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Fritz Coldcockin
Nov 7, 2005

Bob Mueller is about to become the least of your problems, Peepants.

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Heck Yes! Loam!
Nov 15, 2004

a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.

Blind Rasputin posted:

Pence would very much actually make America the Handmaids Tale. Without even blinking.

Does pence even blink?

Party Plane Jones
Jul 1, 2007

by Reene
Fun Shoe

CmdrRiker posted:

I am very sad that Stacey Abrams most likely lost the GA governor race.

It might go to runoff, surprisingly.

eke out
Feb 24, 2013



yeah of course they're a lie

quote:

There's a partisan divide — about six in 10 Democrats approve of Mueller's handling of the probe, compared to just two in 10 Republicans. Independents are divided, with 43 percent approving and 42 percent disapproving.

only independents are 43 percent favorable - but actually even less independents disapprove lol

eke out fucked around with this message at 16:48 on Nov 7, 2018

mdemone
Mar 14, 2001

I DEMAND AN INDICTMENT

How are u
May 19, 2005

by Azathoth
Y'all all better be praying to the god of your choosing satan that Trump strokes out sometime in the next 2 years.

HappyHippo
Nov 19, 2003
Do you have an Air Miles Card?

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:

the most obvious solution to this problem is to try to find an issue in the democrats' wheelhouse that tests well in such areas

like, i dunno. medicare for all. minimum wage hikes.

I agree. There's a lot of people in this forum who've been banging the message that it's impossible to convince Republicans to vote Democratic and that elections are all about turning out your side. That may work in the House and for the presidency, but frankly it isn't going to work in the Senate. Democrats are going to have to find a way to convince R voters in these rural states that the Republican party does not have their best interests at heart. It's not easy but there isn't much of a choice.

GATOS Y VATOS
Aug 22, 2002


Junior G-man posted:

GET

hosed

SCOTT

WALKER

Inferior Third Season
Jan 15, 2005

Ginette Reno posted:

Only in the sense that doing it could politically backfire by firing up Democrat voters and make the 2022 mid terms a headache for Republicans.

But he might decide trying to steal another seat is worth the effort.
If stealing SCOTUS seats fired up Democratic voters, Trump wouldn't be President today. If anything, it fired up the Republican voters who saw that they could actually pull it off.

Fritz Coldcockin
Nov 7, 2005

HappyHippo posted:

I agree. There's a lot of people in this forum who've been banging the message that it's impossible to convince Republicans to vote Democratic and that elections are all about turning out your side. That may work in the House and for the presidency, but frankly it isn't going to work in the Senate. Democrats are going to have to find a way to convince R voters in these rural states that the Republican party does not have their best interests at heart. It's not easy but there isn't much of a choice.

We obviously convinced some of them, otherwise Sherrod Brown wouldn't have won in Ohio while Mike DeWine won the governorship.

funeral home DJ
Apr 21, 2003


Pillbug

evilweasel posted:

he probably isn't...but i can easily see roy moore making another run at it

If Dems are gaining by running progressively left, I can see Roy Moore winning by running a pro-pedophilia anti-women’s suffrage campaign.

The voting results will show that 65% of white women voted for him because The South.

Edit:

Fritz Coldcockin posted:

Karen Handel just went down in the GA-06, not sure if anyone beat me to that.

Good. She was a scumbag who got in there only because Kemp openly cheated to get her in.

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

Incredible machine
:smug:


So can a Democratic House do anything meaningful to protect the Mueller investigation or is that something that only the Senate could do?

Koalas March
May 21, 2007



fishing with the fam posted:

So is the NPC av the new corn av?

NPC is a dehumanizing alt right meme. So I'd be suspect of whoever is buying them tbh

big boi
Jun 11, 2007

my bony fealty posted:

If you don't like PPJ tweet dumps just scroll past them lol

Yeah the problem is that they're obnoxiously long and take an obnoxiously long time to scroll past and I can't ignore him

CascadeBeta
Feb 14, 2009

by Cyrano4747

eke out posted:

yeah of course they're a lie


only independents are 43 percent favorable - but actually even more independents disapprove lol

I mean my now independent Co worker who hates trump disapproves of Mueller because she wants Trump in jail already.

Crow Jane
Oct 18, 2012

nothin' wrong with a lady drinkin' alone in her room

How are u posted:

Y'all all better be praying to the god of your choosing satan that Trump strokes out sometime in the next 2 years.

Lol if you haven't started every morning since 2015 with that prayer

Harik
Sep 9, 2001

From the hard streets of Moscow
First dog to touch the stars


Plaster Town Cop

evilweasel posted:

Yeah this is why as much as i hated red state democratic senators, we badly needed them: 2020 is a huge inflection point and stuff like voting rights reform and PR/DC statehood are so directly tied to the viability of the Democratic party that they'd probably support those and no Republican, however 'moderate' will. If Tester and Sinema can pull out wins despite being slightly down in the count right now (I have little hope for a Nelson recount but Tester and Sinema aren't dead yet), it might be possible to do this: I think we can swing 52-48. I don't know we can swing 54-46.
red-state senators are awful and that's why their hold is so tenuous. Trying to stay elected as republican-lite when there's an honest-to-god real republican running against you is an uphill battle. Nobody voting for republicans is going to be fooled by that, and none of the poo poo they watch treats you as anything other than a soviet socialist stooge. Embrace it.

It's worth trying in some of the nearly-empty states. Won't cost that much and it's not like there's anything to lose.

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007

HappyHippo posted:

I agree. There's a lot of people in this forum who've been banging the message that it's impossible to convince Republicans to vote Democratic and that elections are all about turning out your side. That may work in the House and for the presidency, but frankly it isn't going to work in the Senate. Democrats are going to have to find a way to convince R voters in these rural states that the Republican party does not have their best interests at heart. It's not easy but there isn't much of a choice.

the uncomfortable truth being that there is no way to convince them and R voters (and americans in general) just want death

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

A real hellraiser


Koalas Massacre posted:

NPC is a dehumanizing alt right meme. So I'd be suspect of whoever is buying them tbh

I didn't buy this one but I am gonna run with it so I bought the name.

But I would prefer one in which it was at least wearing a flannel shirt and the title was something like TOOL MAN BAD

John Wick of Dogs fucked around with this message at 16:52 on Nov 7, 2018

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!!
May 31, 2006

Harik posted:

This is insanely short-sighted.

For one, it won't happen. For two, it assumes a view of rural states that's ahistoric.

The GOP is increasingly the party of the white suburbanite. Their policies gently caress agriculture, gently caress poor whites, gently caress women and kill them all off with pill addictions. Go after those "blood red" small states with senate candidates pitching policies that help those people directly. Pro-ag bill which is being shredded by the republicans, pro treatment, pro-women and talk directly to people in poverty. Look at the successes Eugene Debs had a century ago in areas that are completely written off by the national democrats.

those are absolutely things that need to be done, no question here

but as long as you say california, new york, illinois, texas, and florida having the same number of senators as montana, utah, idaho, nebraska, and oklahoma is cool by you, you're fundamentally not being serious about winning

eke out
Feb 24, 2013



AlBlaybleCharacter posted:

I didn't buy this one but I am gonna run with it so I bought the name

i feel like you may have stretched the joke to the point of your name being unrecognizable

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

Drone posted:

So can a Democratic House do anything meaningful to protect the Mueller investigation or is that something that only the Senate could do?

they can basically support whatever he does with subpoenas of their own which basically makes it hard to just fire him and make it go away

Z. Autobahn
Jul 20, 2004

colonel tigh more like colonel high

Oxxidation posted:

the uncomfortable truth being that there is no way to convince them and R voters (and americans in general) just want death

Yeah the bigger problem is that I think support there has way less to do with policy or self-interest and pure tribal identity. The Republicans could campaign on “we will kill your dog” and the dem on “we’ll grant your wishes” and the Republican would win.

mdemone
Mar 14, 2001

sexpig by night posted:

they can basically support whatever he does with subpoenas of their own which basically makes it hard to just fire him and make it go away

Also they can now unseal and send him transcripts from hearings that occurred last year with Don Jr. etc.

StealthArcher
Jan 10, 2010




If a chud's impotent rage over Orange Daddy's failings buys Lowtax more spine money, I say waste your money all day fucko.

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

A real hellraiser


eke out posted:

i feel like you may have stretched the joke to the point of your name being unrecognizable

Hmm...

Yes I suspect you are correct

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

eke out posted:

as much as this is a fantasy of #resistance twitter and i hate that, they're both farther left and more charismatic than almost all other candidates right now. either one would be an excellent veep for Sanders, given his reasonable chances of dying in office

yeah, this, i think they would be good VPs.


corn in the bible posted:

Worst case: Trump dies right before election; president pence with his calm, horse loving hands steers the ship to apocalypse

he has no charisma, its just the empty "gee sweel" evangelical poo poo and that doesn't fly outside certain red states.

eke out
Feb 24, 2013



mdemone posted:

Also they can now unseal and send him transcripts from hearings that occurred last year with Don Jr. etc.

yeah this is an underrated element, they can refer these to Mueller in particular for perjury charges which Schiff/Swalwell/etc have strongly hinted they want to do

Harik
Sep 9, 2001

From the hard streets of Moscow
First dog to touch the stars


Plaster Town Cop

AlBlaybleCharacter posted:

I didn't buy this one but I am gonna run with it so I bought the name
:golfclap:

It's pretty telling that ORANGE MAN BAD was not really an obvious alt-right plant. If it weren't a /pol/ meme it's something I could see carrying to a protest for the humor of it. Hell, even the NPC meme itself feels more like "we, the faceless and ignored" rather than "those people without souls". You have to be really online to know what it really means.

eke out
Feb 24, 2013



AlBlaybleCharacter posted:

Hmm...

Yes I suspect you are correct

haha i mean, you do you, it did take me a solid 5 seconds to figure out which poster this was when i saw the name

CmdrRiker
Apr 8, 2016

You dismally untalented little creep!

Crow Jane posted:

Lol if you haven't started every morning since 2015 with that prayer

Back when I was young and naive I was rooting for Trump to win the GOP nomination because I thought there was no way in hell anyone would actually vote for him on election day. I learned a lot since then.

Wistful of Dollars
Aug 25, 2009

Gimme that subpoena train. :unsmigghh:

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


eke out posted:

i feel like you may have stretched the joke to the point of your name being unrecognizable

Yeah, I had to think about it just a little too hard to be funny.

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

A real hellraiser


eke out posted:

haha i mean, you do you, it did take me a solid 5 seconds to figure out which poster this was when i saw the name

If I make appropriate adjustments to the av it will be recognizable. I'm already sunk cost on the name

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


trump is beyond shook.

Tibalt
May 14, 2017

What, drawn, and talk of peace! I hate the word, As I hate hell, all Montagues, and thee

Funny how The Bringer Of Derails survived and voted for Bart while Heidi lost.

The WV and ND race are very different situations and drawing some national strategy from it is pointless

Harik
Sep 9, 2001

From the hard streets of Moscow
First dog to touch the stars


Plaster Town Cop

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:

those are absolutely things that need to be done, no question here

but as long as you say california, new york, illinois, texas, and florida having the same number of senators as montana, utah, idaho, nebraska, and oklahoma is cool by you, you're fundamentally not being serious about winning

Well, no. You're not being serious about democracy, but there's no reason you can't leverage small states in the midwest the same as states like CT, RI. There's no fundamental reason that not living on the coast means you can never vote for progressive policies, it's just that those policies are verboten by the elite donor class so you can't run on them.

McCascall running away from minimum wage and getting slaughtered for it comes to mind. Clearly that was a progressive policy her state embraced wholeheartedly.

friendly 2 da void
Mar 23, 2018

It's weird how slanted the national narrative is against the Democrats. Here's an angle that I don't see enough of:

The Democrats won the House for the first time since 2010. The Tea Party is loving over.

Like forget Trump for a minute, the house has been a disaster since Obama. That's all changing now.

For the first time in nearly a decade, the House Science Committee will be lead by a person who actually believes in climate science. Somethings happening yall :getin:

friendly 2 da void fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Nov 7, 2018

Fritz Coldcockin
Nov 7, 2005

friendly 2 da void posted:

It's weird how slanted the national narrative is against the democrats. Here's an angle that I don't see enough of:

The democrats won the House for the first time since 2010. The Tea Party is loving over.

Like forget Trump for a minute, the house has been a disaster since Obama. That's all changing now.

For the first time in nearly a decade, the House Science Committee will be lead by a person who actually believes in climate science. Somethings happening yall :getin:

Yep. Bear in mind--health care lost the House for us in 2010 and was mostly responsible for getting it back in 2018.

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Bubbacub
Apr 17, 2001

Walker and Kobach losing is enough to make me smile :getin:

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