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CelticPredator posted:I don’t want you to be banned, I just want a less hostile thread/section/ about stupid comic book movies. Well, there's always the BSS thread if you're looking for alternatives
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CPL593H posted:Just a reminder that the name "DNS" was a reference to Quentin Tarantino's famously cringey line in Pulp Fiction. And when we still had that IRC channel I popped in once and he immediately called me a human being and an autistic pussy. He was easily in the top three worst posters to come out of here. Even before learning about this I remember that guy as being the loving worst and one of like 4 people I put on ignore over the last ten years, glad to see that confirmed.
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Oct 25, 2018 17:05
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:I walked out on the heels of an argument about minority representation where ruddiger did an "actually I understand queer representation better than you, a GENDER UNDEFINED SEXUALITY UNDEFINED poster, because I work with a trans" That's not what I said, and you're doing the classic goons taking the most bad faith "that's how I remember it" bullshit possible. I wanted recommendations on other trans actors because I'm not that well versed in that area of film (there's no shame in admitting ignorance of a subject or field if you're not familiar with it), you couldn't even name the one that you claimed to be a fan of. Other goons soon came in and offered legit examples of LGBTQ films and trans actors working in the field. You got angry and didn't contribute much other than your stock vile rhetoric. It's funny that you try to get goons to be introspective yet don't take the time to do it for yourself. Some of you take these personal goon grudges too far. I just saw some idiot making up stories about me in QCS (why I wandered in there was against my better judgement). If you're talking about goons behind their back in other forums/websites, maybe it's time to take a step back and do a little introspecting yourself. ruddiger fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Oct 25, 2018 |
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Oct 25, 2018 17:06
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CelticPredator posted:Also you guys have a discord don’t you ? Theres a horror one and a cined genchat one
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Oct 25, 2018 17:08
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CelticPredator posted:I don’t want you to be banned, I just want a less hostile thread/section/ about stupid comic book movies. That's definitely fair but one of the reasons I get defensive about "CD are all weird contrarians" or "Snyder fans are a hive mind" style posts are how quickly it can spiral from just honest complaints about behavior that can be adjusted to "shut down this thread and ban everyone inside". Like from my perspective I found it kind of hostile coming upon this accusation in a thread I rarely frequent when a lot of this could have been addressed in the thread it happened in or in PMs. If I hadn't happened to click this thread yesterday (since I usually only do once every few weeks) I would have basically been clueless that you had posted that and not really had an opportunity to defend myself. This is a two way street, we are both CD posters and your actions can also have a negative impact on the atmosphere of this forum. CelticPredator posted:Also you guys have a discord don’t you I assume this is a reference to people coming in here all at the same time? I don't know of any discord, I know it's a huge coincide but I honestly did just click on this thread yesterday by sheer dumb luck. Like I said, probably my Snyder-sense tingling haha *edited for grammar Guy A. Person fucked around with this message at 17:14 on Oct 25, 2018 |
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Oct 25, 2018 17:10
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CelticPredator posted:I actually do like Zack Snyder! That’s the weird part. I just hate his DC movies, and have been waiting for him to get off that train for a while. Hey, I'm right there with you on that.
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Oct 25, 2018 17:18
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Escobarbarian posted:And it caused a lot of fights because the posters who left were never specific, it was just this kind of “well, if you don’t know, I guess there’s no hope for you” thing that wasn’t helpful to anyone I somehow missed this entirely but the notion that CD is hostile to queers is so weird to me considering like 90% of us Are queer
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Oct 25, 2018 17:21
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precision posted:Hey, I'm right there with you on that. It's funny because I am literally the inverse of that. I don't hate his non-DC movies but those are the only ones I am a huge fan of, have no real interest in revisiting his earlier stuff.
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Oct 25, 2018 17:24
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precision posted:I somehow missed this entirely but the notion that CD is hostile to queers is so weird to me considering like 90% of us Are queer They were saying, specifically, that CineD is hostile to trans people and women.
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Oct 25, 2018 17:26
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X-Ray Pecs posted:They were saying, specifically, that CineD is hostile to trans people and women. Ah, fair enough. The post I saw said "LGBTQ". Still, I always thought CD loved trans people. And goons largely seem protective of women in a way that I find kind of creepy but not hostile. Why is it so hard for people to just be cool and respectful of everyone 
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Oct 25, 2018 17:29
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I thought it was also because of all the weird toxic aggression, because I mean yeah.
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ruddiger posted:That's not what I said, and you're doing the classic goons taking the most bad faith "that's how I remember it" bullshit possible. I wanted recommendations on other trans actors because I'm not that well versed in that area of film (there's no shame in admitting ignorance of a subject or field if you're not familiar with it), you couldn't even name the one that you claimed to be a fan of. Other goons soon came in and offered legit examples of LGBTQ films and trans actors working in the field. You got angry and didn't contribute much other than your stock vile rhetoric. It wasn't just me, and it isn't a hindsight thing. I told you that when it happened, other people have said the same thing, blow it out your rear end Edit specifically I asked other people to make sure I wasn't just being an rear end in a top hat, because I know I can do that sometimes Literally everyone went yeah going "I work on a show with a trans person and watch queer cinema check out this queer black movie I watched" is a my * friend in this context I called you out on a dumb thing, and your response was to try to deflect ant implication of prejudice through your association with marginalized people. BENGHAZI 2 fucked around with this message at 17:47 on Oct 25, 2018 |
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Oct 25, 2018 17:36
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X-Ray Pecs posted:They were saying, specifically, that CineD is hostile to trans people and women. Less overtly hostile more just Kinda dumb and toxic I dont think there's any women posting here anymore and only one non-cis person besides me
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Oct 25, 2018 17:38
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precision posted:Ah, fair enough. The post I saw said "LGBTQ". I’m basing my statement off of the fact that women and trans people have told us that they don’t feel comfortable posting here, and because, as Dickeye just stated, the number of female and trans members has dwindled significantly. I think most CineDers do mean well, but we’re still in an environment where masculinity reigns and sometimes we lose sight of that, as some thread will spontaneously go into its ten billionth derail about how hot a certain actress is or something. How the problem was caused, I don’t know - maybe it’s vestigial from being on a forum that used to mock women for being infertile or afraid of being raped, or maybe it’s something new inherent to this community. I’m a white cishet man myself, so I’ll never fully understand, but based on what I do know, I feel pretty confident knowing that the best solution we have is to believe female and LGBTQ members when they say they don’t feel welcome here, and actually like, ask them what’s up? There are some things I’ve had to confront about my own behavior as a result too. It’s hard for people to just be cool and respectful of everyone because most of us were raised in environments that didn’t have that in mind. There’s some reprogramming to be done.
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Oct 25, 2018 17:50
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As someone who loves the comic book and star wars threads, they are a necessary evil - we have to post about them somewhere, keep the internet stranger danger grudges localized.
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Oct 25, 2018 17:51
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I swear I used to like Star Wars but internet discourse about it has totally soured me on the property.
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Oct 25, 2018 17:53
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Blood Boils posted:As someone who loves the comic book and star wars threads, they are a necessary evil - we have to post about them somewhere, keep the internet stranger danger grudges localized. Again, there's a bss thread for comic book movies Live in that cesspit
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Oct 25, 2018 17:53
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:I dont think there's any women posting here anymore and only one non-cis person besides me I can think of 2 women and 3 non-cis people off the top of my head. Edit: if you include me and yourself, 5 non-cis people
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I think it’s hard for even just a regular person to not be a little sick of the SW franchise with all the controversy and whining over TLJ but yeah it was especially bad for me as someone who thought it was an amazing movie that made my heart soar and then trying to read about it was a loving nightmare cos it was all about how loving bitches ruin everything and Luke is a cuck now and the series is doomed to failure and JEEEEEEEEEESUS
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precision posted:I can think of 2 women and 3 non-cis people off the top of my head. In this thread, actively posting? drat
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And I'm genderfluid, unless you only meant "born biologically female" but I know you're woke enough to not have meant that
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Oct 25, 2018 17:56
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Also I personally think the prequels are bad, and some people think they were good, and that's ok, but it's really exhausting how some people feel the need to re-litigate the issue every few months. Those movies came out ages ago, no one's gonna change their mind now.
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Lurdiak posted:I swear I used to like Star Wars but internet discourse about it has totally soured me on the property. Same, except instead of internet discourse it was Ep 7 that killed it for me. Ep 8 was just the official burial ceremony.
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precision posted:And I'm genderfluid, unless you only meant "born biologically female" but I know you're woke enough to not have meant that Good pass agg snipe ten out of ten
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Escobarbarian posted:I think it’s hard for even just a regular person to not be a little sick of the SW franchise with all the controversy and whining over TLJ but yeah it was especially bad for me as someone who thought it was an amazing movie that made my heart soar and then trying to read about it was a loving nightmare cos it was all about how loving bitches ruin everything and Luke is a cuck now and the series is doomed to failure and JEEEEEEEEEESUS I'm not sick of Star Wars and I think it's in large part because the only online discussion or criticism of it I pay even a little attention to is Jenny Nicholson videos
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Good pass agg snipe ten out of ten I legitimately was not trying to be passive aggressive to you, my dude. Not everyone hates you 
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precision posted:I legitimately was not trying to be passive aggressive to you, my dude. Mea culpa
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:I dont think there's any women posting here anymore and only one non-cis person besides me  non-bi girly-man with trans-women partner checking in.Not that I post worth a drat, though.
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Oct 25, 2018 18:03
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precision posted:I'm not sick of Star Wars and I think it's in large part because the only online discussion or criticism of it I pay even a little attention to is Jenny Nicholson videos This is smart
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Lurdiak posted:Also I personally think the prequels are bad, and some people think they were good, and that's ok, but it's really exhausting how some people feel the need to re-litigate the issue every few months. Those movies came out ages ago, no one's gonna change their mind now. Logically I know that there's no accounting for taste and every opinion is valid but "the prequels are good" is something I just can't wrap my head around. It's as baffling to me as people who think Slipknot is good.
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precision posted:It's as baffling to me as people who think Slipknot is good. Kurosawa is the mushroomhead of film
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precision posted:Logically I know that there's no accounting for taste and every opinion is valid but "the prequels are good" is something I just can't wrap my head around. It's as baffling to me as people who think Slipknot is good. I mean, same, but I got sick of that conversation like... 8 years ago? More?
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Escobarbarian posted:And it caused a lot of fights because the posters who left were never specific, it was just this kind of “well, if you don’t know, I guess there’s no hope for you” thing that wasn’t helpful to anyone I said it then though that if she had named names or cited specific examples then people would react like "well, that's not me I'm not like them" and maybe the point is that we should all think before we post and consider how we're coming off and how we're responding to people. Like, it's even easier online than it is in real life because you have to type out what you're saying and could actually, y'know, read what you wrote before you hit Submit Reply. If Jenny gave a list of names that offended her, or specific posts that stand out, it would have been a perfect way for everyone to divorce from their own role in creating a toxic culture.
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In an ideal world I would think about Star Wars for about a week before and after the release of a new movie, and never at any other time.
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precision posted:Logically I know that there's no accounting for taste and every opinion is valid but "the prequels are good" is something I just can't wrap my head around. It's as baffling to me as people who think Slipknot is good. The bold is incorrect. As a filthy prequel-liker, this is why I think the star wars thread is necessary (there doesn't need to be 2, that is ridiculous). I need a place to defend the honor of my "bad" taste! I mean, better in there than in here, right? BENGHAZI 2 posted:Again, there's a bss thread for comic book movies No way bss sucks
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TrixRabbi posted:I said it then though that if she had named names or cited specific examples then people would react like "well, that's not me I'm not like them" and maybe the point is that we should all think before we post and consider how we're coming off and how we're responding to people. Like, it's even easier online than it is in real life because you have to type out what you're saying and could actually, y'know, read what you wrote before you hit Submit Reply. If Jenny gave a list of names that offended her, or specific posts that stand out, it would have been a perfect way for everyone to divorce from their own role in creating a toxic culture. Ding ding ding
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Blood Boils posted:The bold is incorrect. As a filthy prequel-liker, this is why I think the star wars thread is necessary (there doesn't need to be 2, that is ridiculous). I need a place to defend the honor of my "bad" taste! I mean, better in there than in here, right? So does the comic movie thread
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precision posted:Logically I know that there's no accounting for taste and every opinion is valid but "the prequels are good" is something I just can't wrap my head around. It's as baffling to me as people who think Slipknot is good. I remember liking one of their songs on one of the Resident Evil soundtracks, but I wouldn't go so far as to say Slipknot is good.
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