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Nephthys
Mar 27, 2010

orangelex44 posted:

Twitchcon tournament going live now: https://www.twitch.tv/totalwarofficial

Casted by Turin, nearly everyone involved was part of the Everchosen Invitational from last weekend.

Just caught the TK vs VCounts game, pretty nailbiting considering the crappy start. Sotek did well considering his position.

Edit: Oh poo poo, Turin stepped in for a game and just got blown the gently caress up by bloated corpses!

Nephthys fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Oct 27, 2018

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toasterwarrior
Nov 11, 2011
I've fallen off SFO a long time ago but Ventris seems to be doing some extensive reworking on it. The new update that just came out brought on some mechanics reworks and additions to the Greenskins and Dwarfs, and a cool thing is that the new Greentide mechanic (basically some momentum-based system that causes dilemmas and buffs/penalties for your performance) has a standalone version. Works with C&C too!

The Runes system in the Dwarf half of the update is pretty drat cool as well: basically you spend a huge chunk of money to buy an exclusive upgrade for each Dwarf unit using the technology screen, selecting from 4 available options. For example, judging from the screenshots, Longbeards can get a 25% weapon damage boost and a +10 bonus against large units in exchange for -5 melee attack. A more risky trade is artillery gaining +40% missile damage in exchange for losing half their range, which is pretty wild.

EDIT: Hah, they got a Thunderers variant that packs Grudgerakers instead of handguns. Those are basically shotguns, so they're goddamn terrifying at close range and apparently can gently caress poo poo up in melee too.

toasterwarrior fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Oct 27, 2018

BIG MEATY SHITS
Mar 13, 2017

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Soiled Meat
is sfo still run by neo nazis?

Don Gato
Apr 28, 2013

Actually a bipedal cat.
Grimey Drawer

BIG MEATY SHITS posted:

is sfo still run by neo nazis?

Neo Nazi left a while ago iirc

orangelex44
Oct 11, 2012

Definition of orange:

Any of a group of colors that are between red and yellow in hue. Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Old Occitan, from Arabic, from Persian, from Sanskrit.

Definition of lex:

Law. Latin.
This Twitch tourney has been pretty great, there's not anything really on the line so the players have been pulling out a bunch of exciting toys. Grimgor got rocked by Royal Hippogriff Knights, Turin had to jump in to replace a player and lost because of Exploding Corpses, Sartosia now has pistol pirates and their previous axemen now duel-wield swords because CA Cares About Us, Queen Bess got >150 kills against Empire (but lost)...

Anno
May 10, 2017

I'm going to drown! For no reason at all!

I also like that Turin got a pretty clear win with dwarfs against pirates while still commentating at like 85% efficiency and getting in a few cinematic shots for good measure. Shame his hand is messed up, I’d like to see him play normally in the tournament.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

Don Gato posted:

Neo Nazi left a while ago iirc

Yeah it was just the one nazi.

If I was the dude now running it I’d change the name as a “do not want my mod named after a neo nazi” message and tell him to gently caress off or get back into modding.*

*let it be known that steel and faith are not things nazis are known for, it’s an Empire thing and an alt righter who spams nazi messages alongside things like crusader imagery would definitely not let his political leanings influence the choice of THAT particular username over any other warhammer empire name

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!
Do vampirates seem pretty weak in multiplayer right now? Is it just that people aren't used to using them?

orangelex44
Oct 11, 2012

Definition of orange:

Any of a group of colors that are between red and yellow in hue. Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Old Occitan, from Arabic, from Persian, from Sanskrit.

Definition of lex:

Law. Latin.

Fangz posted:

Do vampirates seem pretty weak in multiplayer right now? Is it just that people aren't used to using them?

They have a very obvious counter that nearly every other faction can do, which is "go wide". No one on the VSea end seems to have quite figured out how to overcome that yet. I *think* that's mostly a familiarity thing, or perhaps just that there's no real meta yet and the VSea side keeps just hoping they won't have to hard commit to dealing with millions of chaff.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

Yeah it was just the one nazi.

If I was the dude now running it I’d change the name as a “do not want my mod named after a neo nazi” message and tell him to gently caress off or get back into modding.*

*let it be known that steel and faith are not things nazis are known for, it’s an Empire thing and an alt righter who spams nazi messages alongside things like crusader imagery would definitely not let his political leanings influence the choice of THAT particular username over any other warhammer empire name

It's funny because the quote is basically the Empire version of "waaaagh" or "ere we go" so it's not exactly something that isn't 100% an appropriate name for a huge overhaul that has as much emphasis on the Empire as SFO does.

But the loving nazi had to gently caress everything up by existing.

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011
Probation
Can't post for 5 days!
SFO was a pretty good overhaul but I feel like C&C has even better magic and lord skills.

KazigluBey
Oct 30, 2011

boner

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

Yeah it was just the one nazi.

If I was the dude now running it I’d change the name as a “do not want my mod named after a neo nazi” message and tell him to gently caress off or get back into modding.*

*let it be known that steel and faith are not things nazis are known for, it’s an Empire thing and an alt righter who spams nazi messages alongside things like crusader imagery would definitely not let his political leanings influence the choice of THAT particular username over any other warhammer empire name

I really don't understand your point, or why this discussion keeps running the same circle every time it comes up. Nazi left. "Steal Faith" [Overhaul] is a Warhammer thing, not an actual Nazi thing. Why would they feel a need to change a name that is a Warhammer thing, now that the actual Nazi no longer works at the project?

Nephthys
Mar 27, 2010

Queen Bess just got 743 kills in a FFA.

Kazzah
Jul 15, 2011

Formerly known as
Krazyface
Hair Elf
Can anyone please link me to a tournament match with Bess in it? This is very important.

Dandywalken
Feb 11, 2014

BIG MEATY SHITS posted:

is sfo still run by neo nazis?

No but be sure to avoid their General channel in Discord lol. Lots of Alt Right creeps.

Anno
May 10, 2017

I'm going to drown! For no reason at all!

Turin casually winning a BO3 against a pretty good tournament player while casting lol

Name Change
Oct 9, 2005


Edgar Allen Ho posted:

Yeah it was just the one nazi.

If I was the dude now running it I’d change the name as a “do not want my mod named after a neo nazi” message and tell him to gently caress off or get back into modding.*

*let it be known that steel and faith are not things nazis are known for, it’s an Empire thing and an alt righter who spams nazi messages alongside things like crusader imagery would definitely not let his political leanings influence the choice of THAT particular username over any other warhammer empire name

Can't wait for the new vampire overhaul, Blood & Soil

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Mar 13, 2017

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Soiled Meat

Sodomy Hussein posted:

Can't wait for the new vampire overhaul, Blood & Soil

:eyepop:

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

KazigluBey posted:

I really don't understand your point, or why this discussion keeps running the same circle every time it comes up. Nazi left. "Steal Faith" [Overhaul] is a Warhammer thing, not an actual Nazi thing. Why would they feel a need to change a name that is a Warhammer thing, now that the actual Nazi no longer works at the project?

"Steel, Faith, and Gunpowder" is a Warhammer thing.

"steel and faith" or "steel faith" is an open alt-righter neonazi who loves Hitler videos as well as images of steel-clad knights invading muslim countries for righteous christian vengeance, IDK that it's that hard to get.

People can and will insist that someone who adheres unflinchingly to the national socialist ideology of Adolf Hitler would not use "steel faith" as a slogan but it's almost as if modern neonazis do not perfectly adhere to Hitler's ideology and use things, including both historical and Warhammer imagery, to invoke their beliefs, and incorporate other ideas into their poo poo. Looking at the dude as a whole it's very clear that the specific choice of username has meaning and there's a reason his name is "steel faith" and not "grudges beards" or "for bretonnia" or "ELOI LECHI"

But really just change the name because the dude is an rear end in a top hat and I don't really want to play a mod named after him. I wouldn't like the Star Trek mod for Stellaris if it was called "Aatrek Overhaul"

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!
It's actually "Faith, Steel and Gunpowder".

Raygereio
Nov 12, 2012
Can we as a thread come together and accept that nazis are bad and that this bellyflop is amazing?.

RBA-Wintrow
Nov 4, 2009


Clapping Larry

Krazyface posted:

Can anyone please link me to a tournament match with Bess in it? This is very important.

152 kills
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/328194551

Start: 01:03:00
End: 01:15:15

special close up of Free Company Militia turning into Free Company Salsa:
01:07:40

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

Raygereio posted:

Can we as a thread come together and accept that nazis are bad and that this bellyflop is amazing?.

yes

KazigluBey
Oct 30, 2011

boner

e.: You know what, not worth it. Play or don't play wherever you want. Goes without saying: Nazis bad, just in case it needed saying.

KazigluBey fucked around with this message at 01:22 on Oct 28, 2018

Mordja
Apr 26, 2014

Hell Gem

Raygereio posted:

Can we as a thread come together and accept that nazis are bad and that this bellyflop is amazing?.

Auxiliary army of nothing but Bloated Corpses. :getin:

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011
Probation
Can't post for 5 days!

Raygereio posted:

Can we as a thread come together and accept that nazis are bad and that this bellyflop is amazing?.

My favorite part is there is a bit of a delay between the dude face planting and then exploding.

Kazzah
Jul 15, 2011

Formerly known as
Krazyface
Hair Elf

RBA-Wintrow posted:

152 kills
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/328194551

Start: 01:03:00
End: 01:15:15

special close up of Free Company Militia turning into Free Company Salsa:
01:07:40

Yeah

DOCTOR ZIMBARDO
May 8, 2006
From that video surely bloats are your tool for handling wide enemies?

orangelex44
Oct 11, 2012

Definition of orange:

Any of a group of colors that are between red and yellow in hue. Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Old Occitan, from Arabic, from Persian, from Sanskrit.

Definition of lex:

Law. Latin.

DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:

From that video surely bloats are your tool for handling wide enemies?

Only if they a) don't pay attention and bunch up and b) have zero ranged units.

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

I've lost twice, I've failed twice and I've gotten two dishonorable mentions within 7 weeks. But I keep coming back. I am The Trooper!

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021


DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:

From that video surely bloats are your tool for handling wide enemies?

They might have a niche against Chosen, Ironbreakers and Swordmasters, but people in MP tend to prefer deploying their units as wide as possible, so the explosion probably won't hit that many dudes, on the other hand, keeping a Bloated Corpse in reserve for the final lap of a battle where armies tend to bunch up might be a killer move, and the possibility of their deployment should dissuade most death star builds vs VP. They should be pretty good in SP, as the AI often bunches up a lot.

Turin did win against a super-wide Chaos army by going monster and air heavy with only a hero and a few Deckhands for a line, but it was a close one and Chaos lacked Halberds or Shaggoths.

f_c_
Oct 27, 2007

Do you guys refuse to drive or ride in volkswagens, Mercedes, and BMWs too or use any technology that relies on rockets?

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

f_c_ posted:

Do you guys refuse to drive or ride in volkswagens, Mercedes, and BMWs too or use any technology that relies on rockets?

steaming take here, now tell a vegan that insects and rodents die during a grain harvest.

Arghy
Nov 15, 2012

toasterwarrior posted:

I've fallen off SFO a long time ago but Ventris seems to be doing some extensive reworking on it. The new update that just came out brought on some mechanics reworks and additions to the Greenskins and Dwarfs, and a cool thing is that the new Greentide mechanic (basically some momentum-based system that causes dilemmas and buffs/penalties for your performance) has a standalone version. Works with C&C too!

The Runes system in the Dwarf half of the update is pretty drat cool as well: basically you spend a huge chunk of money to buy an exclusive upgrade for each Dwarf unit using the technology screen, selecting from 4 available options. For example, judging from the screenshots, Longbeards can get a 25% weapon damage boost and a +10 bonus against large units in exchange for -5 melee attack. A more risky trade is artillery gaining +40% missile damage in exchange for losing half their range, which is pretty wild.

EDIT: Hah, they got a Thunderers variant that packs Grudgerakers instead of handguns. Those are basically shotguns, so they're goddamn terrifying at close range and apparently can gently caress poo poo up in melee too.

I really wanted an ironbreaker variant that carried drakepistols and a ranger unit that carried grudgerakers. The rangers would be an amazing hybrid infantry that would sneak up to the enemy with stalk then fire point blank volleys before mopping up in melee.

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!!
May 31, 2006

f_c_ posted:

Do you guys refuse to drive or ride in volkswagens, Mercedes, and BMWs too or use any technology that relies on rockets?

people have their predilections. at this precise moment i find it extremely hard to fault someone for saying they'd prefer to do as little as possible to support people like that guy.

anyway the Red Duke particularly owns because of how the rest of Brettonia handles Mousillon, which is mostly pretending really, really hard that they don't all know the Red Duke's a vampire. because accusing him of being a vampire is an insult punishable by duelling. and the Red Duke is really, REALLY good at duelling. on the bright side the people he duels tend to end up his best friends afterwards! also they tend to become a lot paler for some reason.

Aurubin
Mar 17, 2011

What do you think the conceit for game 3 will be, besides DEMONS!!! The Vortex story was actually pretty ok by Total War standards, especially how they wove the Skaven in. I'm curious if they do something akin to the Eye of the Vortex with an expanded Dark Lands/Mountains of Mourn map, but that leaves me scratching my head as to how you write a story revolving around Daemons of Chaos, Chaos Dwarfs, and Ogres exclusively if you want your non-Mortal Empires map to feature the new races in the most prominent fashion.

The secret is that they'll use tweaked Three Kingdoms assets and you play as Cathay holding off 3 simultaneous invasions a la the Western Roman Empire in Barbarian Invasion/Attila.

A nerd can dream.

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

It'll be that except Kislev.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
If Cathay is a base faction it'll most definitely be the totally not obvious secret faction like skaven were, not the central campaign focus.

Also there is waaaaaaaaaaay more to do with Chaos mortals than GW rosters did, and the CA Chaos Warriors roster is all but confirmed to be a placeholder. Then daemons. Plus it'd be an absolutely obvious time to go back and add Boris and a lot more Empire poo poo, alongside Kislev, annnnnnd you can draw a perfect rectangular map from Norsca to the cathayan Xinjiang including vast chorf and ogres territories as well as empire provinces from Middenheim, and Kislev. Assuming a rectangle where the top isn't perfectly facing north.

Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 07:43 on Oct 28, 2018

juggalo baby coffin
Dec 2, 2007

How would the dog wear goggles and even more than that, who makes the goggles?


im wondering if they will do all 4 chaos gods at release, cause thats a looot of factions if you want some non-chaos poo poo on top of that

edit: although it would be extra weird to release certain chaos gods as dlc factions

juggalo baby coffin fucked around with this message at 07:58 on Oct 28, 2018

Triple-Kan
Dec 29, 2008
I assume that Chaos Demons will be in the last game, as they got a proper Army Book, but they'll probably be a DLC hoard faction as including them in the main game would leave the rest of the world pretty scarcely populated.

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Arghy
Nov 15, 2012

Holy poo poo manfred on a dragon in C&C with huge unit size has 36,000 hp's--he shrugged off 2 units of giant slayers with 1 unit of slayers beating on him. Going to try 2 thunderers with grommy and see if it works out better--i know ungrim barely beat him with help 25 turns ago i can only imagine the beast he is now. Also wtf is up with bloodknights 18 of them somehow survived 3 miners, 2 warriors, and ulthars raiders throwing axes at them for nearly 3 minutes.

Magical attacks are so loving mandatory late game C&C--tons of endgame units have an absurd amount of physical resist. I thought my ironbreakers would be tanky enough without the defensive skill but holy crap they get wrecked against chosen even with the offensive skill haha.

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