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Drunk Beekeeper posted:Force touch the lock screen and the planet swirls around and stuff. Dynamic wallpaper is the floating bubble type thing they have as an option. Have the new phones gotten other ones than that?
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rio posted:Dynamic wallpaper is the floating bubble type thing they have as an option. Have the new phones gotten other ones than that? The OLED ones get HDR floating bubbles on a back background that look amazing. 
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The bubble wallpapers have bothered me since I noticed they were upscaled and sort of blurry. I guess they have to do that on a live wallpaper cause it'd be impossible to playback smoothly at that resolution without burning up the phone. It could just look so much crisper on this display!
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When I upgraded my SE to the latest version it changed my static picture to dynamic and put it off-center. So changing it back to static just leaves it off-center and I have to re-download the picture again to fix it. Kinda silly. Also the stock wallpapers suck and I am disappointed there haven't really been better ones.
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The new version of Shortcuts is a buggy piece of poo poo. My shortcuts that worked perfectly fine are now randomly breaking (“cannot be run in this environment”). I really do mean randomly. I can sit here and trigger it and watch it error out, but then if I try again later it suddenly works. The update made Siri sound like a beep boop robot and ugh.
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TraderStav posted:Each kid should have their own Apple ID. Works fantastic in my house. Family Sharing and individual accounts is the only intelligent solution.
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Why isn't Shortcuts an app that comes with? Seems weird that I had to download it
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I'm waiting for the feature to be able to add shortcuts directly to the activities panel. My "gently caress the youtube app and also gently caress the youtube website" shortcut works awesome but it's a lot of steps to actually get the video playing.
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dissss posted:Can you explain what you mean here? Sure. Displays are so good at this point that many people who would otherwise want an expensive, premium phone, may not want to drop 200 extra bucks on the OLED. I guess that sounds obvious on its face, but it's not really something that you see much. All of the super-premium Android phones that I'm aware of rock OLED as a standard. Apple is the first to offer a phone that is essentially top-end, but explicitly with an LED panel. This is a key point about the XR that still confuses people, particularly those who thought that the XR was going to be, or should be, a budget phone. But in my mind, that misses the point. The XR is a premium phone. It just represents a new fork in the high end, which is phones that retain all or most of the top shelf features but make concessions on the panel specifically. A ton of people can't tell the difference or don't care about something like OLED, but they're still essentially premium-end customers who are willing to buy a premium device. It's a subtle point, to be sure, but I think it's an important distinction that doesn't get mentioned as much as it should. Taima fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Nov 2, 2018 |
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Taima posted:Sure. I just received my new XR yesterday, and maybe it’s because I don’t know what I’m missing via the OLED screen, but this screen looks pretty drat impressive to me. I’m coming from the Nexus 6p, and I know that this is a lesser resolution, but I simply don’t seem to care. Looks fine enough to me, but I understand those who would pay a premium for a better one.
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Yeah. I mean don't get it twisted, the XS screen is ludicrously good. Like borderline perfect, really. But you're not going to miss what you haven't seen, and tons of people who HAVE seen it are still going to be like "ok whatever, that's not worth it/ I can't tell" etc.
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Taima posted:Sure. The trouble is it is every bit as expensive as the previous high end models anyway - all Apple is doing is charging the same for a compromised product.
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dissss posted:The trouble is it is every bit as expensive as the previous high end models anyway - all Apple is doing is charging the same for a compromised product. How exactly is it compromised?
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Proteus Jones posted:How exactly is it compromised? By having a lower quality screen. Same as if the camera was worse, or it had a slower SOC or whatever. Whether or not that particular compromise is worth it is up to you.
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Are you talking OLED v. LED or do you mean 8plus DPI v. Xr DPI? Because other than the screen, no 3D Touch, and the single (still very fast) wide-angle lens, the Xr is identical internally to the XS. I’d say the price differential between the Xr and XS reflects that. There’s nothing in the Xr that says “budget-tier”.
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It's also worth noting that Apple takes a bath on OLED due to being forced to source from Samsung
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Taima posted:It's also worth noting that Apple takes a bath on OLED due to being forced to source from Samsung I thought they had a secondary source now and were 50/50 on orders.
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dissss posted:By having a lower quality screen. Same as if the camera was worse, or it had a slower SOC or whatever. The XR is a replacement for the 8. It's better than what it replaced. The XS is a replacement for the X. It's better than what it replaced. It's not "compromised", it's just a different tier. You can buy your way into the premium tier or just buy the regular phone.
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Can't believe Toyota would put out a Corolla, a compromised Lexus sedan.
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Proteus Jones posted:I thought they had a secondary source now and were 50/50 on orders. There were indications of an LG partnership earlier but afaik Samsung produced most or all of the XS panels. If LG can get on Samsung's level in terms of panel quality, then that could change next year.
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FCKGW posted:Can't believe Toyota would put out a Corolla, a compromised Lexus sedan. That's not a great comparison but ok
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The XR is this year’s mainstream phone, much like the 8 was last year. The LCD screen in the iPhone has always been of good quality, and the XR doesn’t appear to be any different in that regard. I don’t know why this is being discussed like some incomprehensible weird thing.
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An 800$ phone is not mainstream by any reasonable definition
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In Apple world it is.
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xzzy posted:In Apple world it is. a $5,000 watch is mainstream because it’s mainstream in “Omega Watch World” Got it. Good point. Insightful
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You can call it the ‘standard’ model if that makes you feel better.
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Taima posted:An 800$ phone is not mainstream by any reasonable definition It's $749 and the iPhone is the best selling consumer product in history so uh, it's the textbook definition of mainstream?
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Taima posted:That's not a great comparison but ok Fair, but the Camry is more than fair. Taima posted:An 800$ phone is not mainstream by any reasonable definition Name another product that you use as much, is as vital to your life and is replaced as often with reasonable depreciation as an iPhone. $800 over what, likely two years at a minimum? At 0% interest? That's like saying a cup of coffee a day at the gas station is being super bougie.
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The rule is that if your aunts or in-laws use a given piece of technology, It Is Mainstream.
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$800 - $1000 every two years (or more) for your primary computing and communication device is a total bargain. Things I will no longer own, likely forever, because I have a smart phone: - a laptop or PC newer than 5 years old. Complicated spreadsheets aren't great on a smartphone - a GPS unit for my car - a nice camera for taking pictures of my kids - a nice video camera - a landline telephone - an external hard drive - an MP3 player I'm sure there's more but this is what I could think of in two minutes.
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Sock The Great posted:Things I will no longer own, likely forever, because I have a smart phone: - what does a newer than 5 year old PC do that your smartphone replaces? if you don't play game or use the PC for workstation-type tasks, you still wouldn't need a modern one, smartphone or not - ok - phone cameras are still worse than dedicated still cameras - phone cameras are still worse than dedicated video cameras - you don't need a smartphone to replace a landline - oh gently caress off you are not using your iPhone as a USB storage device for loose files or archival storage or bulk media or what have you, you are not casually tossing your iphone to your buddy to copy over linux ISOs or whatever - ok I get that people really need to justify their purchases to themselves and they really like their smartphone and I see nothing wrong with spending however much you drat well please on your pocket computer but - sorry for picking on you you're definitely not the only one online to make the argument - stop trying to say with a straight face that you'd go back to landlines without smartphones or pretending like you carried a dedicated video camera with you pre-2007. BUT MUH PRIMARY COMPUTING DEVICE is such a tired argument. It's a new class of product, one that people want, sure. Also don't pretend like the 12 year old using iPhone for Snapchat and 70 year old FaceTiming her granddaughter would instead be buying a dedicated high-end desktop PC for the same purpose. edit: The argument also hinges on the assumption that miniaturization and compute power increases would continue unabated at pre-smartphone levels indefinitely. In alternate 2018 without smartphones existing, you would not be buying a new point and shoot every 2 years, you'd buy one and keep it for as long as it worked like people did with film cameras since the tech is no longer constantly evolving. You would not be buying a new PMP every 2 years, you'd buy one and keep it for as long as it worked since the tech is no longer constantly evolving. You would not be buying a new home PC for your Internet tasks every 2 years, you'd buy one and keep it for 8+ years as the tech is no longer constantly evolving, etc. *Wanting* the pocketable super-gadget of the 21st century doesn't mean that a financial argument makes much sense, you'd still do all the same stuff within the same budget, just differently. Pivo fucked around with this message at 13:02 on Nov 3, 2018 |
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…also, none of those remaining points require a $800–1000 smartphone. The exact same points were covered by my trusty old SE W880i (which, coincidentally, still offers some substantial benefits over the current crop of smartphones). An improvement in integration and ease of use has happened, but let's not kid ourselves over what smartphones — irrespective of purchase price — have actually added to the equation.
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Pivo posted:- what does a newer than 5 year old PC do that your smartphone replaces? if you don't play game or use the PC for workstation-type tasks, you still wouldn't need a modern one, smartphone or not Well said. I'm always irritated at that argument that is only used to justify spending. Don't delude yourselves, you bought it because it's shiny and flashy.
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Why would sourcing the panels from Samsung make a difference? They’re just another supplier, same as for the rest of the parts.
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Sri.Theo posted:Why would sourcing the panels from Samsung make a difference? They’re just another supplier, same as for the rest of the parts. No, there is a significant quality difference. OLED panels are not interchangeable commodity parts. Apple invested heavily in LG to spin up more mobile OLED manufacturing but they are having difficulties matching Samsung's quality. They are currently the gold standard for good reason. Think of the lithography process when manufacturing CPUs and other high performance ICs. Billions of dollars are poured into R&D and there are only a few market leaders. OLED manufacturing is similar in that the process is costly, difficult, proprietary and the ability to execute at a certain price point and level of quality is the main differentiator of manufacturers.
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This discussion has weirdly shifted from an “is” to an “ought” argument and some of you are taking people’s spending priorities really personally. It started with whether the XR is aimed at everybody (compared to the XS). The XR is definitely intended to be the Face ID edge to edge phone for everybody. $800, that’s a lot! you say. Yeah, it sure is. But Apple doesn’t stop selling iPhones after a year (most of the time). The 7 is still on sale. The XR is going to stick around and march down the price points. Like the 5C, it’s taking the place of the premium phone from the previous year, but unlike the 5C it’s not compromised on internals. That means it’ll last longer and be a better deal for longer. I think smartphone buying habits are changing. I think fewer and fewer people are upgrading on the two year cycle. I think Apple thinks this too which is why they devoted a bunch of stage time at the iPhone event to the environmental lady saying they are trying to let us to use our devices for longer and why they targeted the 6S when developing iOS 12. It’s part of why they are pushing into services. They want you to buy their expensive things, use them for a long time, and pay into their various device ecosystems as a loyal monthly customer. And I think it informs the way they designed the XR. doingitwrong fucked around with this message at 14:27 on Nov 3, 2018 |
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doingitwrong posted:I think Apple thinks this too which is why they devoted a bunch of stage time at the iPhone event to the environmental lady saying they are trying to let us to use our devices for longer and why they targeted the 6S when developing iOS 12. It’s part of why they are pushing into services. They want you to buy their expensive things, use them for a long time, and pay into their various device ecosystems as a loyal monthly customer. And I think it informs the way they designed the XR. They also introduced the vintage repair program and dropped unit sales from earnings reports going forward which is a pretty clear indicator they expect unit sales to go down as a result of these efforts (combined with the natural maturation of the market I assume).
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Taima posted:It's also worth noting that Apple takes a bath on OLED due to being forced to source from Samsung Sure Samsung makes the best quality screens, but that’s a very different statement to the above. I’ve just seen this idea a couple of times but haven’t seen anything to indicate that Samsung’s screen manufacturing division doesn’t have a perfectly normal supplier/purchaser relationship with a major customer.
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Sri.Theo posted:Sure Samsung makes the best quality screens, but that’s a very different statement to the above. I’ve just seen this idea a couple of times but haven’t seen anything to indicate that Samsung’s screen manufacturing division doesn’t have a perfectly normal supplier/purchaser relationship with a major customer.
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“Hi! We do huge volume and have buckets of money and a history of investing in companies to get them up to capacity, which will become your competitors. Want to shave that down a little?” e: There’s a lot of negotiating power on both sides of that table, is what I’m saying.
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