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Way before seasons 8-10 they were getting really lazy. I remember they had a scene where they were in a room with a control panel and determined something like 'It's going to blow up any second now! We have to get out of here!' and then they proceeded to leisurely walk into the next room with the teleporter. Also I remember the episode with Jaffa Wayne Brady and how he captured the team and instead of executing them or even putting them in chains he just stood there behind them most of the episode and was SHOCKED when they broke free. Part of the first one, I now realize, is budgetary - they had to do everything in tiny rooms draped with black curtains. The second one is just pure laziness on the part of the writers, directors, actors, etc. SG1 is interesting as it slowly but surely dissolves into a lazy mass of goo. At least it did it slower than Voyager.
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SG-1 has some Flash Gordon levels of "captured by the enemy". There's always a reason not to kill the prisoner, there's often times not a door on the cell--just a guard or weird gravity, doors open when door panels are damaged, and evil authority figures like bringing prisoners into control areas to speak archly at them.
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Nov 1, 2018 15:18
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Marina Sirtis is fantastic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkTR4l62Duk
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Nov 1, 2018 16:51
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Grand Fromage posted:I avoided SG-1 for a while because I'd caught occasional episodes and they were all Trek plot rehashes so I figured that's all it was. It does retread a lot of Trek plots but is still good and worth watching. Yeah, it's basically that. It does remind me of a Trek series a lot, in my mind it's almost what Enterprise should have been. But it's good! S2-S6 particularly are really swell.
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Nov 1, 2018 17:01
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Nov 1, 2018 17:11
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It's not like Star Trek can go two seasons without rehashing a plot anyways.
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Nov 1, 2018 17:35
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Alan_Shore posted:Marina Sirtis is fantastic  Or like Mark Hamill referring to X-wings as "planes" in an old Making Of Star Wars special. And you know somewhere a  is raging.
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Alan_Shore posted:Marina Sirtis is fantastic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXZg_GZYb7A I could watch her talk forever.
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Nov 1, 2018 18:26
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It's been mentioned in this thread before, but if you haven't heard the director commentary of Insurrection you are doing yourself a disservice. It's basically Frakes (Riker) who was the director and Marina (Troi) getting progressively more drunk as Frakes goes into as much detail as possible with child like glee and real human connection about the film. Marina just talks poo poo the whole time about everything. It's glorious and really the only way you should watch that movie. Burning_Monk fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Nov 1, 2018 |
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Nov 1, 2018 18:32
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Burning_Monk posted:Franks (Riker) Quoting for ban
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Nov 1, 2018 18:36
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That commentary is loving incredible and a genuine bizarre joy.
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Nov 1, 2018 18:37
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It is almost, but not quite, enough to justify the existence of Insurrection
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Nov 1, 2018 18:39
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Brawnfire posted:SG-1 has some Flash Gordon levels of "captured by the enemy". There's always a reason not to kill the prisoner, there's often times not a door on the cell--just a guard or weird gravity, doors open when door panels are damaged, and evil authority figures like bringing prisoners into control areas to speak archly at them. I realize hanging a lampshade isn't always a shield against these things but, Jack O'Neill is basically a genre awareness golem and SG-1 gradually evolves from straight pulp scifi adventure to "this is what happens when you actually think about this inane setting for two seconds".
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Nov 1, 2018 20:02
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McSpanky posted:I realize hanging a lampshade isn't always a shield against these things but, Jack O'Neill is basically a genre awareness golem and SG-1 gradually evolves from straight pulp scifi adventure to "this is what happens when you actually think about this inane setting for two seconds". SG1 goes too far off the rails in my opinion, particularly with regards to RDA and the writing staff. Meta poo poo is right in my wheelhouse and might be my favorite kind of comedy, but it only works when it's done with commitment and effort. Far too often on SG1 lampshading was just an excuse to be lazy.
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Nov 1, 2018 20:09
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It starts getting really noticeable around the time that Daniel dies and becomes terminal once RDA checks out.
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Nov 1, 2018 20:15
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Tighclops posted:It starts getting really noticeable around the time that Daniel dies and becomes terminal once RDA checks out. Right, by the time they defeat Anubis just about everyone is openly mocking Stunt Goa'uld #17 and there's multiple Jaffa politics eps per season, it's... less than fresh.
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Nov 1, 2018 20:20
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Yeah but that's waaaay in. You get like 6 good seasons.
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Nov 1, 2018 20:41
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all I'm getting out of the stargate chat is that i want to watch Farscape again
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Pick posted:Yeah but that's waaaay in. You get like 6 good seasons. Yeah and that's the thing. Even when the show is long in the tooth and they're reaching for poo poo to actually do, you still get the occasional "Teal'C goes off on an epic one man revenge mission where he singlehandedly slaughters whole armies but somehow fails to stick the landing so it's up to Our Pals to go and save him with their own ridiculous rescue op" episode now and then. McSpanky posted:Right, by the time they defeat Anubis just about everyone is openly mocking Stunt Goa'uld #17 and there's multiple Jaffa politics eps per season, it's... less than fresh. It's around that time they really star laying on the Star Trek tropes really thick, too. As much as I enjoyed the "power creep" of the underdog humans from Earth ramping up their abilities with reverse engineered alien tech they've recovered via their adventures through the gate, the fact that it all amounted to "shields at 70%! *sparklers and camera shake" in the end feels weak.
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Nov 1, 2018 22:25
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The good things about shows like SG1 is that by the time the quality of the plots and writing starts to suffer you enjoy the characters enough to just keep watching anyways. So just watch the show and then stop when you don't want to watch it anymore.
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Nov 1, 2018 22:29
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Tighclops posted:It's around that time they really star laying on the Star Trek tropes really thick, too. As much as I enjoyed the "power creep" of the underdog humans from Earth ramping up their abilities with reverse engineered alien tech they've recovered via their adventures through the gate, the fact that it all amounted to "shields at 70%! *sparklers and camera shake" in the end feels weak. That was the problem with Atlantis too, by the end they are literally flying around in FTL ships with shields and laser beams, have tricorders, rayguns that stun and basically ever other trope including teleporters.
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Nov 1, 2018 22:31
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Baronjutter posted:The good things about shows like SG1 is that by the time the quality of the plots and writing starts to suffer you enjoy the characters enough to just keep watching anyways. So just watch the show and then stop when you don't want to watch it anymore. Yeah, I stuck with Supernatural far, far longer than was necessary using this line of reasoning.
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Nov 1, 2018 23:33
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I didn't like SG1 because I was literally the only person on Earth that preferred the novels that came out before SG1, wherein Earth had complex defense systems like "if anything other than a USAF dude or a guy working for that PMC we hired comes out, it gets a face full of claymore and we bury this thing in a desert again."
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That's not too far off from early SG1, where it was basically 'a bunch of machine guns pointed at the gate and then if that fails we set off the nuke'
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Nov 2, 2018 02:08
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I mean from a practical point of view it never really made sense that they didn't relocate the SGC offworld early on and only ever open the Earth gate to codes kept at that base, but whatever.
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Nov 2, 2018 02:13
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The iris was cool though.
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bull3964 posted:The iris was cool though. I loved how mechanical all the things in early SG1 were. The Atlantis gate was such a step down without the spinning and the ka-chnk chevrons.
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Nov 2, 2018 02:38
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I'm nearing the end of my DS9 rewatch and Take Me Out to the Holosuite is still just the absolute best. This show is a real gem.
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LividLiquid posted:I'm nearing the end of my DS9 rewatch and Take Me Out to the Holosuite is still just the absolute best. I don't trust anyone who willingly skips Take Me Out to the Holosuite. I understand not enjoying baseball. Most baseball fans don't enjoy baseball for 50% of the season, but how could anyone not enjoy just watching the cast flail around trying to play an extinct sport? Plus, Cowboy Odo West. 
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I submit they could have had an amusing an episode with them playing any team sport, but there's something about the inherent dorkiness and nonviolence of baseball that plays really well against their character quirks.
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SG-1 is fun and watchable so it’s understandable that Star Trek fans would get all pissy about it.
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Zesty posted:SG-1 is fun and watchable so it’s understandable that Star Trek fans would get all pissy about it. b but most everyone's saying its good ...?
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Most everyone agrees that more than 50% of ten-season SG-1 is worth watching, which is really more than you can get most fans of Trek to agree is worth watching 
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The montage in the middle of the episode that culminates with Kira catching Odo practicing umpire moves in his office just makes me smile like the dickens. The fact that the show explored the dark side of utopia and lives in wartime for much of its latter-half makes the lighthearted episodes so, so refreshing, because with the exception of Sisko, at times (In the Pale Moonlight and Nuking planets to capture Eddington), the people of the show never sell their soul. It's Star Trek at wartime, and it's even optimistic about war, fundamentally, even if it does ask all those questions about "what if our socialist utopia was threatened and we had to do bad things?" A bunch of characters declaring time out on war and playing an old dead game for fun and camaraderie is just <3 as gently caress. I'm really looking forward to Sisko's Eleven coming up for the same reason.
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The only thing Take Me Out... does wrong is not include Garak in some fashion, likely stealing the Vulcans’ signs from a tree in the outfield.
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LividLiquid posted:A bunch of characters declaring time out on war and playing an old dead game for fun and camaraderie is just <3 as gently caress. I'm really looking forward to Sisko's Eleven coming up for the same reason.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:The only thing Take Me Out... does wrong is not include Garak in some fashion, likely stealing the Vulcans’ signs from a tree in the outfield. He'd just go out into left field and disappear. you dont see him again in the entire episode. you dont even notice. however, 2 of the vulcans are also missing in the background. where did they go.
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Pick posted:He'd just go out into left field and disappear. you dont see him again in the entire episode. you dont even notice. however, 2 of the vulcans are also missing in the background. where did they go. Spotted at Quark's at the end of the episode, having root beer floats.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:The only thing Take Me Out... does wrong is not include Garak in some fashion, likely stealing the Vulcans’ signs from a tree in the outfield.
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McSpanky posted:Spotted at Quark's at the end of the episode, having root beer floats. what are like cigarettes banned
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