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Thundarr posted:Has WoW done something new to chase it's players away? Yes. They released an expansion.
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The tank in my last run of Bardam's had the most tank anxiety I've ever seen but they also had all DoW/DoM classes at level 70. How is that possible after playing the game that much? Account buyers are universally oblivious to the trouble they cause so I'm not sure if it's that.
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Nov 2, 2018 22:40
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Captain Cappy posted:The tank in my last run of Bardam's had the most tank anxiety I've ever seen but they also had all DoW/DoM classes at level 70. How is that possible after playing the game that much? Account buyers are universally oblivious to the trouble they cause so I'm not sure if it's that. bardam's mettle hits like a runaway dump truck
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Nov 2, 2018 22:41
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even when the tank and healers are geared, the first pull in bardam's is some spicy poo poo
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Nov 2, 2018 22:45
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Kaubocks posted:bardam's mettle hits like a runaway dump truck Not if you do single pulls the entire dungeon. They were legit worried they would ruin the run because they never tanked this before and started the dungeon by saying "If I screw up tanking too much I'll leave". It was like they started the dungeon with a panic attack in progress.
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Nov 2, 2018 22:45
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Captain Cappy posted:The tank in my last run of Bardam's had the most tank anxiety I've ever seen but they also had all DoW/DoM classes at level 70. How is that possible after playing the game that much? Account buyers are universally oblivious to the trouble they cause so I'm not sure if it's that. Ive got everything at 70 and still dont like/not good at healing. Leveling up is easy
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Nov 2, 2018 22:47
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Thundarr posted:Has WoW done something new to chase it's players away? Short answer is that WoW's writing has always been uneven. Quest arcs can be great. Zone arcs can be pretty good. Anything bigger tends to run the gamut of okay to awful. It's a mix of just plain bad writing combined with stereotypical western fantasy tropes that WoW has embraced too long to let go of. And the faction split.
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Nov 2, 2018 22:56
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Captain Cappy posted:Not if you do single pulls the entire dungeon. They were legit worried they would ruin the run because they never tanked this before and started the dungeon by saying "If I screw up tanking too much I'll leave". It was like they started the dungeon with a panic attack in progress. Some people can't handle the Enmity. Sometimes it's because they themselves are a big proponent of 'you are a bad tank and thus you are bad and should feel bad' vocalizations/opinions. Most of the time it's performance anxiety. apostateCourier posted:RDM isn't that hard, why is this one so afraid of pushing the buttons that make damage happen? Two casts of verstone, total? What? Only six holys, and no flares? What?? Verholy is better than Verflare in every metric that matters  The real crime is only doing six of them. That's like, one opener's worth of Verholy on each boss. Even in crazy WTFDPS Boss Dead in 4 min situations I manage at least 3 per boss!
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Nov 2, 2018 23:05
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Argas posted:Short answer is that WoW's writing has always been uneven. Quest arcs can be great. Zone arcs can be pretty good. Anything bigger tends to run the gamut of okay to awful. It's a mix of just plain bad writing combined with stereotypical western fantasy tropes that WoW has embraced too long to let go of. And the faction split. Isn't it mostly gameplay grievances, I can't really imagine a scenario where any significant amount of people would decide whether or not to play WoW because of its writing.
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Nov 2, 2018 23:15
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Kanfy posted:Isn't it mostly gameplay grievances, I can't really imagine a scenario where any significant amount of people would decide whether or not to play WoW because of its writing. There are definitely gameplay grievances but there's definitely been more than a few goons who've cancelled their subs in part due to the direction of the story. WoW's story has never been a selling point but this is a pretty low point from what I've seen.
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Nov 2, 2018 23:18
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I read the bitching thread because I am generally less enamored with ff14 currently and need to be reminded what I left and the 2 major complaints are that gearing is a complete pile of bullshit rng now and that they completely hosed up the levelling experience so even if you wanted to roll alts to escape the gear treadmill it still sucks. Edit: Unrelated to this, bardaams hosed me up pretty bad when I got to that level range while levelling tanks. Expected to just hang out in 270 shire gear until 56 and was going to roll with my str jewelry until 70 (going back to str on tank gear still a real harebrained change) and I had 2 or 3 instances where I just got completely rocked. Had to craft 54 gear and make some shameful vit accessories. Failboattootoot fucked around with this message at 23:29 on Nov 2, 2018 |
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Nov 2, 2018 23:21
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Argas posted:There are definitely gameplay grievances but there's definitely been more than a few goons who've cancelled their subs in part due to the direction of the story. WoW's story has never been a selling point but this is a pretty low point from what I've seen. Let me rephrase that, there's literally zero chance any legitimately significant amount of people would quit playing WoW because of "bad writing combined with stereotypical western fantasy tropes". FFXIV is much more story-focused and I would not buy that claim even for this game, most people simply don't feel that strongly about their MMO lore. They might complain about it, but only a very small minority would quit altogether because of it. If people start quitting in droves then something's gone awry in the gameplay aspect, and that's definitely where most of the complaints I've heard about have been aimed at when it comes to WoW's latest expansion. After that people will attach "...and the writing sucks too which is even more a reason to quit", but it'll always be a distant secondary concern.
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Nov 2, 2018 23:35
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Hey all, my husband and I have been playing this game pretty reliably each day for about a month now (hit 70, got to 4.3 before diving way into alliance raids). We started with a group of friends that have... well, mostly disappeared. We started on Aether because of those people but now we think we should just restart on Primal. My dilemma is: should we roll new dudes on a road to 60 world or just dive into Excalibur since we are looking for that sense of community? I know you can party cross-world but it really isn't the same, especially for things like hunting and maps. Anyone have any insights and/or suggestions for FCs on Malboro, Famrit, or Brynhildr if we decide to go that route?
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Nov 2, 2018 23:54
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Mord's post was timed with a few people in the WoW lore thread not liking the direction of future content which is timed with the release of another trailer focusing on a character and their characterization that they feel has gone to poo poo and is going in a direction they do not like. Perhaps it's a coincidence. I'm not saying there's going to be a general WoW exodus, and even a shift of, say, a dozen people who care about lore in the WoW goon population barely makes a dent. But the timing for it is there.
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Nov 2, 2018 23:56
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Oh god no.  The playerbase is bad enough as-is!
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Nov 3, 2018 00:42
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Primpin, why not just pay to server transfer your current characters? I like FFXIV a lot, but I’d never want to do everything over again on a fresh character.
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Nov 3, 2018 00:44
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Primpin and Pimpin posted:Hey all, my husband and I have been playing this game pretty reliably each day for about a month now (hit 70, got to 4.3 before diving way into alliance raids). We started with a group of friends that have... well, mostly disappeared. We started on Aether because of those people but now we think we should just restart on Primal. My dilemma is: should we roll new dudes on a road to 60 world or just dive into Excalibur since we are looking for that sense of community? I know you can party cross-world but it really isn't the same, especially for things like hunting and maps. Anyone have any insights and/or suggestions for FCs on Malboro, Famrit, or Brynhildr if we decide to go that route? Transfer to Excal - more people than you can shake a stick at and a guild for all types of players.
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Nov 3, 2018 00:58
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brainwrinkle posted:Primpin, why not just pay to server transfer your current characters? I like FFXIV a lot, but I’d never want to do everything over again on a fresh character. Hmm, I guess I misread that you can't transfer from an Aether world to a Primal world? Well, that makes it an easier decision for us then.
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Nov 3, 2018 01:10
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Whoops, double post. Quote =/= edit. 
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Nov 3, 2018 01:16
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Kanfy posted:If people start quitting in droves then something's gone awry in the gameplay aspect, and that's definitely where most of the complaints I've heard about have been aimed at when it comes to WoW's latest expansion. After that people will attach "...and the writing sucks too which is even more a reason to quit", but it'll always be a distant secondary concern. I quit WoW because of the story. Admittedly it was more of a 'oh look another straw to put on the camel's bac- OH MY GOD HOW MANY STRAWS HAVE I BEEN PUTTING ON THIS POOR THING OVER ALL THESE YEARS!?' sort of deal. All of the small little annoyances added up until I just couldn't get invested anymore. Lore is important for long-term investment. I'm invested in FFXIV's lore, ergo I still play the game
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Nov 3, 2018 01:31
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Captain Cappy posted:Not if you do single pulls the entire dungeon. They were legit worried they would ruin the run because they never tanked this before and started the dungeon by saying "If I screw up tanking too much I'll leave". It was like they started the dungeon with a panic attack in progress. Did you get partnered with me?
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Nov 3, 2018 02:35
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Thundarr posted:Has WoW done something new to chase it's players away? the payoff to the sylvanas being warchief over the past 2 expansions is basically garrosh 2.0 and from what i understand theyre gonna have arthas’ sister who is now a undead light zombie and looks like a human with glowy eyes replace her... and anduin essentially lets that happen because he’s gonna be indirectly in charge of the horde now too somehow.
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Nov 3, 2018 02:38
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Thundarr posted:Has WoW done something new to chase it's players away? They released an expansion edit: this is what i get for not making sure i was on the last page
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Nov 3, 2018 04:02
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Are there other MMOs with a good story like FF14?
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Nov 3, 2018 16:02
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No.
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Nov 3, 2018 16:20
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Ither posted:Are there other MMOs with a good story like FF14? Maybe the secret world, maybe. I didn't play much of it but I remember liking the writing.
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Nov 3, 2018 16:23
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The Secret World's dialogue and characterization are top tier. Gameplay and graphics felt a bit rough.
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Nov 3, 2018 16:26
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Ither posted:Are there other MMOs with a good story like FF14? The Old Republic, maybe, but that while going interesting places sometimes it's never quite on the level of KotOR2 in part because of the simplified dialogue choices can be distracting
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Nov 3, 2018 16:29
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I thought Secret World got shut down, but I guess it just went F2P, huh.
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Nov 3, 2018 16:31
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The Doomhammer posted:I thought Secret World got shut down, but I guess it just went F2P, huh. Actually I think you were right on both counts-- it got shut down then was brought back to be F2P
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Nov 3, 2018 16:33
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CYBEReris posted:The Old Republic, maybe, but that while going interesting places sometimes it's never quite on the level of KotOR2 in part because of the simplified dialogue choices can be distracting Some of the swtor class stories (agent, some of warrior) are genuinely quite good. The rest of the story, class and otherwise, I would rate as “good for an mmo” but not as good as most normal rpgs (and certainly much worse than a book or a film)
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Nov 3, 2018 17:21
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The Doomhammer posted:I thought Secret World got shut down, but I guess it just went F2P, huh. It went free to play, then they launched a version with a refined combat system. So there's two versions of it now, the refined combat system one is slowly getting new content.
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Nov 3, 2018 17:59
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Both TSW and TOR are good choices (not great choices but pretty much all you're getting) for story driven mmo's. I do recommend you grab a buddy and duo them. I also recommend TSW more then TOR. TSW: Go Illuminati or Templars. The Dragon try to be weird for the sake of weird and its more endearing on a second run through. TOR: Go Imperial Agent (either alignment) or Light sided Sith Warrior (also be a woman, it makes for a happier feeling with the other women in your team  ) for a good time. The first if you want a spy story set in a universe with loving space wizards ruining everything. The latter if you want a sort of "good cop in a bad empire" mixed with constantly suprising people with your convictions and restraint while also heaping scorn on others. The rest of the classes are fine stories but they lack just that bit extra that Agent and light sided warrior gets.
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Nov 3, 2018 19:24
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EponymousMrYar posted:I quit WoW because of the story. The point he’s making is you are in a vanishingly small minority of players, and he’s right. BFA sucks because they refuse to do basic solutions to problems they solved in the first expansion. RNG with no sanity checks in the form of currency gear and no decent crafted gear, plus a limited roll armor piece with some sadistic design choices is why people are stopping playing BFA, not the story. The story is pretty standard for Warcraft in general, and if you think this is a step down then you have some thick rear end rose tinted glasses that hid all the dragon rape.
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Nov 3, 2018 20:58
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On the flipside, at least you'll be able to slam your head into the brick wall that is WoW Classic eventually.
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Nov 3, 2018 21:03
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 I'm going to finish this loving Midan caster glam if it's the last thing I do, god drat it.
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Nov 3, 2018 21:29
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Cabbit posted:
Use Party Finder, not Duty Finder.
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Nov 3, 2018 21:32
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ImpAtom posted:Use Party Finder, not Duty Finder. You don't pay his sub.
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Nov 3, 2018 21:36
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faptown posted:You don't pay his sub. I'm a they, not a he.  Also there's nobody in the party finder doing Alexander, and I'm okay with sitting in a queue and watching videos while waiting for it to pop (which it finally did).
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Thyrork posted:The first if you want a spy story set in a universe with loving space wizards ruining everything. It's a great story because it's from the POV of the middle-management military/bureaucracy of a society whose founding government principle is "the elite ruling class should be a bunch of evil wizards who stab each other in the back constantly". Now I want to reinstall
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