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I keep forgetting that the GBS star trek thread isn't here, and I've serious-posted loads there, so hello I suppose
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HD DAD posted:And now she’s a cloud of organic matter/carbon atoms. The ultimate promotion They know what they’re getting into when they sign up to starfleet.
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simplefish posted:I keep forgetting that the GBS star trek thread isn't here, and I've serious-posted loads there, so hello I suppose Hi, friend
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Oct 28, 2018 17:16
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The_Doctor posted:Frats were banned before WW3, but stupid people still feel the need to club together to play stupid, dangerous games. This is largely to do with writer credits and royalties, I believe (happy to be corrected by people with better knowledge of writers' contracts in LA at the time than me) If we have Ro Laren, Fighty Bajoran Aligned with the Federation, my understanding is that every time we use her, the character's creator gets a cut. Hence Kira, Fighty Bajoran Aligned with the Federation. See also: Tom Paris, Young Super Flyboy Who Seeks Redemption rather than reusing Wes' Squadron Leader, Young Super Flyboy Atoning For Past Mistakes E: basically people crossed over between shows only when ratings would reward the expense simplefish fucked around with this message at 17:47 on Oct 28, 2018 |
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Oct 28, 2018 17:43
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MillennialVulcan posted:Incredibly hosed up that they pressured an under experienced ensign to do that mission when they could have just done some future surgery to make any professional rear end in a top hat look like one down to the genes. This has always been, in my mind, the biggest source of "why didn't they just...?" in Star Trek, to be honest, but since it was introduced as a concept in the Star Trek universe in "The Trouble with Tribbles" I can't fault it because, cliche as this opinion might be, TTWT is completely perfect and to change it would be heresy.
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Oct 28, 2018 17:46
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What? No, I'm not Nick Locarno, that's silly! I'm uh, Nate Lacuervo. Very different and, most importantly, legally distinct.
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Oct 28, 2018 17:46
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simplefish posted:If we have Ro Laren, Fighty Bajoran Aligned with the Federation, my understanding is that every time we use her, the character's creator gets a cut. Hence Kira, Fighty Bajoran Aligned with the Federation. Only if they don't take care of it in the original negotiations. Ro was going to be on DS9 but the actress turned it down so they modified it into Kira.
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Oct 28, 2018 17:53
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MikeJF posted:Only if they don't take care of it in the original negotiations. Ro was going to be on DS9 but the actress turned it down so they modified it into Kira. Fair enough. Do you have a source, I'd like to know more
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Oct 28, 2018 18:01
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simplefish posted:I keep forgetting that the GBS star trek thread isn't here, and I've serious-posted loads there, so hello I suppose lol if all star trek threads don't merge into one in your own mind
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Oct 28, 2018 18:01
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Kira's way better than Ro anyway.
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Oct 28, 2018 18:01
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Had we had Ro on DS9, would Michelle Forbes career be altered to such a degree that we wouldn't have had her play Admiral Cain?
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Oct 28, 2018 18:04
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Pick posted:Kira's way better than Ro anyway. It's not really a fair comparison, one's given the chance to grow on screen while the other isn't
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Oct 28, 2018 18:05
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Tighclops posted:lol if all star trek threads don't merge into one in your own mind *grabs your face* Your thread to my thread... your posts to my posts...
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Oct 28, 2018 18:07
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Kira is the best Star Trek character. Fight me.
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Oct 28, 2018 18:07
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simplefish posted:Fair enough. Do you have a source, I'd like to know more From Sperg Alpha quote:Forbes was later approached to reprise the character of Ro on Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, but she declined because she did not want a regular television role at the time; Nana Visitor's role of Kira Nerys was scripted as a replacement. Forbes was also offered the chance to return on Star Trek: Voyager, but again turned it down.
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Oct 28, 2018 18:08
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simplefish posted:Fair enough. Do you have a source, I'd like to know more It's in a bunch of the making of stuff. Here's a few quotes from an early version of the DS9 series bible from memory alpha: quote:Ro Laren's entry stated, "Established on ST:TNG. She is properly addressed as Lieutenant Ro since Bajorans put their family names first. (Note: She will receive a promotion from Ensign to Lieutenant on an episode of ST:TNG before this series begins.) As a Bajoran, Ro cares passionately about her people's independence. That's why she volunteered for duty on the space station. Sisko originally refused to accept her transfer...He didn't want anything to do with someone with her undistinguished service record and reputation. But during the first episode, she proves her value to him and becomes his first officer." In Jadzia Dax's entry in the bible, a friendship between Ro and Jadzia was suggested: "Ro, who forms a very close relationship with Dax, often tells her to loosen up. Dax admires Ro for her youthful energy, her purpose and her drive and becomes something of a mentor to her." In Odo's entry, Ro "finds Odo's negative attitude to authority delightful and they have a Bajoran fellowship." The bible entry for Quark posited that he and Ro would become adversaries.
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simplefish posted:It's not really a fair comparison, one's given the chance to grow on screen while the other isn't Yea, Ro shows up in Season 6 and gets like...2 episodes about her? Meanwhile Kira is a main character from Day 1.
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hope and vaseline posted:From Sperg Alpha MikeJF posted:It's in a bunch of the making of stuff. Cheers guys
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Oct 28, 2018 18:13
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Himuro posted:Doesn’t she jump on it? Again, she wanted to prove herself if I remember because she was up for promotion and had a red flag in her record. I'm obviously being a little facetious, you're supposed to approach Trek with the assumption that people, Especially Picard, are morally upstanding and that the inferred sexism and unfair pressure on subordinates, etc, is just that, inferres. It's like Pick said, that big inconsistency from ttwt sets in and has a ton of unexplored consequences in future writing. it's hard to separate the implications of fiction from the reality of our own lives.
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Oct 28, 2018 18:18
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The writers seemed to forget that with Garak too, like "oh yeah I was a gardener at the Cardassian embassy on Romulus" as an access point, but uhh? Second Skin (and Star Trek generally) show that you get the cosmetic surgery to look like a member of the other species, you don't need an excuse to be Cardassian on Romulus, you'd just look like a Romulan. Of course Garak's messing with Odo and is a pathological liar, not to mention doesn't actually want to face consequences for whatever murders have gone about, so he's certainly lying at least to some extent about it, but tbh I think in that particular exchange, the writers simply forgot. However, imho it's why Garak's shown as actually knowing other languages, like Klingon, because otherwise you could be sussed out pretty quick if you couldn't speak the language without the UT. I dunno, there's always that fine line between "it makes sense if you turn your head" and "hey writers, you forgot [x] thing again".
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Oct 28, 2018 18:24
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I think Michelle Forbes is great, but Nana Visitor was just perfect for that role. They needed an ambitious, intense, angry riot grrl and they found one. Forbes is a very internal actor, she does a lot with a raised eyebrow or a glance in the distance, and I just can't imagine that working for Kira.
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Oct 28, 2018 18:28
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Nana Visitor makes Kira lovable which is a pretty crazy feat, because there's genuinely a lot to dislike about Kira. But Kira's great!
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Oct 28, 2018 18:29
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I just searched Ensign Sito, clicked a link that I didn’t realize was from Memory Delta and uhhh 
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Himuro posted:Kira is the best Star Trek character. Fight me. She's good at playing crazy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIGHsSSIj40
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Oct 28, 2018 18:37
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I didn’t know that Forbes was offered a Voyager role. Interesting.
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Oct 28, 2018 18:53
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Oct 28, 2018 18:53
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Oct 28, 2018 18:59
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FlamingLiberal posted:I didn’t know that Forbes was offered a Voyager role. Interesting. That'd be an interesting show to watch on inter-dimensional cable. I wonder if they would have toned Ro down into the bland-character muck with Paris and Kim and Chakotay, or managed to keep her interesting. Or perhaps they would have figured they only needed one Rebellious But Capable Girl on the show and never come up with Torres at all.
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Oct 28, 2018 19:14
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Oct 28, 2018 19:18
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In which Gowron sells used cars with numerous kellicams logged on each one.
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Oct 28, 2018 19:33
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https://twitter.com/federation_news/status/1056306944196202496
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Oct 28, 2018 19:46
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Oct 28, 2018 19:58
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Pick posted:Nana Visitor makes Kira lovable which is a pretty crazy feat, because there's genuinely a lot to dislike about Kira. But Kira's great! What’s there to hate about Kira?
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that's an ok comic but "kahless shoes" is an 11/10
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Oct 28, 2018 20:38
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:What do you think neelix smells like? He looks like someone who would have a "that smell"
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Pick posted:The writers seemed to forget that with Garak too, like "oh yeah I was a gardener at the Cardassian embassy on Romulus" as an access point, but uhh? Second Skin (and Star Trek generally) show that you get the cosmetic surgery to look like a member of the other species, you don't need an excuse to be Cardassian on Romulus, you'd just look like a Romulan. Of course Garak's messing with Odo and is a pathological liar, not to mention doesn't actually want to face consequences for whatever murders have gone about, so he's certainly lying at least to some extent about it, but tbh I think in that particular exchange, the writers simply forgot. However, imho it's why Garak's shown as actually knowing other languages, like Klingon, because otherwise you could be sussed out pretty quick if you couldn't speak the language without the UT. I dunno, there's always that fine line between "it makes sense if you turn your head" and "hey writers, you forgot [x] thing again". Of course Garak was loving with Odo, but you're overthinking it a bit. What does a gardener do? Pull weeds, snip and prune unruly growths, keep things pretty and clean by all outward appearances. I'm sure a gardener at an embassy between two powers known for their, ah, vested interest in security and intelligence was quite bored. He was a very good gardener, though.
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