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Gentleman Baller posted:
Yeah but there is an alternative to cows. Disclaimer - not a vegetarian or vegan.
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Cattle farmers could probably just farm something else if there's enough profit in it. I don't know anything about farming though because I'm an urban dickhead. I have no skin in the game w/r/t pricing of meat, but I'm just saying generally, if you want to change the way people consume, its best to change the way that people produce
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Nov 8, 2018 01:46
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Hey a bloke I went to school with is in ABCs article on ScoMo's trip to Rockhampton saying how he'd be totally down with ScoMo if he could drink like Hawkie. Good to see the guy is as bogan as he was in Highschool.
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Nov 8, 2018 01:50
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imo what progressive politics needs more of is telling poor people they are bad and personally responsible for systemic problems
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Nov 8, 2018 01:54
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Mad Katter posted:Yeah but there is an alternative to cows. But that wouldn't be any different from a direct tax on consumers. If people are willing to pay the ridiculous prices they will, if the producer is willing to eat into their profits they will. That's all I meant. It's a dumb derail though, my bad. I did mean for the tax to be levied on the producers just the same as every targetted tax I've ever heard of.
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Nov 8, 2018 01:55
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Gentleman Baller posted:The carbon tax worked really well because there was a reasonable alternative for carbon polluting energy for a lot of industries. Swanny and his boys worked out the cost that would get passed on to consumers from industries where change wasn't really likely or possible (truckin' industry, for example) and gave a 'refund', plus a few bucks. It was good. It wasn't just the price, there's the stick of verifiable reporting of carbon emissions as part of the RET, something the last few governments have been tampering with quite a bit. Whenever you see a government telling themselves they've safeguarded jobs, that's code for "let industry off the hook".
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Nov 8, 2018 01:56
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https://twitter.com/studio10au/status/1059965840349483014?s=21 No punching on or even a handshake.
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Nov 8, 2018 01:59
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Solemn Sloth posted:imo what progressive politics needs more of is telling poor people they are bad and personally responsible for systemic problems As an inner-city elite leftist I agree.
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Nov 8, 2018 02:07
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The only good tax is a 100% wealth and income tax on all who earn money or own assets
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Nov 8, 2018 02:07
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TheMightyHandful posted:https://twitter.com/studio10au/status/1059965840349483014?s=21 Does that woman get paid to do this? What in the everloving gently caress. Just engage, save some face by saying "we said we couldn't make it, any confusion is obviously regrettable and I'll get in touch with your office to clear it up. Thanks Joe, you're doing a good job hopefully we can come on another time when the schedule is clear."
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Nov 8, 2018 02:10
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JBP posted:Does that woman get paid to do this? What in the everloving gently caress. Just engage, save some face by saying "we said we couldn't make it, any confusion is obviously regrettable and I'll get in touch with your office to clear it up. Thanks Joe, you're doing a good job hopefully we can come on another time when the schedule is clear." its commitment to the message at least...
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Nov 8, 2018 02:20
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Gentleman Baller posted:
You say that, but someone was breeding low emission cows and a New Zealand researcher was breeding low emission sheep. The kiwi lady was saying something like a third of their emissions are diet related, a third caused by gut bacteria and the final third by genetics. So, it's not impossible to have low-emission cows.
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Nov 8, 2018 02:26
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https://www.independent.co.uk/life-...y-a8378631.htmlquote:Researchers at the University of Oxford found that cutting meat and dairy products from your diet could reduce an individual's carbon footprint from food by up to 73 per cent. So unless you are willing to commit to vegetarianism please allow others to scoff at any commitment you express towards reducing global emissions. This is the single biggest thing you as an individual can probably do. All the other benefits (reduced area required for agriculture means less forest removal etc.) are a happy by product. You can not eat meat and claim to be environmentally aware. The two positions are completely incompatible.
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Nov 8, 2018 02:31
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Cartoon posted:https://www.independent.co.uk/life-...y-a8378631.html
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Nov 8, 2018 02:35
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Cartoon posted:https://www.independent.co.uk/life-...y-a8378631.html So make the companies change. Asking every individual on earth, most of whom can't even acclimatise to a new bed time or exercise regime, to change their individual behaviour is loving stupid.
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Nov 8, 2018 02:36
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People are voting for populist leaders that are promising to preserve their lifestyles anyway so who cares. Maybe one of our future fascist dictators will unilaterally ban meat and fix it once we take away individual choice and rights. E: good idea for an alt future book. Hitler won and prevented climate change by enforcing vegetarianism. JBP fucked around with this message at 02:44 on Nov 8, 2018 |
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Nov 8, 2018 02:39
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Cartoon posted:https://www.independent.co.uk/life-...y-a8378631.html agree
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Nov 8, 2018 02:46
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Screeches at people to stop eating meat why won’t anyone vote for me
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Nov 8, 2018 02:59
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We eat meat in pretty much every non-breakfast meal and it's not expensive so idk if they want to raise the price to help fund environmental causes and/or encourage better farming practices that's perfectly fine with me. I recognise we are substantially better off than a lot of people in Australia so are able to cope easily with that sort of price hike. If it went up high enough I guess we might limit our consumption but at the level it would probably have had to go up to there'd probably be plenty of bodies in the street from the rioting to make up the shortfall.
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Nov 8, 2018 03:06
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Cartoon posted:https://www.independent.co.uk/life-...y-a8378631.html JBP posted:As an inner-city elite leftist I agree.
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Nov 8, 2018 03:06
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Nov 8, 2018 03:20
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Luke Foley is gonna get owned.
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Nov 8, 2018 03:20
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Where is the Toyota?
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Nov 8, 2018 03:21
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Anidav posted:Luke Foley is gonna get owned. http://about.abc.net.au/statements/statement-8-november-2018/
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Nov 8, 2018 03:21
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I hope that Jihad Dib guy becomes NSW ALP leader so NSW gets a Muslim premier called Jihad
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Nov 8, 2018 03:22
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He apologised again and told me, “I’m not a philanderer, I’m not a groper, I’m just a drunk idiot”. He said he would be resigning as the leader of the New South Wales Labor Party on either the next day (Monday, 5 November) or Wednesday (7 November). He said he couldn’t resign on the Tuesday because it was Melbourne Cup Day and he didn’t want to be accused of burying the story. On Tuesday (6 November) Mr Foley called me again. He repeated his apology and told me he owed me “a lot of contrition”. He informed me he’d received legal advice not to resign as Opposition Leader. He indicated he intended to follow that advice. NSW bad.
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Nov 8, 2018 03:26
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gently caress Luke Foley. What a prick.
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Nov 8, 2018 03:27
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JBP posted:So make the companies change. Asking every individual on earth, most of whom can't even acclimatise to a new bed time or exercise regime, to change their individual behaviour is loving stupid. Perhaps companies that profit from environmentally damaging agriculture could be made to change by forcing them to pay penalties for not doing so, some sort of 'tax' on 'meat', if you will
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Nov 8, 2018 03:29
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Ashleigh Raper
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Nov 8, 2018 03:30
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Cartoon posted:https://www.independent.co.uk/life-...y-a8378631.html actually that's dumb as hell, something like 100 companies produce three quarters of all carbon emissions and trying to enforce individual vegetarianism instead of reining those companies in is pretty much doing capital's work for it.
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Nov 8, 2018 03:31
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Imagine being politically assassinated by Eric Abetz
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quote:He informed me he’d received legal advice not to resign as Opposition Leader.
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Nov 8, 2018 03:34
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 Also just give up red meat. Imma eat all that chicken and fish.
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Nov 8, 2018 03:38
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quote:A Victorian state school employee is being investigated after he brought firearms into class, baked a cake with a swastika on it and let a student dress up in his Nazi hat. https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/uproar-after-nazi-hats-gas-canisters-and-swastika-cake-used-in-class-20181107-p50emr.html  This person seems very normal.
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Synthbuttrange posted:
That is basically how I formulated my 1 red meat (if any, usually at a restaurant) / 3 chicken and fish / veges the rest lifestyle and it is a good, wholesome lifestyle. Last night I ate stuffed whole eggplant with spicy tomato and lentils, topped with feta and a fennel salad. My body is a temple and I am the temple's God. JBP fucked around with this message at 03:52 on Nov 8, 2018 |
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Nov 8, 2018 03:41
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Today class, I am going to play as Hitler in Hearts of Iron 4. Watch carefully as I encircle Russian troops in a tank division commanded by Rommel aka *sheds single tear* The desert fox.
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Nov 8, 2018 03:42
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Anidav posted:Imagine being politically assassinated by Eric Abetz
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Nov 8, 2018 03:43
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Anidav posted:Today class, I am going to play as Hitler in Hearts of Iron 4. Rommel never fought on the Eastern Front dumbass.
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Nov 8, 2018 03:47
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:Rommel never fought on the Eastern Front dumbass. Not with that attitude
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Anidav posted:Imagine being politically assassinated by Eric Abetz A lot of people have been politically murdered by the abetzs
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