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I'm a bit wiped out from all this, so it's going to take some time to try to summarize either the procedure for unlocking the secret, or the plot, as we now understand it. I'm happy to do either. Which would folks like me to tackle first?
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I've already linked a fairly comprehensive Steam guide on the secret upthread.
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Discendo Vox posted:I'm a bit wiped out from all this, so it's going to take some time to try to summarize either the procedure for unlocking the secret, or the plot, as we now understand it. I'm happy to do either. Which would folks like me to tackle first? Go for the plot, Vox. Also my guess about the true ending is that Bain used the mind control device from the Biker Heist to upload himself to the presidents body. That McGuffin never acme up again, so it's a use for it.
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Vlad is the key to all of this, cause he's a funnier character than any of the contractors we've had in this game edit: how about those weird .stream files hoxtalicious found? those seem to implicate a third ending, with aliens? or maybe it's audio from some GTFO gameplay? spit on my clit fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Nov 5, 2018 |
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Kikas posted:Go for the plot, Vox. Actually the crew used the Ark of the Watcher - which is what you find and activate using the Mayan gold from First World Bank after doing the puzzles under the White House - to reincarnate Bain as the President. It is speculated that the Dentist was trying to do the same (and has been doing so for centuries, explaining why he is immortal and such a mysterious character), which is why the President was killed/sacrificed in an air crash. Further evidence that Bain is in the President's body comes from how he says 'Let's do this!' - a common catchphrase of Bain's - at the end of the 'true ending' video that is unlocked after you do the secret.
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 This explanation spoils absolutely everything in payday 2, so tread lightly! OK, a lot of what follows is tentative as we continue to reason out and tie up loose ends. Apologies for the giant spoiler text to come. Many parts are still being worked out, italicized sections are especially unclear. This is going to be a mindfuck, but I promise, I'm not making it up. Ancient History There was an ancient, alien civilization on earth called the "watchers" or "giants". They lived deep under the earth. The watchers had supernatural super-tech, the sort of thing that could make you invincible or let you live forever, or change forms, etc. It's indicated that there were four watcher "sites of power": 1. The Pyramid of Cheops, in Egypt (influencing ancient Egypt) 2. The Pyramid of the Sun, in Mexico (influencing the Aztecs and Mayans, who overkill is crappy at keeping distinct). 3. The Ziggurat of Ur, in Iraq (influencing ancient Sumeria) 4. The Dream Temple, in the south pacific. (influencing no one, because it was under the ocean. The location matches that of Lovecraft's R'lyeh, and it's implied watcher society was kinda Lovecraftian, but the devs have confirmed it's just a style influence) We do not know the exact contents of these locations. There are references to "portals" appearing at the sites of power. It's not clear if they were the same, or specialized, or what. It appears that at least some of the tech involved with these sites can be removed from them and used elsewhere. Paintings show people (presumably either the kings or other Kataru agents) exploring ancient Watcher sites and excavating ruins in Egypt and elsewhere. The paintings also show the discovery of giant, humanoid corpses, including one frozen in ice (Again, more on those later). It's unclear whether the watcher technology was originally given to, or discovered by, human beings, but three ancient rulers (implied to be a pharaoh, a sumerian king, and either Caesar or a mesoamerican king) created a pact to share in the benefits of the technology. The organization they created was called "Kataru". The three kings basically shaped and controlled the course of history with these artifacts, and they appeared to gain supernatural powers. Confusingly, each king also had a "watcher", who was some sort of human agent or assistant who helped manage things. The watchers appear to have been mortals, although they may have also had some supernatural powers. The three ancient kings were 1. The Healer King 2. The Elephant King 3. The Scribe King You may note there were four sites of power and three rulers. Supposedly, the kings also appointed a "Regent" to manage the fourth site (presumably the Dream Temple). The exact role of the sites of power, and the role of the Regent, is unclear. There are also references to three "stars", which while also unclear, appear to refer to three meteors that landed on earth at different times and were somehow used by either the Kings or their Watchers for...something. One of these is The Diamond, which may have been associated with the Dentist. The Diamond fell to earth centuries BC in Mongolia and first entered published history because it was held by Genghis Khan. The Healer King appears to have stalked the Diamond throughout history, either guarding it, or cursing the people who used it (he never seems to have personally pulled the trigger on them, though). One possibility is that the different owners of the Diamond were people the Healer used as his Watcher, but that's unclear. Given that these include Genghis Khan, Marie Antoinette and Hitler, and given that most of these people wind up dying really horrible deaths, I think we're getting a pretty good idea of what sort of person the Healer King is. There are references to other Stars and gems in various places, but we are still trying to make sense of all this. (It appears likely that for much of payday 2's development, the Diamond was going to be the only ancient macguffin we'd be dealing with, but this changed over time as support kept being extended). The Kataru Breakup At some point before or around 1792, the Scribe King wrote a book, possibly a prophetic one. Whatever he wrote, it drove him insane and he disappeared or went into hiding. We believe that this was in 1792, and that a real historic figure named Cagliostro, his watcher at the time, had his name put in the book. Cagliostro helped write some of the pages, and a handful of others were written by the Healer King's Watcher, Baldwin. Cagliostro was also rumored to be involved with the theft of (what is, ingame) The Diamond from Marie Antoinette. In any case, the other kings responded to the Scribe's disappearance by having a Regent fill in for him. It is unclear if this Regent was the same one that was already handling the fourth site of power, or what. At this point, in Washington, DC, there was a fifth Kataru site: something called the "Ark of the Watcher". It is unclear whether this site was always here, or if it consists of materials and technology that Kataru took from the other sites of power and placed in DC. The Ark is physically located below the Benevolent Bank, but is apparently only accessible through the White House. In it was a device powered by gold that appears to let the user change their physical form and be reborn, possibly with other powers. The Ark was clearly a place of great importance to the Kataru, and the source of their greatest power. In 1814, during the British sacking of DC, Baldwin decided that now was the perfect time to make a play for ultimate power and seize the Ark. Baldwin stole gold from the treasury and somehow got into the Ark itself, attempting to use it. The gold, though, is impure, and the attempt went...badly. Baldwin died horribly and the white house was destroyed by a gigantic shadow monster (referred to by some sources as a "Nephilim," or, to further confuse things, a "giant"). These beings are the same as the giant corpses discovered by Kataru workers in the paintings. We don't know what they are, beyond the fact that there are at least three of them and they are terrifying. It's unclear whether these shadow creatures are controlled by anyone or not, but the devs have also referred to them as "guardians". In any case, with one king MIA, DC in flames and a massive security breach, the alliance began to crumble and the remaining kings became paranoid. They sealed the Ark back up. They also took the key to the Ark, an object they called "Baldwin's Lament", into three sets of parts, which were then sealed in three "coffers", with one going to each King, and one going to the Regent standing in for the Scribe. Kataru was disbanded, but things would keep getting worse. In 1900, the Brooklyn Bank is founded. Laid within the foundation is a locked box containing the "Medallion of the Perseids", a device with a gem that appears to be one of the "stars" used by Kataru. The medallion is a key (probably not the only key) that can be used to open the coffers. It appears likely that the Medallion belonged to the Elephant King and he hid it there, but this is a very uncertain guess. By 1905, the Regent standing in for the Scribe was a man named Lindenhurst, and he was deeply upset. In a letter to a friend, he wrote that the "kings are bickering and the watchers are gone", and that he strongly suspects someone in the remnants of the alliance was planning to kill everyone else and seize total control. In what appears to have been an attempt to keep this from happening, he removes the contents of his coffer and, taking them with him, buys passage on a ship, the confusingly named "RMS Baldwin" His destination is the Dream Temple, but his ship is "diverted", and it, and he, are lost in the Antarctic and he is killed by a Nephilim while attempting to flee. His part of the Lament remains undiscovered, but the coffer falls into the hands of the Healer King. The Elephant's Rise A lot of seemingly disconnected events happen in a very short period of time, and we don't really know the root cause, but it appears the Elephant King successfully divested the Healer King of much of his power. In 1940, the Nestor gang attempted to rob the Benevolent Bank, seemingly at the Healer's behest...but they failed, and die. In 1945, Hitler committed suicide in his bunker, holding the Diamond, while the Healer King looked on...but something went wrong. The diamond disappeared, lost. As the war ended, the Golden Grin casino began construction, "built on mob money", and containing the Healer King's coffer, which he did not part with willingly. In 1948 the Brooklyn Bank folds and stands abandoned. In 1968, the Diamond is recovered from the wreck of the Andrea Doria (where it was held by the corpse of another, much older, diver). It is presented to "Senator McKendrick", who appears to be the Elephant King's current watcher, and placed in the McKendrick Museum. The Healer King, also known as the Dentist, has lost his coffer and (if we are correct about it) his Star. Kataru Strikes Back The Dentist becomes a legendary, mysterious figure in the criminal underworld, continuing to periodically send criminals to rob the Benevolent Bank. He uses his underworld connections to create a mercenary company, "Murkywater", which furthers his position and becomes a front for a new Kataru of sorts, one entirely under his control. In 1977 the Beltway Bunch, another promising DC gang, attempt to rob the Benevolent Bank. When they, too, die, their leader curses "the dentist", telling him to "go back to hell". At this point (if all of our theories are correct, this is pretty conjectural): The Scribe King is missing, and insane. His coffer is in the hands of the Dentist. His star is unknown, and he likely has no watcher. The Elephant is posing as a minor DC assemblyman. He has a lot of government pull, and has set up a variety of banks and museums to watch over his possessions. He holds his own coffer, and probably the Dentist's as well (if he owns the Golden Grin). His star is in an abandoned bank's foundations, somewhere nobody else knows, and his current watcher, Bob McKendrick, is incompetent, but compliant. He appears to have no idea that the Dentist still has any power, and is mostly interested in gradually climbing to power through underhanded politics, mostly to lay claim to the white house. The Dentist has assembled a massive private army through Murkywater. It is commanded by his new Watcher, a japanese orphan named Kento who he has apparently raised from infanthood for the role. Murkywater have begun excavating and raiding other Watcher sites, collecting artifacts and the corpses of the nephilim, which they begin experimenting on to create bioweapons. He has also assembled a far-reaching shadow network of political and criminal contacts. The Dentist has lost his star and coffer, but he knows exactly where they are. He has the Scribe's coffer, which he thinks is full. He just needs someone not affiliated with Murkywater to steal what he needs, someone who can pass his initial test of hitting the Benevolent Bank... And then the Payday Gang rob First World Bank as their first ever job, stumbling upon a secret vault filled with Mayan gold that was intended for use in the Ark (probably gold held by the Elephant). TO BE CONTINUED oh god this is how many pages Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 21:58 on Nov 5, 2018 |
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Nov 5, 2018 21:31
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How the hell did any of that get explained to the player in this game about drilling safes and shooting cop-adjacent individuals
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Gort posted:How the hell did any of that get explained to the player in this game about drilling safes and shooting cop-adjacent individuals
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Nov 5, 2018 21:48
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"Hmm, yes, I see" I say as I go back to whacking mobsters with a bundle of cash while wearing a neon pink and blue santa mask
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I see we've reached Call of Duty Zombies level of storytelling.
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I'm actually not going to vomit another plot post after this because payday the heist's canon is now...weird, and payday 2 would require another post of almost equal length. Vlad's implied to be the Scribe King, He and the Elephant wind up supporting us, Kento dies because there was no time to resolve him well, Bain ascends to become a..King? Watcher? something? There's a side-bit with a Nephilim-derived virus that temporarily makes you superpowered, but kills you- that's why Bain killed so many people with his bare hands on Hell's Island. Oh, and the Tiara from Ukrainian Job may be the third star. I am under no illusions that any of this is well-written or explained. About 80-95% of it was delivered in the last year or so, most of it in heist briefings and safehouse lines from Duke. The thing to bear in mind is that payday 2 was a Games as Service model game that just kept getting extended. While the original gameplan apparently always involved the supernatural, it was all much simpler. I believe that in the original endgame: 1. There was no Kataru, 2. The Elephant was the shadowy government badguy 3. The only plot macguffin was The Diamond, 4. The final heist was still the white house, with the big secret underneath, but it was probably as simple as "insert diamond and gold, solve puzzle, pull switch" But then they kept getting support extensions, and Giancarlo Esposito became available,and they kept getting tie-in opportunities made them rewrite contracts that used to involve hitting murkywater on behalf of the elephant, and then Simon Viklund left the studio so they had to pay him for VA work, and then their WW2 game was a failure, and then they wanted to end the plot before OTWD hit....The team had been through maybe 4 writers, and also went for about a year without one. To make things worse, one of the writers (idk which one) inserted a ton of plotlines and backstory for individual characters that is completely disassociated from the plotline, for no clear reason (that may not be that writer's fault, I don't know the circumstances). With the game finally ending support, they brought in a writer with the online tag "Wordsmith" who gamely (and, under the circumstances, remarkably effectively) tied off 99% of the loose ends with a fraction of the time and resources he'd really need. AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:Yeah seriously, next Vox will tell us that there is no cop dimension that all these pigs come from. The Elemental Plane of Cops is canon, thanks to maswastaken winning an earlier secret contest and getting the Rhubarb mask ingame. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 22:18 on Nov 5, 2018 |
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Discendo Vox posted:The Elemental Plane of Cops is canon, thanks to maswastaken winning an earlier secret contest and getting the Rhubarb mask ingame.
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UnknownMercenary posted:I see we've reached Call of Duty Zombies level of storytelling. Seriously. No offense to Vox but this is pants-on-head stupid and I'm glad that it's almost completely ignorable. It reads like a rogue fanfic writer crawled up his own rear end.
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Tempest_56 posted:Seriously. I entirely agree! The root causes are as follows: 1. Bo Andersson, head of Starbreeze, has wanted to do some sort of supernatural escalation thing since payday the heist. That part in particular was always the plan, and I suspect a lot of the other crazy ancient aliens stuff is also at Bo's request. Wordsmith specifically mentioned that the artifact on Shadow Raid was Sumerian on purpose for endgame plot reasons. 2. They kept pushing the endgame back and introducing new characters to the main plot, so most of the original endgame stuff had to be reworked or ignored. 3. The writer before Wordsmith was ordered/allowed to create huge these tangential backstories for all of the characters, including the entire Kento thing. 4. Wordsmith's solution, to pull more things into the Kataru plot, helps resolve things for diehard plotlords who know all of the weird minutia, but it also makes it even dumber for sane people looking in from outside. Even with all the assumptions and gap-filling I did in that big post, there's a roughly 30 point list of big plotholes introduced and not really resolved. Believe me, I'm pretty crushed by it all. I was really in it for the puzzles, and the entire thing boiled down to a single giant randomized combination code lock that a streamer brute-forced with his fans. It's pretty clear that it was designed to be brute-forced, too. And the riddles and requirements for it are all absolute trash. The entire Guide of Bain is basically used for a random image reference that does nothing, and for two of thirteen five-letter riddle answers. Without getting into the details, almost the entire secret completion is luck-based. I was "World First"  into the secret area, and it was ultimately not because of any knowledge on my part, but dumb luck. After six years of shoveling this into my head looking for patterns, that's a real kick in the teeth.
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Is the loot we steal actually cop eggs and we are secretly running a disastrously failing pest control business, with more valuable loot actually being denser egg clutches?
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Discendo Vox posted:Believe me, I'm pretty crushed by it all. I was really in it for the puzzles, and the entire thing boiled down to a single giant randomized combination code lock that a streamer brute-forced with his fans. It's pretty clear that it was designed to be brute-forced, too. And the riddles and requirements for it are all absolute trash. The entire Guide of Bain is basically used for a random image reference that does nothing, and for two of thirteen five-letter riddle answers. Yeah this is where I'm at. Not that Overkill has a great track record with ARG stuff, but I wasn't expecting the Secret to be added and then solved within 24 hours. And the process is convoluted, sure, but so largely transparent that it's just another achievement to go chase more than anything. There was entirely too much build-up and tons of unexplained oddities (to whit: what was the deal with the ancient king mask/helmet and the pillar in Biker Heist? the alchemical symbol on the axe?) left over, so either they shat the bed big time or there really is a third super secret ending to work towards.
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I wish that this secret was something on the scale of the first Overdrill and then scaled down for the plebs once it's broken. But I guess that Payday 2 was a much more popular game than The Heist, so even Overkill knew that with more people attempting to solve the secret, it would be brute forced or solved otherwise really fast. So they decided to design it in a way that's not as tiring, but still requires some prep work to pull off. And I respect that. It's obviously a shame that the long hinted Secret (seriously, we were pulling stuff we thought was related to that or some ARG since I've joined the thread in what, 2014?) isn't even half as complex as the original one, but I can appreciate that this time they decided to make it possible through something else than tedious drilling contained within one heist. There's a lot of prep to be done, but it involves actually playing the game and getting the achievements, not standing in a closet mindlessly shooting for two hours. Overall, well played in these circumstances.
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John Murdoch posted:Yeah this is where I'm at. Not that Overkill has a great track record with ARG stuff, but I wasn't expecting the Secret to be added and then solved within 24 hours. And the process is convoluted, sure, but so largely transparent that it's just another achievement to go chase more than anything. I think Biker heist, and Rust's background, was part of the period when they had the writer who would add new characters (like the mechanic) to everything, and a lot of plot threads were introduced for nothing. I also know the Biker heist was one of the heists that was scrambled because tie-in opportunities. I don't know the details, but Murky Station and its drone cameras were somehow related to the headset you steal on day 2. I think the train was originally planned to be a Murkywater transport, and days got cut, added and rearranged for several heists around that time.
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The coolest part of the secret was that when you completed it triggered a game update for hidden "DLC" to download itself in the form of the ending movies. I mean, the writing is about the level I expected given that they had about a year to tie all this poo poo up although I didn't expect it to go quite as supernatural as it did. Actually playing the secret sucked.
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Discendo Vox posted:I think Biker heist, and Rust's background, was part of the period when they had the writer who would add new characters (like the mechanic) to everything, and a lot of plot threads were introduced for nothing. I also know the Biker heist was one of the heists that was scrambled because tie-in opportunities. I don't know the details, but Murky Station and its drone cameras were somehow related to the headset you steal on day 2. I think the train was originally planned to be a Murkywater transport, and days got cut, added and rearranged for several heists around that time. I'm just talking about the inexplicable secret hook stuff. I wouldn't think them scrambling maps together would otherwise affect that. Or if anything, result in fewer hooks.
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Psion posted:At this point, I think it's important to remember how it all began. The fact that Kung Fu Hector never made it into the game is a drat travesty.
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UnknownMercenary posted:The coolest part of the secret was yeah that was pretty good. What I appreciate most is that they got to go out on their own terms, however weird and dumb this plotline has become, they got to end it. That's still far better than how so many long-running games end which is "so the studio ran out of money and we laid everyone off and sorry, bye." specifically, it was good they(ending / the secret spoilers) brught together a chunk of the cast one last time and made one last broke-dick piece of poo poo drill joke, the yacht name, and the butcher clobbering locke. All excellent nods to the fans. The "oh god we have too many heisters" ever-after text crawl was hit or miss, but I'm still glad they did it too. Lynx posted:The fact that Kung Fu Hector never made it into the game is a drat travesty. completely agreed 100% Psion fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Nov 5, 2018 |
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Psion posted:Did it earlier today. Well, that's a thing.
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After building him up throughout the game as a seemingly immortal, omnipotent figure, the Dentist's death was also distinctly underwhelming. For some reason he decides to confront the heisters alone and poorly armed, launches into a speech when they point their guns at him, and is promptly shot dead. I guess they ran out of money to pay Giancarlo Esposito.
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Wastrel_ posted:After building him up throughout the game as a seemingly immortal, omnipotent figure, the Dentist's death was also distinctly underwhelming. For some reason he decides to confront the heisters alone and poorly armed, launches into a speech when they point their guns at him, and is promptly shot dead. I guess they ran out of money to pay Giancarlo Esposito. it's not like showing up armed, armored, and high on coke helped hector any, confronting the paydudes is a bad idea pretty much full time
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Lynx posted:The fact that Kung Fu Hector never made it into the game is a drat travesty. We're working on it.
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Coolguye posted:it's not like showing up armed, armored, and high on coke helped hector any, confronting the paydudes is a bad idea pretty much full time Honestly, it makes perfect sense if you consider it to be sheer hubris. He likely doesn't expect any -real- loyalty out of the Payday Gang, and he did come armed and threaten to shoot Bain and Locke. He just underestimated how well Bain chose his associates.
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Liquid Communism posted:Honestly, it makes perfect sense if you consider it to be sheer hubris. He likely doesn't expect any -real- loyalty out of the Payday Gang, and he did come armed and threaten to shoot Bain and Locke. He just underestimated how well Bain chose his associates. Which is extremely dumb on his part, we didn't mow through his personal armed forces to rescue a guy we don't particularly care for.
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He's also a guy who has actually seen the Payday gang kill hundreds of heavily armed law enforcers in multiple heists at his behest. He probably also knows that the gang defeated literal demons to get to the Ark in the first place, which makes his decision to monologue in front of them all the sillier. Unless he was somehow unaware of his own mortality to common weapons, which is also dumb after they spent so much time building him up as this near-godlike being. Unless he's not actually dead and will be back for the next one, this is the part of the ending that sits least well with me.
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It wouldn't surprise me too much if the body of the Dentist the chyron mentions to have been discovered in the ending wasn't even his. Pre-planning is the Dentist's entire goddamn shtick. But I guess that's Super Secret Not-poo poo Ending territory and I know better than to pursue it - better to admit the finale just kinda sucked.
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Assuming that Bain transferred his consciousness into the body of the President, I assume that was the Dentist's original plan. And what he's been doing for years; his physical form dies but he keeps taking over new bodies.
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What I mean is either that wasn't him in the first place or - being that he's heavily implied not to be human - just got up, used the Ark and left some other schmuck in his place.
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Wastrel_ posted:He's also a guy who has actually seen the Payday gang kill hundreds of heavily armed law enforcers in multiple heists at his behest. He probably also knows that the gang defeated literal demons to get to the Ark in the first place, which makes his decision to monologue in front of them all the sillier. Unless he was somehow unaware of his own mortality to common weapons, which is also dumb after they spent so much time building him up as this near-godlike being. It's not that hard to believe he was put on his back foot when kidnapping Bain actually made our pursuit of the Ark et al more aggressive instead of just ending it. He shows up in person because he needs to use the Ark to become President before we do, and we've forced his hand by being there ourselves. It's not a great move but it's that or just let someone else cashes in his potentially centuries long scheme.
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RandallODim posted:It's not that hard to believe he was put on his back foot when kidnapping Bain actually made our pursuit of the Ark et al more aggressive instead of just ending it. He shows up in person because he needs to use the Ark to become President before we do, and we've forced his hand by being there ourselves. It's not a great move but it's that or just let someone else cashes in his potentially centuries long scheme. And that's pretty much what happens if you go for the Pardons.
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I get that he had to show up, but it would have made sense for him to show up with some backup, perhaps. I mean, he did control a huge private army. It would have been a dick move to have put a hard fight at the end of the secret, yes, so I guess the anticlimactic ending is still preferable. Also, still a better end than Kento who dies offscreen after an entire community event based around him. It's also not beyond the realm of possibility, again, that he survived in some form and will show up again in the next game. If Giancarlo Esposito is too expensive a hire, they can always get someone else and make up something about how he got a new body.
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Wastrel_ posted:I get that he had to show up, but it would have made sense for him to show up with some backup, perhaps. I mean, he did control a huge private army. It would have been a dick move to have put a hard fight at the end of the secret, yes, so I guess the anticlimactic ending is still preferable. Also, still a better end than Kento who dies offscreen after an entire community event based around him. Also, I don't think Payday 2 has... ever had a good boss fight. It's not the kind of game that really has them, at least not well. I think if they want boss fights, in Payday 3 they should design the systems around them.
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You don't remember that classic boss fight where he had an LMG and you shot him in the face a lot? Or the one where he had an LMG and you shot him in the face a lot? Or the one where she had an LMG and you shot her in the face a lot? What about the pair of automated MGs that either you hacked or shot in the lenses a lot? Finest moment in enemy design that one.
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