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Pinterest Mom posted:I think the best argument for Biden is that he's got a tremendous ability to emotionally connect with an audience. That matters. Here's a pre-teen with whom he emotionally connected, but I'm not sure her emotions work in his favor.  Just lol at anyone who thinks Trump won't be calling him Creepy Uncle Joe and/or that the GOP won't be running the numerous creepy-uncle GIFs out there 24/7 if Biden runs.
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Willa Rogers posted:Just lol at anyone who thinks Trump won't be calling him Creepy Uncle Joe and/or that the GOP won't be running the numerous creepy-uncle GIFs out there 24/7 if Biden runs. There's some legitimate reasons to think Biden wouldn't be the best candidate, but "We can't nominate Joe Biden! What if admitted sexual assaulter Donald Trump calls him creepy? Or the RNC releases an attack ad!" is not one of them, lol. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 23:17 on Oct 31, 2018 |
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There's some legitimate reasons to think Clinton wouldn't be the best candidate, but "we can't nominate Hillary Clinton! What if admitted total crook Donald Trump calls her crooked? Or the RNC releases an attack ad!" is not one of them, lol.
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birds will fly. bees will buzz. the sun will rise in the east, tomorrow. and with an almost-cozy surety donald trump will give every single democratic candidate a nickname or epithet that--lets get over ourselves and admit it--will be kinda hilarious.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:There's some legitimate reasons to think Biden wouldn't be the best candidate, but "We can't nominate Joe Biden! What if admitted sexual assaulter Donald Trump calls him creepy? Or the RNC releases an attack ad!" is not one of them, lol. I usually don't pre-empt a candidate's chances based on how the oppo party will brand them, and if it weren't the post-me-too era I'd say Biden might be able to get enough voters to overlook his horrible legislative record, but it *is* that era and voters will most definitely look at his legislative record after his primary opponents make an issue of it.
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Candidate Pussy-Grabber would never dare bring up Paula Jones or Juanita Brodderick, he'd look so silly and hypocritical, pip pip
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Frightening Knight posted:Yeah but everyone who is realistically going to run in 2020 with the exception of possibly Bloomberg, the Zuck, and maybe Warren can do this. Charisma will be cheap and plentiful in 2020. That's true to an extent, but I haven't seen another of the candidates give a speech anything like this one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwZ6UfXm410
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https://mobile.twitter.com/gdebenedetti/status/1057672389507588096 She's running this is also a bench building tactic that is crucial and very hard to fake. Hellblazer187 posted:The field basically never stays that crowded after South Carolina. I mean I guess if there's ten candidates and they're all polling at around 10% in each primary that's going to be a problem but I think basically after Iowa and NH there will be 1-2 left flank and 1-2 establishment flank remaining. Luckily, I think Willa is right that adding California to TX, NC, and GA will keep more folks in through Super Tuesday.... but a candidate pulling away with meaningful margins in IA and NH could drain the oxygen quick. Harik posted:Republican policies, Democratic stance on identity issues. Basically the perfect candidate for the type of FYGM liberals who don't like hearing about anti-gay bigotry from the state.  , even if that wasn't the intent.mandatory lesbian posted:I wish fulcrum wasn't probated so someone could explain to me why Biden is good Give me a lever and a place to stand posted:Polling (in the 16 cycle) has Biden viewed as unusually trustworthy, caring, and empathetic by every measured demographic. As a senator and VP, he has more experience in the legislative and executive branch than any of his competitors, including how to drive progress without an effective majority in Congress. During that tenure, he built up strong relationships that should help him nationwide, and as a Very Serious white male, the press will be less inclined to tear him down than they were with Hillary. The liability for Anita Hill and general creepiness is actually an advantage as negative attacks will only help him in the primary to consolidate the male vote and others who feel identity politics, #metoo, and women like Harris and Gillibrand have gone too far.
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The Muppets On PCP posted:There's some legitimate reasons to think Clinton wouldn't be the best candidate, but "we can't nominate Hillary Clinton! What if admitted total crook Donald Trump calls her crooked? Or the RNC releases an attack ad!" is not one of them, lol. Democrats have historically been successful when they choose their candidate solely based on hoping the Republicans won't call them mean names. *Votes for 2020 Democratic Nominee Donald Trump Jr.* "He's the only one he can't make a mean nickname for!"
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Pinterest Mom posted:That's true to an extent, but I haven't seen another of the candidates give a speech anything like this one. I am not denying that Biden is charismatic, but speeches do not a candidate make. Booker can make good speeches. Bernie can make... well he makes one particular speech pretty well anyway. But speeches aren't why people will or won't like these people as candidates.
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Willa Rogers posted:I usually don't pre-empt a candidate's chances based on how the oppo party will brand them, and if it weren't the post-me-too era I'd say Biden might be able to get enough voters to overlook his horrible legislative record, but it *is* that era and voters will most definitely look at his legislative record after his primary opponents make an issue of it. he's already working with zero moral authority on economic issues. being a grabby creep is just fuel on the fire
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:There's some legitimate reasons to think Biden wouldn't be the best candidate, but "We can't nominate Joe Biden! What if admitted sexual assaulter Donald Trump calls him creepy? Or the RNC releases an attack ad!" is not one of them, lol. Democrats can't play the same game as the GOP. They aren't running the same race, or going to get to the presidency the same way. The voters that the Democrats want do not respond the same way the GOPs base do. If you can't see why you basically need the cleanest, most upstanding candidate you can possibly find to run against Donald Trump, then just look at where Al Franken and Brett Kavanaugh are respectively. No Republican voter gives a poo poo that Donald Trump is a sexual assaulting fraudulent narcissist, but leftists do give a poo poo about that stuff and nominating Centrist Donald is the easiest way to lose 2020.
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The Muppets On PCP posted:he's already working with zero moral authority on economic issues. being a grabby creep is just fuel on the fire Hey, let's not give the man too much credit; he's also working with zero moral authority on social ones.
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Have I already toxxed on Biden not being the nominee?
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Hellblazer187 posted:Have I already toxxed on Biden not being the nominee? No but you did want to toxx on Hillary not running/double toxx on her not being the nominee. You need to use the emote for it to be official. 
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Biden is going to clean-up in the old-dominated primaries with his popular Loan Forgiveness For Youthful Organs policy
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Biden is the worst one and we should do everything we can to defeat him.
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Frightening Knight posted:No but you did want to toxx on Hillary not running/double toxx on her not being the nominee. OK, here comes some badass toxxes.  Hillary will not run. If Hillary does run, she will not be the nominee. Biden will not be the nominee. If Biden is the nominee, he beats trump.
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Hellblazer187 posted:OK, here comes some badass toxxes. rip hellblazer, banned three times
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GreyjoyBastard posted:rip hellblazer, banned three times Spines cost more than 30 dollars, it's OK. But also, obviously I think these things won't happen.
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Given 2016, my sense is that most everyone will stay in the race until the first debate and then you'll see mass campaign die-off. Still not sure how the party is going to deal with that for a potentially 20+ candidate field, though. Politico suggested earlier this year that party leadership wants to avoid the massive two-tiered debates that the Republicans did in 2016. The two mulled over alternatives seem to be smaller, lot-drawn debates or a bunch of short one-on-one debates, either of which could have a pretty interesting effect.
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Hurf durf I'm Joe Biden "They asked me if I support M4A. I said, 'Malarkey for All?! No, sir!'"
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QuoProQuid posted:Given 2016, my sense is that most everyone will stay in the race until the first debate and then you'll see mass campaign die-off. now i want to bet on a debate championship bracket
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Every week this thread rotates to a new dem savior, isnt this huge loving problem when trying to have a unified idea of what the dem candidate should do. Its so fuckibg bipolar. One week zbernie es la savior de frontieres the next week man silent Biden sure is respectable guy. Whats with the continuous bounce between the "socialist heretic"and conservative biden. I mean gently caress the party is so rudderless.
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Ytlaya posted:Hey, let's not give the man too much credit; he's also working with zero moral authority on social ones. I know you're dumb about things like this and just assume the worst of anyone you don't like, but this is really stupid and really offensive to trans people. Biden was the first nationally elected politician to come out in favor of gay marriage and he is the leading national political supporter of trans rights in America. He LITERALLY wrote the forward to trans activist Sarah McBride's memoirs and personally invited trans activists to the Democratic National Convention when nobody else would. He employed and defended trans-women from harassment for working as women during their transition in 1988.
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LeoMarr posted:Every week this thread rotates to a new dem savior, isnt this huge loving problem when trying to have a unified idea of what the dem candidate should do. Its so fuckibg bipolar. One week zbernie es la savior de frontieres the next week man silent Biden sure is respectable guy. Whats with the continuous bounce between the "socialist heretic"and conservative biden. I mean gently caress the party is so rudderless. lol who in this thread thinks Biden is a savior?
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LeoMarr posted:Every week this thread rotates to a new dem savior, isnt this huge loving problem when trying to have a unified idea of what the dem candidate should do. Its so fuckibg bipolar. One week zbernie es la savior de frontieres the next week man silent Biden sure is respectable guy. Whats with the continuous bounce between the "socialist heretic"and conservative biden. I mean gently caress the party is so rudderless. bernie has been the dem savior literally the entire time in the view of basically everyone in this thread (including me, I'm just particularly interested in second-place / Backup Bernie), but discussing multiple candidates is interesting and yes, i realize that the LeoMarr post is probably disingenuous Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:I know you're dumb about things like this and just assume the worst of anyone you don't like, but this is really stupid and really offensive to trans people. oh good, another Leon Trotsky 2012 post exactly in the middle of the venn diagram between "contrarianism that will make people mad and cherrypicks what to discuss" and "factually correct" while I hate a lot of Biden positions, I do have to concede that he has personally and meaningfully moved the needle on LGBT issues Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 01:16 on Nov 1, 2018 |
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:I know you're dumb about things like this and just assume the worst of anyone you don't like, but this is really stupid and really offensive to trans people. thank god that the man who thought Anita Hill was a lying slut would also think a trans woman who came forward with similar complaints against a powerful man was just as much a valid lying slut. Truly the social savior of our time.
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sexpig by night posted:thank god that the man who thought Anita Hill was a lying slut would also think a trans woman who came forward with similar complaints against a powerful man was just as much a valid lying slut. Truly the social savior of our time. You don't actually know what the criticism of Biden during the Anita Hill hearings was, do you? Because that was not it.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:You don't actually know what the criticism of Biden during the Anita Hill hearings was, do you? No I'm with you, it's nice to know if one of the three women who Biden refused to call as witnesses to support Hill was trans he'd view her as a woman just like the other two he was actively ignoring.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:You don't actually know what the criticism of Biden during the Anita Hill hearings was, do you? what an awful lot of characters to type out "nuh-uh"
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VitalSigns posted:What was Biden's take, was it "lying slut" or "the rear end-slapping was not done in an inappropriate manner" before he confirmed an LGBT-hating bigot to the highest court in the land Bit more cynical and less horrific at the same time. Basically the politics of scuttling a black man's nomination after the retirement of Thurgood Marshall based on how sexual harassment allegations were viewed in the late 1980s and early 1990s made it more expedient to not investigate Anita Hill's allegations as much as they should have been.
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sexpig by night posted:No I'm with you, it's nice to know if one of the three women who Biden refused to call as witnesses to support Hill was trans he'd view her as a woman just like the other two he was actively ignoring. lol, I see you did a brief google search and still don't know what happened. It's okay, you were probably too young; maybe not even born yet. There's nothing wrong with not knowing, but just deciding to chime in with certainty when you don't know doesn't benefit anybody. Tell me in here where Joe Biden called Anita Hill a slut: quote:After Hill’s testimony, Biden seemed to apologize for what had gone on. He even praised Hill. The criticism of Biden is not that he was personally mean to Anita Hill. It was that other Senators were and he didn't do enough to shut it down. He also sent investigators to look into harassment allegations against Thomas and found two more women, but one of them refused to testify. He decided not to bring either of them in to testify because one of them refused and both women had supported each other's accounts. That's fine to say that he might have been able to change some minds and that he hosed up by doing that, but don't make up things and then try to talk down work on trans rights in the same sentence. Just live in reality and don't make your own "fake news."
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VitalSigns posted:What was Biden's take, was it "lying slut" or "the rear end-slapping was not done in an inappropriate manner" before he confirmed an LGBT-hating bigot to the highest court in the land 
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"the rear end-slapping was not done in an inappropriate enough manner to justify investigation" particularly a fan of his whining about how dare that uppity bitch still hold a grudge, he "got it in '91" Diamond Joe got him Opinions about whether or not "character assassination" of sexual assaulters should be a thing anyone does
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:"the rear end-slapping was not done in an inappropriate enough manner to justify investigation" He did conduct an investigation. You need to keep your criticism straight. The criticism is that he conducted an investigation, but one of the women refused to come forward and he decided not to call additional testimony unless someone requested it. He voted against Thomas and was one of about 6 Senators to explicitly say he believed her. He literally never defended Thomas in the entire hearing.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:He did conduct an investigation. You need to keep your criticism straight. and to this day proclaims: bothering to complete that investigation would have been the wrong thing to do, because it would have been too damned indecorous. with enemies like these, who needs allies.
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:and to this day proclaims: bothering to complete that investigation would have been the wrong thing to do, because it would have been too damned indecorous. You gotta read the article you just hastily googled. It doesn't say that at all. I know you're committed to the vision you've set up, but why lie to yourself? Even Anita Hill doesn't say that. Why not just criticize real things instead of directing your effort there?
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