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poo poo POST MALONE posted:I know I'm dumb as hell because I still get tripped up on "wait, so do I vote for this or against this?" based on how it's worded. Corps want it.
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This is why I just do a seconds worth of research to see who's bank rolling the for/against campaigns.
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poo poo POST MALONE posted:I know I'm dumb as hell because I still get tripped up on "wait, so do I vote for this or against this?" based on how it's worded. remember a vote on 1639 is a vote for safety ( itsssss nnnnoooooottttttt )
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MaxPowers posted:remember a vote on 1639 is a vote for safety ( itsssss nnnnoooooottttttt ) The only time you have dropped into this thread is to yell about 1639. You have a marine av, and post in the military sub-forum. You don't hang out with patriot prayer and the proud boys by chance? You sure sound like them.
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Oct 24, 2018 15:27
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DevNull posted:The only time you have dropped into this thread is to yell about 1639. You have a marine av, and post in the military sub-forum. You don't hang out with patriot prayer and the proud boys by chance? You sure sound like them. Are you the loving gatekeeper of this thread?
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Oct 24, 2018 15:35
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As an ignorant Midwesterner, may I ask what 1639 is?
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Oct 24, 2018 15:37
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Frightening Knight posted:As an ignorant Midwesterner, may I ask what 1639 is? https://ballotpedia.org/Washington_Initiative_1639,_Changes_to_Gun_Ownership_and_Purchase_Requirements_Measure_(2018) Gun control initiative: A yes vote supports the ballot initiative to implement restrictions on the purchase and ownership of firearms including raising the minimum age to purchase a gun to 21, background checks, waiting periods, and storage requirements.
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seiferguy posted:https://ballotpedia.org/Washington_Initiative_1639,_Changes_to_Gun_Ownership_and_Purchase_Requirements_Measure_(2018) This link leads to a page does not exist for me but ok. So is a yes vote more gun control and a no vote less?
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Frightening Knight posted:This link leads to a page does not exist for me but ok. So is a yes vote more gun control and a no vote less? Fixed the link, sorry!
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seiferguy posted:Fixed the link, sorry! I see. I’m disappointed it’s focusing on rifles instead of handguns. But it doesn’t affect me so my opinion doesn’t matter I suppose.
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Oct 24, 2018 15:44
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Frightening Knight posted:This link leads to a page does not exist for me but ok. So is a yes vote more gun control and a no vote less? Yes vote is more gun control. And frankly I don't even give a gently caress about whether it's that great of a law at this point, I'll vote for pretty much any gun control out of spite because of what a terrible case gun humpers have made for themselves.
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therobit posted:Are you the loving gatekeeper of this thread? When he sounds exactly like people that have been bringing violence into my real life neighborhood, yes.
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Oct 24, 2018 16:01
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therobit posted:Are you the loving gatekeeper of this thread?
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DevNull posted:When he sounds exactly like people that have been bringing violence into my real life neighborhood, yes. Lol, you are delusional.
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therobit posted:Lol, you are delusional. How am I delusional? Patriot prayer and the proud boys marched on UW campus and through the neighborhood picking fights. They were joined by groups like Cascade Legion and the 3%. The proud boys just attacked a bunch of people in New York and Portland. These are things that have actually happened.
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Independent media, ladies and gentlemen: https://twitter.com/wweek/status/1055119225293987847
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DrNutt posted:Drugs and guns, obviously the same thing, zero differences between them and how they are used. I just think that some of the things that contribute to both gun violence and drug addiction being such pervasive problems are similar. I don't have any guns and only really use them for hunting but I don't like reactions like this: DrNutt posted:Yes vote is more gun control. And frankly I don't even give a gently caress about whether it's that great of a law at this point, I'll vote for pretty much any gun control out of spite because of what a terrible case gun humpers have made for themselves.
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Shifty Nipples posted:I just think that some of the things that contribute to both gun violence and drug addiction being such pervasive problems are similar. I don't have any guns and only really use them for hunting but I don't like reactions like this: Guns are their own mental illness in this country and the less people that have them the better. I'm pretty much done with the precious fee fees of people who hold their rights to stockpile murder weapons over the lives of children. The less people with guns the better.
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DrNutt posted:Guns are their own mental illness in this country and the less people that have them the better. I'm pretty much done with the precious fee fees of people who hold their rights to stockpile murder weapons over the lives of children. The less people with guns the better. It would be better if you did not stigmatize mental health in this way, considering that your average right wing gun nut is perfectly sane, just also a prick.
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Shifty Nipples posted:I just think that some of the things that contribute to both gun violence and drug addiction being such pervasive problems are similar. I don't have any guns and only really use them for hunting but I don't like reactions like this: Also if you're talking about things contributing to both gun violence AND drug addiction in the same breath then you're talking about "problems" at such a macro level that you might as well not bother engaging in discussion.
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Oct 24, 2018 17:11
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Frightening Knight posted:It would be better if you did not stigmatize mental health in this way, considering that your average right wing gun nut is perfectly sane, just also a prick. You're right, and as someone who has dealt with plenty of their own mental illness, I sincerely apologise.
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Oct 24, 2018 17:12
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I've decided I'm going to vote for the gun control measure so if it wins by 1 vote you can blame me.
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the only poll done on 1639 shows 59% in favor, 34% opposed, 7% undecided with a 5% MOE so unless that poll hugely wrong and hosed up it probably won't even be close. And the previous 2 gun control ballot initiatives won by 39 and 19 points respectively source: https://ballotpedia.org/Washington_Initiative_1639,_Changes_to_Gun_Ownership_and_Purchase_Requirements_Measure_(2018) https://ballotpedia.org/Washington_Individual_Gun_Access_Prevention_by_Court_Order,_Initiative_1491_(2016) https://ballotpedia.org/Washington_Universal_Background_Checks_for_Gun_Purchases,_Initiative_594_(2014)
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Oct 24, 2018 20:25
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My understanding is that gun rights groups such as the NRA really didn't put any funding into the no on 1639 effort. It doesn't have the insane corporate backing that the other ones have.
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Oct 24, 2018 20:36
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Listen to Nobody's Biz by the Four Fists. Then come see them tonight at Neumo's. I don't understand why Republicans need to own guns when they can just call the police to shoot people for them.
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Oct 24, 2018 22:17
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conservatives simultaneously worship and revere cops/military and also need guns to shoot them in case the gubmint comes to redistribute their medicare
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Oct 24, 2018 22:21
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WA is going to continue to be The Good Place, with regressive taxes.
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Oct 25, 2018 03:05
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What I'm saying is Bob Ferguson is a time traveling Ted Danson.
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seiferguy posted:A yes vote supports the ballot initiative to implement restrictions on the purchase and ownership of firearms including raising the minimum age to purchase a gun to 21, background checks, waiting periods, and storage requirements. Restrictions enforced by the super moral and just group of people know as the cops, even.
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Oct 25, 2018 03:27
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So.... "Under the measure, a person who left a firearm in a place where a prohibited person (someone who is prohibited from firearm possession under state or federal law) could potentially gain access to the firearm would be guilty of community endangerment, a class C felony, if a prohibited person gained access to the firearm. Under the measure, when selling a firearm, every dealer would be required to offer to sell or give the purchaser a gun storage device such as a trigger lock designed to stop unauthorized use of the firearm. Additionally, every place where firearms are sold would be required to display the following sign, in block letters (capitalized) and at least one inch in height" If someone steals a firearm, why should I be charged with a class C felony? What are the crime rates involving the following? -Individuals under 21 -Semi automatic rifles
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Senor P. posted:What are the crime rates involving the following?  Clearly our most pressing problem, just 9th in line, behind such mortal terrors as "being beaten to death by an unarmed assailant" and just edging out "being lit directly on fire"
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Javid posted:
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fbi dot gov https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....n_2009-2013.xls e: I mean I personally made the pie chart, but using FBI numbers
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Javid posted:
Have you called the FBI and let them know you have a forensic methodology for eliminating rifles as a possible murder weapon purely from looking at an Excel file? Because they should really bring you on as a consultant.
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Oct 25, 2018 04:24
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Christ. I was wrong. The show's at the Nectar. Gonna be a long night.
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Thanatosian posted:If it's an "unknown firearm," how do you know it's not a rifle? Not really, like if they had any idea what it was it wouldn't be "unknown", it was either leave it as a category or assume they're divided proportionally to the other firearm categories which would've not even pushed rifles out of the 2.x% range iirc If you've got a better way to divine the composition of that "unknown" slice of the chart lay it out and we can see what it comes out to
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assault rifles are suspect because of the outlier incidents of high casualty shootings, and also because they are military weapons and there's a general sense they dont belong in civil society. If we were basing gun laws on statistics they'd be a lot harsher, anyway.
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Oct 25, 2018 06:25
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:assault rifles This is the kind of thing that leads to arguments for no reason. For the most part these are not available in the states where gun laws have a chance to begin with. Like I dont think Texas or Nevada are going to ban anything soon. If you want a fully automatic rifle have fun moving to Texas and paying a shitload of money for one made before the cutoff date or whatever. A cop made a video trying to get people to be less loving dumb about "scary looking is bad" years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yATeti5GmI8 5m55s has a good example of the cosmetic effects.
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Senor P. posted:So.... Why didn't you have your gun safely secured by equipping it with a simple trigger lock? I was on the peninsula yesterday and I saw a TON of signs about this calling it "the billionaire's scheme" (lol) and saying something about a lifetime medical privacy waiver. Can some mah guns goons expand on this waiver? Is this related to the state being able to confiscate your weapons if they believe you're having a mental health crisis? I thought that was a separate law that was approved by the legislature?
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Teabag Dome Scandal posted:Why didn't you have your gun safely secured by equipping it with a simple trigger lock?
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