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The books were a big part of my childhood, but there's definitely the D&D Fantasy Race problem concerning the "Vermin races" (Outcast of Redwall is my least favorite for this reason)
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Robindaybird posted:The books were a big part of my childhood, but there's definitely the D&D Fantasy Race problem concerning the "Vermin races" (Outcast of Redwall is my least favorite for this reason) Oh, yeah, I probably kept with them for longer than I should have (I don't think I stopped reading them until I was about 15) because I thought they were good but that's definitely a problem with it. Outcast is strange in retrospect because I feel like Jacques realised it was a problem to have all the "vermin" being uniformly and intrinsically evil and was trying to write a story which addressed it, but the conclusion was very muddled from what I can recall. It wanted to have its cake and eat it. You know what this link is - first thing I ever read on Something Awful and still funny to me.
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Wheat Loaf posted:Oh, yeah, I probably kept with them for longer than I should have (I don't think I stopped reading them until I was about 15) because I thought they were good but that's definitely a problem with it. Outcast is strange in retrospect because I feel like Jacques realised it was a problem to have all the "vermin" being uniformly and intrinsically evil and was trying to write a story which addressed it, but the conclusion was very muddled from what I can recall. It wanted to have its cake and eat it. The Spellsinger series did something similar with mice and other vermin being some kind of lower caste doing horrible menial work, so much so that when Jon-Tom even suggested doing such labor he was all but labeled a race traitor. This was quickly discarded.
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Wheat Loaf posted:Oh, yeah, I probably kept with them for longer than I should have (I don't think I stopped reading them until I was about 15) because I thought they were good but that's definitely a problem with it. Outcast is strange in retrospect because I feel like Jacques realised it was a problem to have all the "vermin" being uniformly and intrinsically evil and was trying to write a story which addressed it, but the conclusion was very muddled from what I can recall. It wanted to have its cake and eat it. I dropped out of the series when I was a kid, are the Redwall books still going to this day or did it end a while back?
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Oct 28, 2018 13:37
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The last Redwall novel was published posthumously in 2011.
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Oct 28, 2018 14:45
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My sequel fanfic however is still going strong at eight hundred chapters and counting
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:My sequel fanfic however is still going strong at eight hundred chapters and counting All of them lavishly describing food, I presume.
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Wheat Loaf posted:All of them lavishly describing food, I presume. The last 97 chapters have been spent on the cross-species peace orgy that closes the prologue of the story as Redwall and the vermin unite against their common enemy: capitalism
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Did they even have money in Redwall?
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There was never a book starring the moles with a necessary accompanying English translation so Redwall was all for nought.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:The last 97 chapters have been spent on the cross-species peace orgy that closes the prologue of the story as Redwall and the vermin unite against their common enemy: capitalism
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It's literally like 2 seconds but this animation on Sonic  https://twitter.com/tracker_td/status/1056692633458880513?s=21 Wanna see a whole Disney animated Sonic movie 
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Inkspot posted:There was never a book starring the moles with a necessary accompanying English translation so Redwall was all for nought. And yet they were fairly easy to understand in the cartoon.
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Wheat Loaf posted:Oh, yeah, I probably kept with them for longer than I should have (I don't think I stopped reading them until I was about 15) because I thought they were good but that's definitely a problem with it. Outcast is strange in retrospect because I feel like Jacques realised it was a problem to have all the "vermin" being uniformly and intrinsically evil and was trying to write a story which addressed it, but the conclusion was very muddled from what I can recall. It wanted to have its cake and eat it. Outcast straight-up confirms that vermin are inherently predisposed to evil by birth, and the only real ambiguity it leaves is whether his love or fondness for his adoptive mother briefly overcame that at the end of his life.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Outcast straight-up confirms that vermin are inherently predisposed to evil by birth, and the only real ambiguity it leaves is whether his love or fondness for his adoptive mother briefly overcame that at the end of his life. not helping is the non-vermin children basically get a slap on the wrist for bullying Veil and the rest made it pretty clear he was unwanted at Redwall, which is part of why the ferret escalated into attempting to poison one of the elders - something you see a lot when the abused finally snaps - and Bryony's conclusion after Veil save her is 'welp guess he was evil'
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Outcast straight-up confirms that vermin are inherently predisposed to evil by birth The science checks out.
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They are noble vermin, not like those disease carrying rats  Is probably what people have said for millennia
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Aces High posted:They are noble vermin, not like those disease carrying rats Not quite millennia -- this is almost directly attributable to Mickey, if I remember correctly.
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So has anyone talked about this yet? https://twitter.com/grinchmovie/status/1055111679246184448?s=21 Never have I heard a more embarrassed rendition. This is like Tyler had to put on a Christmas recital for Grandma and haphazardly came up with this at the last minute with his head hanging down.
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So you can make a Gorillaz song without Damon Albarn. You just shouldn't.
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Til my dying breath will I insist that the platonic ideal of the Grinch was achieved in 1966 by Chuck Jones and Thurl Ravenscroft.
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Beachcomber posted:Til my dying breath will I insist that the platonic ideal of the Grinch was achieved in 1966 by Chuck Jones and Thurl Ravenscroft.
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Btw, Halloween is Grinch Night is shockingly good
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Beachcomber posted:Til my dying breath will I insist that the platonic ideal of the Grinch was achieved in 1966 by Chuck Jones and Thurl Ravenscroft.
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I am so mad at myself for not starting Voltron until tonight.
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So I ended up watching that awful Dragonlance and the Autumn Twilight movie - it's hard to believe they made CGI so bad in 2008 that it looks *worse* than Jimmy Neutron, but it was at least entertainingly bad, even if you can't make heads or tails of the plot because the dialogue is so atrocious.
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asecondduck posted:I am so mad at myself for not starting Voltron until tonight. It’s very good! We have a thread!
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Bert of the Forest posted:So has anyone talked about this yet? Was that Smash Bros leak all viral marketing?
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K. Waste posted:Btw, Halloween is Grinch Night is shockingly good Thank you for the recommendation. I very much enjoyed this.
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Beachcomber posted:Til my dying breath will I insist that the platonic ideal of the Grinch was achieved in 1966 by Chuck Jones and Thurl Ravenscroft.
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So the Netflix animated comedy "Big Mouth" came up in conversation and I had to look up images from the show to prove a point about how godawful repulsive it looks and uhquote:On Rotten Tomatoes, the series has an approval rating of 100% based on 21 reviews, with the critical consensus reading, "Big Mouth's simplistic animation and scatological humor belie its finely sketched characters and smart, empathetic approach to the messiness of adolescence." quote:Rotten Tomatoes gave Season 2 a rating of 100% based on 21 reviews, with the critical consensus reading "Poignantly repulsive, Big Mouth continues to confront the awkwardness of adolescence with foul-mouthed glee and an added layer of maturity." quote:Erik Adams from The A.V. Club awarded the second season an 'A-'. Adams praised the cast, especially Thewlis, and the experimentation of this season, commenting that "it’s shown that it deserves to be included in any conversation about TV’s animated greats." ...So is it actually good?? Or are reviewers just weirdly into shows about children talking about how they'd like to gently caress.
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I don't know if it got better since, but I watched a few episodes with my roommate when season 1 came out and it was god-awful.
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It sucks.
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I feel like a cartoon that intends to make puberty a central theme has basically no choice but to be gross. Puberty is a gross process. I haven't seen this cartoon tho
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Given the sad state of affairs of the US sexual ed system (and with the current administration trying to ban the term 'sexual health' and 'comprehensive sex ed'), a show about the good and bad of puberty would be something teenagers need, but it sounds like Bad Mouth is not that show.
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I watched all of season 1 and enjoyed it. I'm pretty much on board with anything John Mulaney and Nick Kroll do together. The art style is definitely ugly, but it feels like they designed it to be as unappealing as possible so they could get away with all the nudity and other stuff without the risk of it becoming fetishized.
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