase its own complicity in Trump's rise and blame it all on Russians instead. Don't blame the Democratic voters for believing these things - believe the talking heads and politicians who've gone to great trouble to spread those narratives among loyalists. Trabisnikof posted:What’s the actual wording of the question? Because the tweet says “confidence” and I’m confident the FBI will continue to evil poo poo and I’m not very confident that organized labor is going to be able to overcome the jackboot on its throat. The exact wording of the question is "How much confidence do you have in the following institutions?", on a 1-4 scale for each one. It also provided the option for people to leave detailed comments about their confidence rating for each institution, but it looks like the pollsters are only releasing those to researchers. The reports do give a few examples, though, and there was some broad analysis of the responses (I can post both if you want). I don't see anything to suggest that people are misreading the question like that.
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