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Ghost Dog posted:well yeah and he didnt inherit that dude, he drafted him Flacco and Rice back to back worked out pretty drat well for us til the wheels fell off
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Nov 5, 2018 19:40
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The big failing that happened under Brian Billick was Kyle Boller. Billick thought he'd outsmarted everyone with this and it ended up hurting the franchise badly. Even still if we had signed Kurt Warner or even Kerry Collins in those days who knows? Those 03-05 Ravens could have gone a lot further. Most people predicted us to win the division in 04 before everyone knew just how bad Boller was. They were never as good in the Harbaugh days as they were in 2006 aside from the QB and RB position when Rice was good(which was actually a pretty short period if you look at it even for RBs). Them having good teams doesn't mean Harbaugh is any good. The 2001 Ravens would have been in the SB again if Jamal Lewis hadn't torn his ACL and maybe the Patriots/Brady never would've even been a thing if that had happened.
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Nov 5, 2018 20:01
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The odds of the Ravens getting someone better than Harbaugh are not so good. I agree that he probably needs to go, in the same way that Reid was done in Philly, but uh, good luck finding your Doug Pederson.
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Nov 5, 2018 20:11
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Head Coach Dean Pees
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:The odds of the Ravens getting someone better than Harbaugh are not so good. I agree that he probably needs to go, in the same way that Reid was done in Philly, but uh, good luck finding your Doug Pederson. This is about where I am at on it. as a whole head coaches are mostly either wild negatives, net neutral or like 3 of them are net positives. Harbaughs a fine middle manager and thats all most head coaches are. if you need to switch up who your middle manager is just cause of staleness or whatever thats fine, but its going to be rough if you dont find another who doesnt suck Kawalimus posted:The big failing that happened under Brian Billick was Kyle Boller. Billick thought he'd outsmarted everyone with this and it ended up hurting the franchise badly. Even still if we had signed Kurt Warner or even Kerry Collins in those days who knows? Those 03-05 Ravens could have gone a lot further. Most people predicted us to win the division in 04 before everyone knew just how bad Boller was.
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Nov 5, 2018 20:18
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Ravens ultimately never found someone to base an offense around after Ray Rice left. Flacco was never good enough to be one of the top tier QBs that can make bad receivers look competent. They have had decent backs but none of the caliber that you had to like specifically game plan against. The wideouts and TEs on the whole have been putrid. Some of it is coaching up young players to fill those roles but a lot of it is just mediocre drafting. To be fair I think they have picked in the top 10 like once this past decade
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Nov 5, 2018 20:26
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The Ravens struggles of late are mostly due to poor drafting. Quick name me an offensive player drafted by the Ravens in the last five years that was top 15 in their position.
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Nov 5, 2018 20:34
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A lot of it is that they don't really draft offense at the top of their drafts too often, and if they do it is almost always OL or TE. Perriman was the only WR they had taken above like round 4 since Torey Smith
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Nov 5, 2018 20:37
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GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:A lot of it is that they don't really draft offense at the top of their drafts too often, and if they do it is almost always OL or TE. Perriman was the only WR they had taken above like round 4 since Torey Smith You don't need a top 10 pick to hit on a WR or RB.
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Nov 5, 2018 20:38
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Yeah but it helps. Like they aren't picking them at all before the second half of the draft every year
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Nov 5, 2018 20:39
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The Ravens have always been awful at drafting wide receivers with the vague exception of Torrey Smith. It's one of those things that has to be an Ozzie Newsome issue because everyone else has changed since.
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Nov 5, 2018 20:41
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Jesus Christ. In the last four years they've drafted five tight ends, spending a 1st, 2nd, two 3rds and a 5th. Then they go and pickup other teams left overs at wideout and fail because Flacco is not good enough to make those kinda guys look good for a whole season. But I'm sure this is Harbaugh's fault.
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Nov 5, 2018 20:44
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Harbaugh has input into the draft so I mean, yeah some of it is unless they ignore him completely. There's a reason a bunch of people went apoplectic after they kept trading down this year to draft a 35 year old tight end who originally played professional baseball.
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Nov 5, 2018 20:48
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:Jesus Christ. Yeah, my point is it doesn't seem like they are really bad at talent evaluation and draft tons of busts or anything but that they have a really strange set of draft priorities compared to the rest of the NFL. Every team has its quirks, like the Bengals being completely adverse to drafting an LB higher than the third round, but it's weird as hell to see a team apply that to basically all offensive skill positions almost every year in the modern NFL.
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Nov 5, 2018 20:49
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The TE stuff is ridiculous I agree and is like those Jets teams where the fans were like 'WE WANT SAPP". Maxx Williams was supposed to have been good but the Hayden Hurst draft pick is maybe the most baffling of all. They are drafting like we still have a bunch of HOFers on the team but we don't. This team needs foundational players.
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Nov 5, 2018 20:51
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https://twitter.com/pauldehnerjr/status/1059533605729460224 Praise Allah
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Nov 5, 2018 20:59
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dr. marvin lewis is not a real doctor
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Nov 5, 2018 21:42
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:You don't need a top 10 pick to hit on a WR or RB. Yeah the Steelers have been consistently getting good skill position players at later picks. It's the high picked dbs/olbs they keep whiffing on lately. Although Watt the younger is starting to get good.
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That's what has defined the Steelers in the past two decades--the ability to draft and develop at the skill positions. I'm not sure any other team in the NFL comes close to their success.
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Nov 5, 2018 22:09
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Some teams just seem to have certain positions groups in their DNA. The Steelers seem to just fall rear end backwards into talented RBs and WRs, the Patriots always have a good linebacker or two, the Ravens always find good CBs and DBs.
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Nov 5, 2018 22:15
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Nov 5, 2018 22:58
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Bengals seem to hit good WR/DL talent and every other position is used to shore up special teams.
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Nov 5, 2018 22:58
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The two problems I see with the Ravens is that philosophically, they're still drafting for pre-2010 defenses as their top priority. The entire league is about offense 1st, pray you've invested enough in defense, where the Ravens are still the reverse. The other thing is that they clearly don't invest in top flight coordinators. If your HC isn't Belichick level, then you better have some bright coordinators. The Ravens' coordinators are afterthoughts, much like Flacco's skill position players.
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Nov 6, 2018 00:30
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i dont think thats particularly true, its just every single time they have a decent coordinator hes immediately poached for an hc job. they spent a lot on kubiak, even got a promise from he he wouldnt leave and then he immediately left(for his dream job of hcing where he started and no one was mad about it but it still was lovely luck). caldwell got to be our oc for like 1.5 seasons before a job, didnt even get a full calendar year of chuck pagano. on top of that, they had a pretty long track record of good DCs/defensive guys going on to be head coaches like marvin lewis, and then the last one in that line was rex ryan who just took the entire staff with him when he left, just up and robbed it all and suddenly its gregg mattison time
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Nov 6, 2018 00:42
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MY NIGGA D-LINK posted:The two problems I see with the Ravens is that philosophically, they're still drafting for pre-2010 defenses as their top priority. The entire league is about offense 1st, pray you've invested enough in defense, where the Ravens are still the reverse That's exactly right. They've taken the last minute offensive drives against them that have ruined seasons as a reason to over invest in defense instead of investing in an offense that can pull off those exact drives. At least the philosophy seemed to be reversed this past off-season so it's unlikely that Lamar Jackson will be burdened with as much dog poo poo talent as Flacco was.
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Nov 6, 2018 00:45
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Ghost Dog posted:i dont think thats particularly true, its just every single time they have a decent coordinator hes immediately poached for an hc job. they spent a lot on kubiak, even got a promise from he he wouldnt leave and then he immediately left(for his dream job of hcing where he started and no one was mad about it but it still was lovely luck). caldwell got to be our oc for like 1.5 seasons before a job, didnt even get a full calendar year of chuck pagano. Pre-2010, sure. Not really since. Kubiak may have been the only good OC Flacco has had in his entire career
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Nov 6, 2018 00:45
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the offensive scheme this year has probably been the best its ever been tbh. I think that has more to do with gregg roman than marty morningwheg but either way its been very well coached. Theyve done a pretty excellent job helping out with a dumpster fire at RT, shutting down von miller is basically a loving miracle considering james hurst was blocking him for an entire game. The line is atrocious this year and the fact that joe has had as much time as he has speaks wonders about the scheme. Theyve devoted a ton of chip blocks and misdirection to slowing down the pass rush for a qb who has never been good under pressure. Theyve done a better job of it this year than kubiak did, and they've done a similarly good job of generating play action looks without you know, having any run game at all to speak of. Are people that down on the wrs the ravens signed? the offense in general has taken a step back so I'm sure their numbers arent great but signing 3 talented wrs for under market contracts cause they came off down or injured years was a particularly good move. Its nearly impossible to get a #1 wr without drafting them so getting some talented dudes was a pretty big coup considering what the wr corps was set up to look like.
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Our WRs are good we are just regressing completely because teams are figuring us out and dunce-cap won't adjust. We have tried with good coordinators, we tried like crazy to keep Kubiak even but he wanted to head coach with the Broncos. We've had tons of good coordinators they just get poached. I consider the Kubiak year our best offense. If we had the WRs we have this year on that team that probably would've been a SB contender.
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what adjustments, specifically, do you think he should make. specifically. with specifics. Specific e: i just know someone else is going to answer this question cause someone else always does then kawalimus just copy pastes what they say over and over again for 3 years in a row
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Ghost Dog posted:what adjustments, specifically, do you think he should make. specifically. with specifics. Specific they should put the ball in the endzone op
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Ghost Dog posted:what adjustments, specifically, do you think he should make. specifically. with specifics. Specific I have no way of knowing exactly what they need to do but you mentioned something like teams figuring out how to make it so we can't rotate suggs out. That's one thing. Our pass rush has stopped working. And we need to get it working again. Our receivers seem to be getting covered better in particular John Brown and we need to work on getting him the production he was getting early on. Plus the running game has been in a funk since the very beginning with no production and fumbles etc. That needs to be worked on and at least improved to an adequate level. I'm not an inside football guy and I can't tell you in depth. But teams have figured out the Ravens and we are not getting it together. Since the 4th quarter of the Saints game we have been a bottom-10 team. And closing in on bottom 5. At no point during the Pittsburgh game did the Ravens ever really feel like they were in it. Despite having dominated the first matchup. This is a signal that the Steelers have adjusted. And the Ravens have stayed the same.
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Kawalimus posted:I have no way of knowing exactly what they need to do but you mentioned something like teams figuring out how to make it so we can't rotate suggs out. That's one thing. Our pass rush has stopped working. And we need to get it working again. Our receivers seem to be getting covered better in particular John Brown and we need to work on getting him the production he was getting early on. Plus the running game has been in a funk since the very beginning with no production and fumbles etc. That needs to be worked on and at least improved to an adequate level. i mean this is word salad dude, none of this is a thought its just garbage. Suggs need play better, wr covered is not an adjustment. how do you have so much confidence that there are obvious adjustments that must be made when the only ones you can think of are half remembered things i said? what do you even think is the problem. Wide Recievers Covered is not a problem scheme wise specifically, its a symptom of either bad wrs or bad scheme. You've identified it as a coaching problem. Explain what that is or shut up
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Nov 6, 2018 01:16
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Ghost Dog posted:i mean this is word salad dude, none of this is a thought its just garbage. Suggs need play better, wr covered is not an adjustment. I don't think the receivers are bad. So if they're not bad then why are they not getting as open? They need better routes. We know that John Brown and Crabtree aren't bad route runners. I don't know a lot about Snead. And even Chris Moore has shown some skill. I think this is the best set of receivers we've ever had. The coaches need to work on the scheme. If they think they don't need to then they ought to be sacked.
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That is not an argument and its not specific. Which routes do they need to run, which ones do they run now and which ones are they bad at? Do you actually think route combinations are just rock paper scissors and john harbaugh(who does not coach the offense) is just throwing rock over and over again? I'm not saying you have to know everything or really even anything about wr routes to be allowed to criticize the ravens coaches. I don't really know much at all tbh, but just banging your fist on the table screaming ADJUST with no specifics is some stupid poo poo and its grating as hell to read tbh.
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Nov 6, 2018 01:23
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Well Crabtree is tied for 1st in the league in dropped passes, and the Ravens as a whole are tied for 7th in the league with 12 (if you can trust a site just called "stats"). I'm not entirely enamored with the new and improved wide receivers. (My god the Jags have dropped every pass ever)
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You know I don't know those things. On TV it's hard to see what routes guys are running. That's why I used to like going to the games and sitting way high up. I could focus on whatever I wanted to see. I know more now than I did then so I could watch the receivers and even the offensive line blocking. But back then I just watched the QB and the ball like I would have if I was watching on TV.
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sharknado slashfic posted:Well Crabtree is tied for 1st in the league in dropped passes, and the Ravens as a whole are tied for 7th in the league with 12 (if you can trust a site just called "stats"). I'm not entirely enamored with the new and improved wide receivers. hes the best in the league at something and still you complain smh Kawalimus posted:You know I don't know those things. On TV it's hard to see what routes guys are running. That's why I used to like going to the games and sitting way high up. I could focus on whatever I wanted to see. I know more now than I did then so I could watch the receivers and even the offensive line blocking. But back then I just watched the QB and the ball like I would have if I was watching on TV. having no way of knowing information seems like a good reason to not have a strong opinion on what that information is
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"I don't know how to watch the things I'm bitching about, you know this"
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Kawalimus posted:They need better routes. Kawalimus posted:On TV it's hard to see what routes guys are running. 
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