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blarzgh
Apr 14, 2009

SNITCHIN' RANDY
Grimey Drawer
Unconscionability is one way to toss out a pre-nup, but one of the other things in Texas for a pre-nup (now usually called a "pre-marital agreement") to be enforceable is that both sides have to reasonably disclose their assets before signing, and I 100% guarantee you he didn't do it.

P-Mack posted:

Seeing as the child support bit is absurdly invalid does that toss the whole agreement out if there's no severability clause?

Yes you're probably right, and since he didn't have a lawyer draft it - if he did, the child support thing wouldn't be in there - I highly doubt there was a severability clause.


Lastly: this is one of those loving clients who you can tell over and over again how they hosed up and how its not likely you're going to get everything you want here, and they still just never comprehend that they can't do whatever they want and still get everything they want. Btw, his lawyer, the Judge, the other side, the pleadings, the family code all call it "Spousal Maintenance" now, not Alimony, so you can tell he hasn't really been paying attention.

I'm glad I don't do family law.

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sandoz
Jan 29, 2009


jobson groeth posted:

Kind of cool to know.

uh got some bad news for you buddy lol

sandoz
Jan 29, 2009


oh my loving god lol i'm dying here

-10

La Brea Carpet
Nov 22, 2007

I have no mouth and I must post
Recent ex works at a newspaper and ran a full page story about me being a pedophile, it's just revenge

quote:

So I broke up with my girlfriend of 6 years, about to be engaged when I found out she cheated on me. A friend linked me a video clip of her on a cam site being intimate with a guy on our couch. I moved all my stuff out while she worked and sent her a text saying goodbye and a link to the video. She starts apologizing and claims it was to help her male friend make money, then once that didn't work she claimed he forced her and I should protect her better and at this point I blocked her number.

This was on Friday of last week, today I start getting texts and phone calls from my older relatives and friends who read the paper asking me wth is going on. I'm lost and don't know what they are talking about so I take a break at work and grab a newspaper, sure enough there is a full page story with my Facebook profile picture saying I am a pedophile and should be locked up.

I call the newspaper and speak to the highest up person I can speak to and ask him what the hell is going on and why is this in the paper. He apologizes and promises to print a front-page retraction tomorrow. Also I found out from a mutual friend of hers that she was escorted out of the building and fired at the end of the day around 5 hours after I called them.

How does libel or slander work for something like this? I googled it and one of the main ways to avoid it is to retract it and the paper said they will post a retraction tomorrow, technically today it's so late. Is this something I report to the police against her or is it purely a civil matter? I'm in Indiana. Also should I unblock her and ask her what the hell or so I just not so that if I am going to pursue other legal options?

ArbitraryC
Jan 28, 2009
Pick a number, any number
Pillbug

Blade Runner posted:

It depends on the state, but alimony can be awarded in a situation where there's a large income discrepancy, which there seems to be here.
Is there a reason for that? Like I understand the situation where one parent gave up their career to be a stay at home spouse but if they've both been working the whole time and both have liveable wages afterwards it strikes me as a bit odd

zakharov
Nov 30, 2002

:kimchi: Tater Love :kimchi:
Uhhh what kind of terrible paper publishes that without some kind of fact checking

I'm skeptical here

Yawgmoth
Sep 10, 2003

This post is cursed!
^^^ if it's a lovely little nothing town she could have snuck it through the one person in charge of printing or had the ability to declare her own writing "fact checked enough" or something.

La Brea Carpet posted:

Recent ex works at a newspaper and ran a full page story about me being a pedophile, it's just revenge
Several Indiana civil lawyers just got boners hard enough to shred their pants and don't know why.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

La Brea Carpet posted:

Recent ex works at a newspaper and ran a full page story about me being a pedophile, it's just revenge

This is some next-level dedication

Getting myself fired and possibly jailed for libel to own the exes

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?

Khazar-khum posted:

I still call BS because I can't believe there's an entire building in NYC that's Republican.

This is from a few pages back, but Staten Island is one of the five boroughs and it's been solid red for decades, due to the fact that it's basically full of angry white alcoholic cops.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

My favorite detail is "should I unblock her and ask her what the hell?" I think she made her position pretty clear when she ran a phony front-page story in the local paper calling you a pedophile, dude, there's not really anything more to say here

Admiral Ray
May 17, 2014

Proud Musk and Dogecoin fanboy

ArbitraryC posted:

Also I thought alimony was p rare in 2018, I'm surprised it was awarded when it does sound like the ex wife has a full time reasonable job.

Alimony is awarded in order to prevent a quality of life change. That's why you see, for example, extremely rich divorcees paying out millions in alimony to their exes. If both parties are of comparable earning potential, and this is demonstrated in court to the satisfaction of the presiding judge, then alimony is not usually awarded.

Theophany
Jul 22, 2014

SUCCHIAMI IL MIO CAZZO DA DIETRO, RANA RAGAZZO



2022 FIA Formula 1 WDC

La Brea Carpet posted:

Recent ex works at a newspaper and ran a full page story about me being a pedophile, it's just revenge

So your ex tried to ruin your life but inadvertently wrote you a cheque to the tune of whatever that newspaper's assets are, plus she got herself fired and probably destroyed any prospect of getting a job that isn't a store clerk.

Everything worked out just fine, I'd say.

Blade Runner
Aug 14, 2015

ArbitraryC posted:

Is there a reason for that? Like I understand the situation where one parent gave up their career to be a stay at home spouse but if they've both been working the whole time and both have liveable wages afterwards it strikes me as a bit odd

Livable wages don't exist in a vacuum, basically. You can live off 40,000 a year, but if you were previously living off of 100,000 a year, it's actually legitimately difficult to downgrade gracefully given car payments, other bills, etc.

Generally, alimony as it is today tends to be temporary and is discretionarily awarded.


For the news story dude, yeah uh retractions don't mean a loving thing and toothpaste not going back into the bottle is like one of the most basic parts of libel law

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Theophany posted:

So your ex tried to ruin your life but inadvertently wrote you a cheque to the tune of whatever that newspaper's assets are, plus she got herself fired and probably destroyed any prospect of getting a job that isn't a store clerk.

Everything worked out just fine, I'd say.

It was a really, really, really poorly-thought-out plan, and the only explanation I can think of is that she was Extremely Mad for like 24 hours straight without the requisite 30 seconds' worth of calmness necessary to think "maybe this will backfire super hard though?"

I sincerely think an insanity defense is her best bet because a rage-fugue is the only plausible explanation

Barudak
May 7, 2007

Theophany posted:

So your ex tried to ruin your life but inadvertently wrote you a cheque to the tune of whatever that newspaper's assets are, plus she got herself fired and probably destroyed any prospect of getting a job that isn't a store clerk.

Everything worked out just fine, I'd say.

Yeah, but like, that involves getting a lawyer and that sounds like work. Way easier to just message her.

Blade Runner
Aug 14, 2015

I mean she might just be loving stupid and a liar

Considering her first defense against being caught cheating on video was "well I made money from it" and her fall back was "when you think about it this is actually your fault for not busting through the wall and beating him to death despite not knowing it was happening" she might be a moron

Theophany
Jul 22, 2014

SUCCHIAMI IL MIO CAZZO DA DIETRO, RANA RAGAZZO



2022 FIA Formula 1 WDC

Barudak posted:

Yeah, but like, that involves getting a lawyer and that sounds like work. Way easier to just message her.

Good point. They should probably work things out and stay together so as not to inflict themselves on anybody else.

Auto Level Yoshi
Aug 14, 2008
the lesson is if you dont want to get saddled with alimony, dont be stupid enough to get married :agesilaus:

Hellblazer187
Oct 12, 2003

Auto Level Yoshi posted:

the lesson is if you dont want to get saddled with alimony, dont be stupid enough to get married :agesilaus:

Another option would have been to have an actual attorney do a realistic pre-nup.

El_Elegante
Jul 3, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Biscuit Hider
Libeled man should definitely include a new couch in his damages.

tactlessbastard
Feb 4, 2001

Godspeed, post
Fun Shoe

El_Elegante posted:

Libeled man should definitely include a new couch in his damages.

He can loot one from the offices of the newspaper he's about to own

El_Elegante
Jul 3, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Biscuit Hider
Yeah, but how does he know his ex hasn’t “gotten intimate” on it?

HMS Beagle
Feb 13, 2009



Supposedly it's this newspaper, but I am absolutely not paying for an e-edition for this.

gvibes
Jan 18, 2010

Leading us to the promised land (i.e., one tournament win in five years)

ArbitraryC posted:

Also I thought alimony was p rare in 2018, I'm surprised it was awarded when it does sound like the ex wife has a full time reasonable job.
In Illinois, it’s basically just a formula based on number of years married and the income differential.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Isn't the number of people in the US receiving alimony ridiculously small all things considered?

Xenocides
Jan 14, 2008

This world looks very scary....


The Lone Badger posted:

Judge threw out prenup and is requiring me to pay alimony [Texas]


Alimony is also relatively hard to get in Texas and almost always has a limited duration. I hate this guy and hope the judge looked at the prenup and giggled before throwing it out.

Leon Einstein
Feb 6, 2012
I must win every thread in GBS. I don't care how much banal semantic quibbling and shitty posts it takes.
My parents divorced in 97ish, and my mom got alimony for 20 years. She is very short sighted and made a bunch of terrible financial and life choices and now has pretty much no money. My sister and I told her to sock it away, but she spent every penny and then some. She also got a big lump sum and didn't pay taxes on it and the IRS went after her.

I am guessing this scenario is common. She had no financial sense when married, why would she have it when nobody could tell her what to do? She could've been set for life, but now she has to work full time and live in a really cheap apartment.

DeadMansSuspenders
Jan 10, 2012

I wanna be your left hand man

Milotic posted:

I [28/F] recently made a great new friend. The problem is that he [26/M] has spent his life living under a rock (strict Jehovah's witness until a year ago), and now he just agrees with everything I say and I feel like I'm the ONLY influence on him. I feel like I'm brainwashing him all over again.
There was nothing humble about this brag. That was brutal.

Also the libelous ex might be a new entry into my top five.

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

La Brea Carpet posted:

Recent ex works at a newspaper and ran a full page story about me being a pedophile, it's just revenge

holy poo poo amazing

zakharov posted:

Uhhh what kind of terrible paper publishes that without some kind of fact checking

I'm skeptical here

"lol what's fact checking" - literally every American newspaper, 2018

remember how the NYT has had like, recurring problems with its journalists just staying home and making up every story they write, and only getting caught when the readership writes in

A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 16:45 on Nov 1, 2018

dudeness
Mar 5, 2010

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:
Fallen Rib
Plausible if OP is spiderman and the newspaper editor is J Jonah Jameson.

Clark Nova
Jul 18, 2004

Those last two are both are great. I love tales of trashy assholes getting :owned:

MightyJoe36
Dec 29, 2013

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:

Pope Corky the IX posted:

This is from a few pages back, but Staten Island is one of the five boroughs and it's been solid red for decades, due to the fact that it's basically full of angry white alcoholic cops.

Because that's the only place in NYC that they can afford to live.

ArbitraryC
Jan 28, 2009
Pick a number, any number
Pillbug

Admiral Ray posted:

Alimony is awarded in order to prevent a quality of life change. That's why you see, for example, extremely rich divorcees paying out millions in alimony to their exes. If both parties are of comparable earning potential, and this is demonstrated in court to the satisfaction of the presiding judge, then alimony is not usually awarded.

Lol at I've become accustomed the trophy wife lifestyle being an actual court thing.

Blade Runner
Aug 14, 2015

ArbitraryC posted:

Lol at I've become accustomed the trophy wife lifestyle being an actual court thing.

It's more a thing done to keep rich douchebags from holding utter financial domination over women who they treat poorly and who no longer want to be with them

andrew smash
Jun 26, 2006

smooth soul

Beachcomber posted:

I think it works if it's a neighborhood baby, but don't drive to the rich part of town trying to get the real loot.

If rich shitheads giving candy to kids from the wrong part of town is the only redistribution that happens on any given day they should feel loving lucky

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Blade Runner posted:

It's more a thing done to keep rich douchebags from holding utter financial domination over women who they treat poorly and who no longer want to be with them

That's an incidental side benefit but not really the state's logic, see also: https://money.cnn.com/2011/09/06/news/economy/911_compensation_fund/index.htm

Kamikaze Raider
Sep 28, 2001

A Wizard of Goatse posted:

remember how the NYT has had like, recurring problems with its journalists just staying home and making up every story they write, and only getting caught when the readership writes in

No. I genuinely don't remember that. Which articles were made up? I assume this is something that's happened fairly recently.

El_Elegante
Jul 3, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Biscuit Hider
Stephen Glass, Jason Blair.

Pope Corky the IX
Dec 18, 2006

What are you looking at?

El_Elegante posted:

Stephen Glass, Jason Blair.

Stephen Glass never wrote for the New York Times. He was mainly New Republic, and contributing to Rolling Stone and George. Also, that was twenty years ago.

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andrew smash
Jun 26, 2006

smooth soul
Yeah but they made a movie about it starring anakin skywalker

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