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Cant use that law, doesn't fix everything! Is there any other problem we apply this logic to? Guns are a religion in this country with devoted, sometimes murderous, fanatics
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twodot posted:What if the gun was safely secured with a simple trigger lock, and then someone removed the trigger lock? The idea that people ostensibly in favor of safe storage of guns also think that trigger locks are a remotely acceptable way to store a gun is really weird. So, you're saying this law doesn't go far enough in ensuring guns are stored safely at home???
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twodot posted:What if the gun was safely secured with a simple trigger lock, and then someone removed the trigger lock? The idea that people ostensibly in favor of safe storage of guns also think that trigger locks are a remotely acceptable way to store a gun is really weird. Yeah.
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Oct 25, 2018 18:24
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Why bother with some complicated and messy 'final solution' when you can just slash mental health care and have agents of the state murder undesirables? And no I don't think that more guns in the hands of the mentally ill is the way to deter this. Get the guns out of everyone's hands, especially the cops.
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quote:On Wednesday, May said an internal investigation found no wrongdoing by Cardenas and Davis quote:At one point, Graves pulled money from his pocket, said he was there to buy something to eat and tried to push past Cardenas out of the bathroom. Yes, he definitely deserved to be shot. The police did not escalate the situation whatsoever.
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Teabag Dome Scandal posted:So, you're saying this law doesn't go far enough in ensuring guns are stored safely at home???
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Oct 25, 2018 19:59
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twodot posted:Mostly I'm still at "Let's not criminalize totally law abiding people because the security system the state pushed them to use is trivial to bypass". If that's the best the initiative writers could come up with, they should have just stayed home. More than likely the gun lobby got involved and tried to block the bill, when they couldnt they argued down its requirements etc.. then they argue it doesn't go far enough. The hypocrisy and lying is how they operate.
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twodot posted:Mostly I'm still at "Let's not criminalize totally law abiding people because the security system the state pushed them to use is trivial to bypass". If that's the best the initiative writers could come up with, they should have just stayed home.
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Oct 25, 2018 20:03
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Even better, don’t have a muderstick. It’s an easy (and safe!) thing not to have.
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Oct 25, 2018 20:08
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pseudanonymous posted:More than likely the gun lobby got involved and tried to block the bill, when they couldnt they argued down its requirements etc.. then they argue it doesn't go far enough. The hypocrisy and lying is how they operate.
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Thanatosian posted:If you are not comfortable getting prosecuted for letting people steal your murderstick, maybe you should secure your murderstick better. What the gently caress is wrong with you? I was burglarized and the shithead stole a machete among other things.. In your opinion I should possibly be a felon for being robbed of my "murdersteel". If youre scared of guns just say "I am scared! Please ban all the things that scare me!" Your smug screeching about everything is loving dumb. Its also comical that downtown-living person wants cars and guns banned, because "who would ever want either of those things?" You should be force-relocated to the woods for a few months.
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Oct 25, 2018 20:18
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FRINGE posted:What the gently caress is wrong with you? ahh I love the smell of false equivalencies in the morning! edit: lol totally forgot that people trot this poo poo out anytime a couple people get killed by someone with a knife in Japan or the UK. You guys are just shameless. Why not just ban all knives checkmate libs 
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Oct 25, 2018 20:30
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FRINGE posted:What the gently caress is wrong with you? Conflating tools which have uses other than murder with instruments specifically designed to kill people should be an autoban, imo. It's really loving annoying to have that fallacious comparison be brought up by idiots every time gun control is brought up.
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I mean, if your best argument is that people shouldn't be criminalized for losing guns i'm not entirely sure that's an argument in favor of unfettered access.
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DrNutt posted:Conflating tools which have uses other than murder with instruments specifically designed to kill people should be an autoban, imo. It's really loving annoying to have that fallacious comparison be brought up by idiots every time gun control is brought up. Look man, if you're not willing to have a blanket law that puts "living in the woods" as the ultimate standard then I don't know what to tell you. Teabag Dome Scandal posted:ahh I love the smell of false equivalencies in the morning! This guy I know tried to argue that the gun buy back in Australia was a failure because knife violence increased after guns were unavailable. It's like these people don't understand what the problem with guns is. PS. Death is the problem.
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ElCondemn posted:Look man, if you're not willing to have a blanket law that puts "living in the woods" as the ultimate standard then I don't know what to tell you. Why not just ban cancer if we're out here trying to save lives?!
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I know I helped to start this derail but maybe we should contain the gun control thing in another thread e: maybe this one im on the net me boys fucked around with this message at 21:11 on Oct 25, 2018 |
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The media's job is to amplify the voices of those in power https://twitter.com/GregoryMcKelvey/status/1055276638001336321 There's a story in that thread, btw.
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DrNutt posted:Conflating tools which have uses other than murder with instruments specifically designed to kill people should be an autoban, imo. It's really loving annoying to have that fallacious comparison be brought up by idiots every time gun control is brought up. I dont own any guns. I think the histrionics around them are insane. If you want to ban things "meant to kill people" then all of you crazy people need to focus on banning pistols, but because they arent "scary looking" no one does that.
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im on the net me boys posted:I know I helped to start this derail but maybe we should contain the gun control thing in another thread It isn't a derail, this concerns an actual initiative being voted on in 2 weeks in the PNW state known as Washington and topics specific to the actual initiative being voted on are being discussed in the politics subforum. I don't want to argue with people that have no vested interest in what happens in my state. Feel free to continue the discussion there with people that this won't affect if you want though? FRINGE posted:I dont own any guns. By histrionics do you mean equating a large knife with a gun?
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Teabag Dome Scandal posted:By histrionics do you mean equating a large knife with a gun? By histrionics they mean attempting to ensure scores of children don't have to die needlessly at their school.
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anthonypants posted:The media's job is to amplify the voices of those in power https://twitter.com/GregoryMcKelvey/status/1055276638001336321 Is KOIN part of the Sinclair Media group? I can't remember. loving William Hearst was way too far ahead of his time. Edit: KATU is the local Sinclair media, KOIN was owned by Meredith Media General, based in Iowa. It's a mess of sales and mergers but it looks like now its owned by Nexstar. Oscar Wild fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Oct 25, 2018 |
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Oct 25, 2018 22:02
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Teabag Dome Scandal posted:Why not just ban cancer if we're out here trying to save lives?! I didn't realize guns just happen. FRINGE posted:I dont own any guns. I would love to get rid of hand guns, unfortunately there isn't an initiative to do that on the ballot despite what I want.
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FRINGE posted:I dont own any guns. I have owned and fired guns including rifles and I lived ~in the woods~ as you say, adjacent to actual bears and everything. Personally I like guns; I think they can be fun to fire recreationally on ranges and they're tools with uses that absolutely do not need to involve the death of other human beings. So all that said, the people engaging in histrionics right now are not the ones in favor of strong gun control and I would sacrifice all of that poo poo if it meant not a single more kid got shot trying to go to school. Also lock your fuckin' doors if you're that afraid of bears.
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also laws and restrictions on things should occur before the point of sale rather than at the moment you decide to purchase something
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Doorknob Slobber posted:also laws and restrictions on things should occur before the point of sale rather than at the moment you decide to purchase something Except we do this all the time with booze and smokes. Salespersons are accountable for following laws.
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Unoriginal Name posted:Cant use that law, doesn't fix everything! Is there any other problem we apply this logic to? Guns are a religion in this country with devoted, sometimes murderous, fanatics 
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Teabag Dome Scandal posted:It isn't a derail, this concerns an actual initiative being voted on in 2 weeks in the PNW state known as Washington and topics specific to the actual initiative being voted on are being discussed in the politics subforum. I don't want to argue with people that have no vested interest in what happens in my state. I actually agree with this which is why I have allowed the discussion to continue. I think it would be nice if you guys weren’t as hostile about it but I understand it’s a thing people feel strongly about. Feel free to continue discussing it at least until the election has passed.
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Frightening Knight posted:I understand it’s a thing people feel strongly about. I imagine it's the largest cause of single issue voters in this country. People like their hobby enough to railroad the rest of the country and be completely disingenuous about their intent and concerns.
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I would be thrilled if it was a debate about the finer points of how guns affect the pacific northwest, but nope it's just another lovely gun debate going over the same old turf until we are all rolling around in the mud.
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porkface posted:I would be thrilled if it was a debate about the finer points of how guns affect the pacific northwest, but nope it's just another lovely gun debate going over the same old turf until we are all rolling around in the mud.  I've decided to just sit this one out for the remainder
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Reene posted:I have owned and fired guns including rifles and I lived ~in the woods~ as you say, adjacent to actual bears and everything. Personally I like guns; I think they can be fun to fire recreationally on ranges and they're tools with uses that absolutely do not need to involve the death of other human beings. The complete lack of regulation we have around gun ownership is loving insane. As for handguns, DC tried to ban them, and the Supreme Court said that wasn't allowed, so this is what there is. If you don't like that, vote Democrat, so we can get people who aren't old white dudes who think that slave owners who died 200 years ago are the sole loving authority on what the government should and shouldn't be allowed to do on the Supreme Court.
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FRINGE posted:I dont own any guns. I'd love to ban pistols but nobody wants to alter or eliminate the second amendment. NY tried to ban pistols and lost. I suspect if the NRA really wanted to they could take this bill to the supreme court and have it fail there too.
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Freakazoid_ posted:I'd love to ban pistols but nobody wants to alter or eliminate the second amendment. NY tried to ban pistols and lost. I suspect if the NRA really wanted to they could take this bill to the supreme court and have it fail there too. Oh, they're going to. They are inhuman monsters who exist solely to make sure the gun industry can continue extracting money from the blood of children.
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Cool. Loopholes exist. It's a step in the right direction that responsible people can accept. Gun weirdos can point to the gold fringe and call base to be compliant(or just be responsible.)
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Oct 26, 2018 00:34
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The NRA is a trash fire but they actual go to the mat for the interests of their members which is, sadly, high praise these days.
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Javid posted:The NRA is a trash fire but they actual go to the mat for the interests of their members which is, sadly, high praise these days. They could not possibly care less about the interests of their members. They go to the mat for the interests of their funders, which is par for the course these days.
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Yeah, their members happen to line up with The Money's interests. The representation's more coincidence than duty.
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